It's the media's job to expose stuff like this. Not to be a 'public service' and legitimize this behavior.
WHY would the Chronicle report that?
"Hey criminals, the cameras are just decoys! Have at it, we love having these incidents to report!"
Such a public service.
The public service part would be not letting criminals know that the trains are easy pickings.It's the media's job to expose stuff like this. Not to be a 'public service' and legitimize this behavior.
The public service part would be not letting criminals know that the trains are easy pickings.
Anyway, there's a LOT of blame for this to go around- it's just the natural outcome of cowardice, P.C. bullshit, an extreme naive (and frankly stupid) worldview that seeks to coddle and excuse rotten, unacceptable, uncivilized behavior under the misguided notion of being 'tolerant' and other dumb buzzwords. Eventually, those that realize that a bunch of supremely dumb pushovers are in charge, they will get away with whatever they can get away with.
You're right, the paper isn't at fault. It's the entire permissive "Oh you poor dear" culture that creates shit like this.
Well as I said, I re-thought my blaming of the paper for anything. There's PLENTY of stupidity to go around to blame a problem like this on than reporting on dummy security cameras. And by the way, it's not just the train incident. Imagine- the same people who pulled this off (and MANY others who are like-minded) walk the streets there freely everyday. Such people have a mindset that manifests itself in pure shit for the honest, hard-working people of their areas and beyond, each and ever day.Odds are very good the criminals who would make 'use' of this train either a) already know the cameras are duds, or b) don't give two shits. The 'public service' they're doing is informing the people that there's a very false sense of security going on, and that BART has been more concerned with the facade of security than actually protecting people.
I don't strictly disagree with you regarding the rest of this though. This group is a symptom of some greater problem, though the realization and correction of that is well above my pay grade.
But the real solutions are TOUGH (they can only come from within, from individuals, families, neighborhoods and cultures) and yet all that will be done there for 'solutions' is just more of the same.
Damned well said.I go back and forth on this topic, but to play the devil's advocate, these may just be 'objects' but they're my objects, and frankly I'm far more likely to care about those 'things' than the person or persons who are stealing them.
Frankly, I don't know what I'd do if the situation arose where I was able to choose between their life or my property, and I don't know what the answer is. But I don't think I'd be quick to vilify someone who thought either way since it's a pretty complex issue.
EDIT: Also as others have said, violence was involved. As soon as the safety of me and mine are involved, your life is forfeit.
It's even easier to recover one's things if the perp taking them is shot. Plus, then we don't have to wait for "one day" - shoot a couple and the rest immediately regret their actions. I call it moral efficiency.For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
You want to set them straight? Let them see consequences while they're still young. People keep doing the rewarding things they get away with until something makes them stop/reconsider (generally once they see an increased risk of consequences). They don't just wake up one day and realize "I'm an adult now so I can't keep doing these crazy things I did as a kid."For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.
Is this thuggish activity? I never know anymore without hurting someones feels.
Unless they become one of the over 2 million we have incarcerated here in the U.S.Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions.
I can just imagine the field day the liberal media would have with enough police or security people roaming BART stations to preempt another seek and destroy mission like this one. How many would it take to deal with 40 to 60 teenagers hell bent on this kind of mayhem? How many to deter it?Sounds like a case for police surveillance in the area, if existing security isn't good enough to catch them next time.
Yes, it's thuggish activity.Is this thuggish activity? I never know anymore without hurting someones feels.
is your big struggle here really just your choice of words?
the human need to label everything really is quite silly.
I hope you realize we wouldnt have much of a language if we didnt label or describe things. But you probably dont, but now you do, so no more excuses going forwards. I mean how would you ever describe what happened in this news article if we didnt describe things. "So some stuff happened today here"?
Unless they become one of the over 2 million we have incarcerated here in the U.S.
I can just imagine the field day the liberal media would have with enough police or security people roaming BART stations to preempt another seek and destroy mission like this one. How many would it take to deal with 40 to 60 teenagers hell bent on this kind of mayhem? How many to deter it?
No, if these delinquents want to do this again, they're going to have carte blanche to do it. The po-po, and cameras aren't going to matter one iota. California creates and often nurtures many of the problems it experiences. I don't shed any tears over these issues.
LOL! You're such an elitist jackass that you parody yourself with nearly every post.Of course, liberals would also require that law enforcement obey the law as well and not, for example, shoot unarmed and handcuffed suspects in the back just for jollies. And that's the part that you really object to, isn't it?
What does Vic's post have to do with your issue with "labeling" things?read Vic's post, no reason for me to repeat it.
So you got nothing then? I'm interested by how it's elitist for me to call you out on your seemingly endless bullshit, but never elitist for you to pretend to believe in small government with one breath and then with the next breath celebrate the extrajudicial execution by the government of a person that you deem as beneath you.LOL! You're such an elitist jackass that you parody yourself with nearly every post.
I don't know how many uniformed officers BART has, but I doubt it's nearly enough to be a deterrent to this problem. Also let's say they do 4-man patrols for 8 weeks (at substantial costs) and nothing happens. You can be sure those patrols would end, and then the criminal gangs would be back in business.Clearly BART needs to step up their security but PC not found. Laws like this protecting minors are neither new nor unique to California.
Arguments like the OP's imply that liberals intentionally support crime, which is simply nonsense. In addition, he acts like there's an obvious solution to the problem when he actually didn't present one.
In the end, it seems like you're angry at the problems in this country, but at you're not willing to be honest and act in good faith towards any solutions, and instead just resort to partisan bickering and namecalling. Not likely to be effective.
I don't know how many uniformed officers BART has, but I doubt it's nearly enough to be a deterrent to this problem. Also let's say they do 4-man patrols for 8 weeks (at substantial costs) and nothing happens. You can be sure those patrols would end, and then the criminal gangs would be back in business.
Even if you include local LE agencies, and that there are probably under 10 BART stations that would need a presence, I'm sure the additional costs are astronomical. California costs of living.
For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.