40 to 60 teens swarm BART train...violently rob anyone on board

[Zaap]

I don't know how many uniformed officers BART has, but I doubt it's nearly enough to be a deterrent to this problem. Also let's say they do 4-man patrols for 8 weeks (at substantial costs) and nothing happens. You can be sure those patrols would end, and then the criminal gangs would be back in business.

Even if you include local LE agencies, and that there are probably under 10 BART stations that would need a presence, I'm sure the additional costs are astronomical. California costs of living.

I'm sure lack of security may be part of the problem, but does anyone really believe that *every* mass transist system around the country would have this same problem, were it not for constant swarms of uniformed officers?

Or that it's even common?

I somehow doubt this is the case.

I'd wager then the real problem and solutions don't have to do with transist systems becoming police-state run. I'd bet there are deeper issues involved- exactly the sort that P.C. numbskulls cultivate and then run away from when things like this manifest.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think just a moment was being facetious.

 

[Ichinisan]

For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced.

How do you know exactly how "easy" it would be? Those "children" don't give 2 shits if they're ruining the lives of their victims.

If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future.

"Children" that do this don't deserve to be our future.

Jesus fucking Christ. This attitude is EXACTLY WHY they think they can get away with this shit. Repercussions are few-to-none and you are complicit.

 

[Jaskalas]

I can just imagine the field day the liberal media would have with enough police or security people roaming BART stations to preempt another seek and destroy mission like this one. How many would it take to deal with 40 to 60 teenagers hell bent on this kind of mayhem? How many to deter it?

Well... obviously if there's a situation in progress you send the full "force".
But what I meant was literally "surveillance". Get them on photo ID and nail them later.
If the location does not have proper cameras, set up semi mobile ones that work. Don't need officers camped there 24/7.

 

[brandonbull]

Where's Antifa when you need them?

Too busy protesting "racists" and "fascists".

 

[agent00f]

Without reading this thread it's entirely possible to predict the usual degenerates are advocating for capital punishment even with those not considered adults under the law. Pretty easy prediction given it's the same people always for the most historically backwards ideals permissible.

 

[Ichinisan]

Without reading this thread it's entirely possible to predict the usual degenerates are advocating for capital punishment even with those not considered adults under the law. Pretty easy prediction given it's the same people always for the most historically backwards ideals permissible.

There you go. Encouraging this behavior by condemning any significant or appropriate consequences that might deter it.

 

[agent00f]

There you go. Encouraging this behavior by condemning any significant or appropriate consequences that might deter it.

Not coincidentally that's how your predecessors argued for their backwardness.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Every one of them deserved a bullet to the head.

Without reading this thread it's entirely possible to predict the usual degenerates are advocating for capital punishment even with those not considered adults under the law. Pretty easy prediction given it's the same people always for the most historically backwards ideals permissible.

And there's another leftist that can't distinguish capital punishment and self-defense.

 

[Ichinisan]

Not coincidentally that's how your predecessors argued for their backwardness.

This is how you argue for violent criminals.

 

[agent00f]

Every one of them deserved a bullet to the head.



And there's another leftist that can't distinguish capital punishment and self-defense.

This is how you argue for violent criminals.

The modern western liberal reasons why capital punishment & such were phrased out along with distinguishing between kids and adults are well documented matters in history, which I would encourage reading if you're ever interested in getting on the right side of.

 

[CZroe]

The modern western liberal reasons why capital punishment & such were phrased out along with distinguishing between kids and adults are well documented matters in history, which I would encourage reading if you're ever interested in getting on the right side of.

Darn! My attacker is too young. Guess I gotta roll over and take it. Can't defend myself or my property! Come and get it, boys, and rough me up REAL good while you're at it.

Distinguishing between kids and adults for prosecution has nothing to do with when self defense is warranted. If these kids knew that their lives were, in turn, endangered by their victims defending themselves, they'd be less likely to do it. Your ridiculous position emboldens them to specifically do it where they otherwise wouldn't. Good job!

Also, NEWSFLASH: most of them would be tried as adults. Stop trying to move the line ever further from accountability.

 

[OutHouse]

it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen,

fail,

citizens not using public transportation out of fear of these hooligans should be a huge issue.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The modern western liberal reasons why capital punishment & such were phrased out along with distinguishing between kids and adults are well documented matters in history, which I would encourage reading if you're ever interested in getting on the right side of.

How does this relate to capital punishment?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The "it's only items" argument is such bullshit anyways. If a person has $500 of assorted cash and electronics on them, that could easily be an entire week's worth of work, dozens of hours stolen forever from a person's life. Until we bring back labor camps and force these pieces of excrement to toil long and hard to pay back every second lost and then some, a bullet is all they deserve. They are a net loss on society, and will likely stay a net loss on society for the rest of their lives.

 

[alcoholbob]

Car pools and rideshare pools will be getting a boost from this news, lol.

 

[FelixDeCat]

The "it's only items" argument is such bullshit anyways. If a person has $500 of assorted cash and electronics on them, that could easily be an entire week's worth of work, dozens of hours stolen forever from a person's life. Until we bring back labor camps and force these pieces of excrement to toil long and hard to pay back every second lost and then some, a bullet is all they deserve. They are a net loss on society, and will likely stay a net loss on society for the rest of their lives.

Sadly, there are lots of people who dont even have $500 in total assets. Imagine losing your life savings to these thieving hooligans and all you get is apathy from public officials for your troubles. Thats what you call bullshit!

Car pools and rideshare pools will be getting a boost from this news, lol.

At least on the weekends! In fact, BART should just close during the usual crime spree hours.

 

[BoomerD]

The use of capital punishment should be expanded to include things like burglary, armed robbery, car theft, car jacking,forcible rape, and just bothering me.

Kill them all...let whatever gods there are sort it out.

 

[manly]

Hard to tell who are the "savages" in this thread: the criminal gangsters or those who advocate public murders in the name of self-defense. I wouldn't defend the former under any circumstances but the latter position is equally indefensible if not even more morally bankrupt.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Sadly, there are lots of people who dont even have $500 in total assets. Imagine losing your life savings to these thieving hooligans and all you get is apathy from public officials for your troubles. Thats what you call bullshit!

Yep, shit like this keeps poor people poor. My mom apparently made just enough money as a waitress to pay for living expenses and my dad's tuition for an EE degree, and when they had their cheap POS motorcycle stolen from their apartment's parking lot one night, it was pretty bad. They still had enough saved to afford the cheapest beater at the used car dealer, and worst case scenario they'd have to swallow their pride and ask their parents for bailout, but for the millions that don't have that option and work dead-end jobs for a career, robbery like this could ruin a person.

Hard to tell who are the "savages" in this thread: the criminal gangsters or those who advocate public murders in the name of self-defense. I wouldn't defend the former under any circumstances but the latter position is equally indefensible if not even more morally bankrupt.

Self-defense is not murder in any part of the world that is decent. If I were to put a knife to your throat with a threat to your face, you would not be murdering me if you killed me.

 

[manly]

Self-defense is not murder in any part of the world that is decent. If I were to put a knife to your throat with a threat to your face, you would not be murdering me if you killed me.

Good catch, I meant to use the word homicide. My point stands if you substitute my intended word choice.

I didn't read the original article until now, but AFAIK we're not talking about being assaulted with a weapon.
Two people were punched, so there's that.
Talk about a part of the world that's decent? The US is not worse than Duterte's Phillipines last I checked. We don't cap thieves just cause they steal iPhones by force.

Not to mention what we truly need are commuters firing off their guns in crowded train cars?

 

[pcgeek11]

True. Not identifying minors has been the standard in most places for years. Certain people trying to stir the pot over exaggerated claim.

If they aren't identified, how do they know they are minors?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Good catch, I meant to use the word homicide. My point stands if you substitute my intended word choice.

I didn't read the original article until now, but AFAIK we're not talking about being assaulted with a weapon.
Two people were punched, so there's that.
Talk about a part of the world that's decent? The US is not worse than Duterte's Phillipines last I checked. We don't cap thieves just cause they steal iPhones by force.

Not to mention what we truly need are commuters firing off their guns in crowded train cars?

A punch can be deadly. If you're as manly as your handle implies, surely you realize that. Robbers are not thieves, they are not just purse-snatchers, it's a group of violent criminals using force, numbers, and threat of worse attacking another group of people for a prolonged duration. In a real world scenario, you don't even need to chase down the perps and kill every last one. Just shoot the nearest one, and turn ready to shoot the next, and they will scurry back into the shadows where they belong.

 

[pcgeek11]

For those advocating the murder of these children. Realize that it is only money and personal belongings that are being stolen, both of which are easily replaced. If children were to be shot and killed while they are discovering themselves and working through the adolescent stages of their life, then we as a society lose much more than money and personal belongings. We lose our future. Don't arm yourself on the train and turn yourself into a robber of youth. Just be complicit and realize that these are children and that one day they will grow up and regret their actions. Stay safe friends.

I'm not for shooting anyone, but that is a load of tripe.

 

[Vic]

The use of capital punishment should be expanded to include things like burglary, armed robbery, car theft, car jacking,forcible rape, and just bothering me.

Kill them all...let whatever gods there are sort it out.

Spoken like a true grumpy old man. Next, you'll be trying to convince me that things like this never happened when you were younger.