40 to 60 teens swarm BART train...violently rob anyone on board

FelixDeCat

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Robberies have been on the rise on BART trains, but now teens are organizing and growing brazen as it appears they face little to no resistance from passengers or lax law enforcement more concerned with political correctness than catching criminals. Contrary to the written story, security logs indicate this is third recent takeover robbery, that only now BART cares to publicize.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...rain-rob-weekend-riders/ar-BBAh7u1?li=BBnb7Kz

According to a police officials, witnesses said 40 to 60 juveniles flooded the station, jumped the fare gates and rushed to the second-story train platform. Some of the robbers apparently held open the doors of a Dublin-bound train car while others streamed inside, confronting and robbing and in some cases beating riders.

The juveniles “committed multiple strong-arm robberies of bags and cell phones,” said a police summary prepared after the incident. “At least two victims suffered head/facial injuries requiring medical attention.”
 
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mindless1

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Wow. Is it illegal to post the images/video in CA for public awareness and I.D. purposes because they're potentially minors, or is BART just saying a big FU to its passengers by not doing what is most expedient to catch the perps ?
 

pcgeek11

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Wow. Is it illegal to post the images/video in CA for public awareness and I.D. purposes because they're potentially minors, or is BART just saying a big FU to its passengers by not doing what is most expedient to catch the perps ?

They are affording them "sanctuary status" I guess...
 
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FelixDeCat

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Wow. Is it illegal to post the images/video in CA for public awareness and I.D. purposes because they're potentially minors, or is BART just saying a big FU to its passengers by not doing what is most expedient to catch the perps ?

Keeping the public aware of who to look out for should be the mandated duty of all public officials until the perpetrators are caught and dealt with.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Rules for identifying minors publicly have been around as long as I have.

The article states their working with Police and the Oakland Housing Authority to ID perpetrators the way it's allowed.

BART also needs to get that surveillance system leveled up, that's gotta hurt.

Hope authorities bag every last one of the assholes.

In terms of being able to ID someone who's about to rob you, in this case just look for the out of place swarm of 50 people piling into the station at 9:30pm....but it's not like it will help you.
 
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1prophet

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If the police don't stop them a Bernhard Goetz type will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting

"
Bernhard Goetz shot four alleged muggers[1][2][3][4] on a New York City Subway train in Manhattan on December 22, 1984. He fired five shots, seriously wounding all four men.

Goetz surrendered to police nine days after the shooting and was eventually charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses. A jury found him not guilty of all charges except for one count of carrying an unlicensed firearm, for which he served eight months of a one-year sentence. In 1996, one of the shot men, who had been left paraplegic and brain damaged as a result of his injuries, obtained a civil judgment of $43 million against Goetz.[5]

The incident sparked a nationwide debate on race and crime in major cities, the legal limits of self-defense, and the extent to which the citizenry could rely on the police to secure their safety.[3] Goetz, dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by New York City's press, came to symbolize New Yorkers' frustrations with the high crime rates of the 1980s. He was both praised and vilified in the media and public opinion. The incident has also been cited as a contributing factor to the groundswell movement against urban crime and disorder,[6] and the successful National Rifle Association campaigns to loosen restrictions on the concealed carrying of firearms.[7]"
 

HomerJS

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Rules for identifying minors publicly have been around as long as I have.

The article states their working with Police and the Oakland Housing Authority to ID perpetrators the way it's allowed.

BART also needs to get that surveillance system leveled up, that's gotta hurt.

Hope authorities bag every last one of the assholes.

In terms of being able to ID someone who's about to rob you, in this case just look for the out of place swarm of 50 people piling into the station at 9:30pm....but it's not like it will help you.
True. Not identifying minors has been the standard in most places for years. Certain people trying to stir the pot over exaggerated claim.
 

luv2liv

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If the police don't stop them a Bernhard Goetz type will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting

"
Bernhard Goetz shot four alleged muggers[1][2][3][4] on a New York City Subway train in Manhattan on December 22, 1984. He fired five shots, seriously wounding all four men.

Goetz surrendered to police nine days after the shooting and was eventually charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless endangerment, and several firearms offenses. A jury found him not guilty of all charges except for one count of carrying an unlicensed firearm, for which he served eight months of a one-year sentence. In 1996, one of the shot men, who had been left paraplegic and brain damaged as a result of his injuries, obtained a civil judgment of $43 million against Goetz.[5]

The incident sparked a nationwide debate on race and crime in major cities, the legal limits of self-defense, and the extent to which the citizenry could rely on the police to secure their safety.[3] Goetz, dubbed the "Subway Vigilante" by New York City's press, came to symbolize New Yorkers' frustrations with the high crime rates of the 1980s. He was both praised and vilified in the media and public opinion. The incident has also been cited as a contributing factor to the groundswell movement against urban crime and disorder,[6] and the successful National Rifle Association campaigns to loosen restrictions on the concealed carrying of firearms.[7]"

what good is a gun if you cant use it.
sad.
 
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momeNt

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For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
 

Pantoot

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For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.

These kids weren't politely old timey train robbery style robbing people.
People were beaten, these kids were cranked up on adrenaline.
I am no armchair chuck norris, but being complicit and feeling bad for the long term prospects of these kids doesn't sit well with me.
 
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dphantom

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For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
lol
 

[DHT]Osiris

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For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
I go back and forth on this topic, but to play the devil's advocate, these may just be 'objects' but they're my objects, and frankly I'm far more likely to care about those 'things' than the person or persons who are stealing them.

Frankly, I don't know what I'd do if the situation arose where I was able to choose between their life or my property, and I don't know what the answer is. But I don't think I'd be quick to vilify someone who thought either way since it's a pretty complex issue.

EDIT: Also as others have said, violence was involved. As soon as the safety of me and mine are involved, your life is forfeit.
 
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dphantom

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I go back and forth on this topic, but to play the devil's advocate, these may just be 'objects' but they're my objects, and frankly I'm far more likely to care about those 'things' than the person or persons who are stealing them.

Frankly, I don't know what I'd do if the situation arose where I was able to choose between their life or my property, and I don't know what the answer is. But I don't think I'd be quick to vilify someone who thought either way since it's a pretty complex issue.

EDIT: Also as others have said, violence was involved. As soon as the safety of me and mine are involved, your life is forfeit.
That was the factor for me. I too am unsure how I would react, but if my children and/or wife are at risk, then that person has forfeited any right to life.
 

Blackjack200

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They're gonna clean up your looks
With all the lies in the books
To make a citizen out of you
Because they sleep with a gun
And keep an eye on you, son
So they can watch all the things you do
Because the drugs never work
They're gonna give you a smirk
'Cause they got methods of keepin' you clean
They gonna rip up your heads
Your aspirations to shreds
Another cog in the murder machine

They said all
Teenagers scare
The living shit out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they'll leave you alone
But not me

The boys and girls in the clique
The awful names that they stick
You're never gonna fit in much, kid
But if you're troubled and hurt
What you got under your shirt
Will make them pay for the things that they did

They said all
Teenagers scare
The living shit out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they'll leave you alone
But not me
 

Nashemon

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For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
Teenagers. Not children. Don't strawman this.

Children are small people who can't hurt you. You can literally hold them by the head and they can't even reach you with their swinging arms or legs. Many teenagers resemble their fully grown adult self by the time they are 15 years old. There's no time to stop them mid attack and ask them for ID so you can verify their age before you defend yourself.
 
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momeNt

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Teenagers. Not children. Don't strawman this.

Children are small people who can't hurt you. You can literally hold them by the head and they can't even reach you with their swinging arms or legs. Many teenagers resemble their fully grown adult self by the time they are 15 years old. There's no time to stop them mid attack and ask them for ID so you can verify their age before you defend yourself.

Well, if any of them are killed, I'll still post their kindergarten graduation photo to massively misrepresent the issue here.
 

Zaap

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So they have money for cameras NOW all of a sudden after its reported most are decoys...

but when they wasted money on the decoys they couldn't pony up for real cameras? (Knowing how govts work- ESPECIALLY one in an area full of tax-n-spend loonbags- you just KNOW the decoy cameras probably cost close to as much as the real thing).

LOL, such a clusterfuck all the way around.
 
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