400k and still be broke?

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Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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There are 3 houses in my neighborhood that have been or are on rent and every one of them has a rent payment much higher than you could get any of those homes for (including mortgage, property tax, insurance, maintenance, etc). The people living in them either can't get financing or need a short term place to stay (one man makes good money but is in the middle of a divorce for example).

I own a few single family homes and none of my rent is less than the mortgage which includes insurance and property taxes. All of the rents run about 20-30% above the cost. If I cant cash flow the property I sell it. I'll be honest and say how surprising the demand is for these places. Put a house on craigslist and within hours I have showings and can usually get somebody passing a background check and have a signed lease within a week.
 

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
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I own a few single family homes and none of my rent is less than the mortgage which includes insurance and property taxes. All of the rents run about 20-30% above the cost. If I cant cash flow the property I sell it. I'll be honest and say how surprising the demand is for these places. Put a house on craigslist and within hours I have showings and can usually get somebody passing a background check and have a signed lease within a week.

Yeah, my mortgage/insurance/PMI/tax is $795/mo. I am renting a room to a couple now, and they said they house they were looking at renting before they went with me was $1550/mo plus utilities. So...not finding a house for under 800 out here.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Cars are probably the worst example of short term thinking. Go buy a 60K car that is worth 20K in 5 year. There are much better ways to spend 40K than to drive it into the ground.

Who gives a flying squirrel what a car is worth if you don't plan on selling it? Could it be that people buy cars to enjoy them?

If it's a lease, they didn't spend $60k. Renting a car still allows someone to enjoy it.

You money people are absurd.
 
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AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
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what fucking idiotic article.

$25k a year on house maintenance?

$15k on utilities?

$30k a year on food for 4?

$9k a year on auto insurance? wtf are they driving and how bad a driver are they?

DUIs and personal chef? lol
 

seepy83

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Nov 12, 2003
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Seems as though a lot of people missed that the $25k/year in maintenance is on $1.2 Million home. I don't think that's really outlandish. It's about 2% of the value of the real estate. If you compare it to a $250k home that would be about $5k per year. Obviously, estimating the annual maintenance for a home is more complex than just taking a percentage of the cost/value of the property, but the simple point I'm making is that more expensive properties come with more expensive maintenance. The year that you need to put a new roof on a $1.2 Million home, you'll be spending WAY more than $25k for it.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Who gives a flying squirrel what a car is worth if you don't plan on selling it? Could it be that people buy cars to enjoy them?

If it's a lease, they didn't spend $60k. Renting a car still allows someone to enjoy it.

You money people are absurd.

The implication is that the majority of people driving $60k cars would be much better served by buying $20k cars and spending $40k on other stuff...some of which could be quite fun indeed.

And do you really think that MOST people buying expensive cars are doing so because they are motorheads, vs. as a status symbol?
 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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The implication is that the majority of people driving $60k cars would be much better served by buying $20k cars and spending $40k on other stuff...some of which could be quite fun indeed.

And do you really think that MOST people buying expensive cars are doing so because they are motorheads, vs. as a status symbol?

and that is still irrelevant to what rh71 was talking about.

the majority of anyone spending any money on anything fun would be better served by investing the money in something else to make money in the long run. that isn't always everyones goal, people like to enjoy their money on fun stuff. and many people can do both. that person spending $60k on a car may have $40k they are spending on other stuff already, you have no clue.

i would much rather have fun in my youth and have like 6 million when i retire than have no fun in my youth worrying about penny pinching while busting my ass at work but have 10 million when i retire.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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And do you really think that MOST people buying expensive cars are doing so because they are motorheads, vs. as a status symbol?

They're leasing or maybe even bought CPO. And we don't know, do we? Besides, you don't have to be a motorhead to enjoy a car. Christ.

I swear, people who don't care about cars care more about others' cars.
 
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Feb 25, 2011
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I swear, people who don't care about cars care more about others' cars.

It's like the "I don't have a TV" people.

Personally, I'm going to be in the market for a grown-up-toy car in a year or so. Probably not $60k worth though. More like $6k, but that should be enough for something fun I can insure in the summer.
 

Strk

Lifer
Nov 23, 2003
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They're leasing or maybe even bought CPO. And we don't know, do we? Besides, you don't have to be a motorhead to enjoy a car. Christ.

I swear, people who don't care about cars care more about others' cars.

Yeah, but even if they were leasing, that's still less than the 60k that the article is quoting. A $60k car would be under $1k a month. And for people who were that disposable with their cars, my guess is leasing.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I see little old ladies in SL55 AMG's around here. I am willing to be it's not motorheads at all, but entirely status.
 

monkeydelmagico

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Nov 16, 2011
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400k per year would be considered poverty stricken by some people's standards. It's all about perspective.

Me personally I'd feel like a damn king. Would probably only have to work a few years before I had enough of a pile to call it quits forever.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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400k per year would be considered poverty stricken by some people's standards. It's all about perspective.

Me personally I'd feel like a damn king. Would probably only have to work a few years before I had enough of a pile to call it quits forever.

QFT, assuming my fiancee keeps a $40k ish type job, I'd just bank $250k a year and life a nice life at $200k. Retire at 55 with about $4-5 million in the bank at least.
 

Anubis

No Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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Seems as though a lot of people missed that the $25k/year in maintenance is on $1.2 Million home. I don't think that's really outlandish. It's about 2% of the value of the real estate. If you compare it to a $250k home that would be about $5k per year. Obviously, estimating the annual maintenance for a home is more complex than just taking a percentage of the cost/value of the property, but the simple point I'm making is that more expensive properties come with more expensive maintenance. The year that you need to put a new roof on a $1.2 Million home, you'll be spending WAY more than $25k for it.

I think the reaction is because "maintenance" is poorly defined

if they are included paying someone to clean it and others to take care of yard work its more believable. but if not im not seeing it.

If everything is in working order you should not have to do 25k worth or work every year

sure things break, appliances, and such but not 25k of them per year.

that's all most people are saying
 

Rakehellion

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Jan 15, 2013
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I think the story is supposed to be a lesson to everyone who thinks "If I just made a little more money, everything would be okay."

Money doesn't solve financial problems. Your spending does.

It doesn't matter if you're making 400k a year or 4k, there' someone who's making less than you and doing just fine.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I think the reaction is because "maintenance" is poorly defined

if they are included paying someone to clean it and others to take care of yard work its more believable. but if not im not seeing it.

If everything is in working order you should not have to do 25k worth or work every year

sure things break, appliances, and such but not 25k of them per year.

that's all most people are saying

Because most people have no clue.

Maintenance costs become an average. Some years you may get lucky and spend next to nothing, then one year you have a pipe burst, a/c failure, or the true maintenance things like fencing and roofs that just run out of usable life.

On a 1.2 Million dollar home a roof can run $100k or more easily and fencing can be brain damage.

And in lawn care and the factor that most 1.2 million dollar homes have high maintenance landscaping, one could be paying $500 a month just for that.
 

zephyrprime

Diamond Member
Feb 18, 2001
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They should refi their house. They must have a very high rate to be paying as much mortgage as they do because I did on online calculator and it showed a yearly mortgage bill of only $73370.16.

This whole thing is bs because all the costs they list a very high. 1250$ per month in utilities? Ridiculous. A 1.2M$ house is not that big and doesn't costs nearly that much to heat. Property tax rates are unusually high at 2%.
 
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xeemzor

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Mar 27, 2005
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400k per year would be considered poverty stricken by some people's standards. It's all about perspective.

Me personally I'd feel like a damn king. Would probably only have to work a few years before I had enough of a pile to call it quits forever.

If they do then they are way out of touch with reality. That's in the .02% income bracket.
 

seepy83

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Nov 12, 2003
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Because most people have no clue.

Maintenance costs become an average. Some years you may get lucky and spend next to nothing, then one year you have a pipe burst, a/c failure, or the true maintenance things like fencing and roofs that just run out of usable life.

On a 1.2 Million dollar home a roof can run $100k or more easily and fencing can be brain damage.

And in lawn care and the factor that most 1.2 million dollar homes have high maintenance landscaping, one could be paying $500 a month just for that.

Exactly. $25k/year maintenance costs on a $1.2million home seems perfectly reasonable to me.
 
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