4070 reviews thread

[Saylick]

I can't help feeling of the unobtrusive "thinking (or speaking) like a shareholder" in some posts.

Who care a damn thing what they gonna shift/allocate and what profit/margins or whatever the hell else it impact. I suspect the only things matters in the end for the majority of people here is the product value in a retail.
And outside of the US 4070's value is really poor, and closer to $700.

Lol, I think that statement of "think of the shareholders" was made in jest, but I suppose your comment could be in reference to my comments as well.

We're just trying to find a logical reason to explain why these companies do what they do. We're not trying to defend or justify their actions. To use an analogy, if someone tries to pet a lion and they get bit, I'd say, "What did you expect? It's a freakin' lion." I'm not saying what the lion did was right or wrong, just that lions will do what lions naturally do.

And if people don't like it that lions may bite, perhaps don't try to pet it. If people aren't happy that the 4070 sucks, then don't buy it.

 

[blckgrffn]

Exactly @Saylick

It was in jest but not completely.

Just as this is:

Think of the executive bonuses!

These companies are not our friends. They are in a deathmatch for their very survival and to think they have ever really "cared" about us is a myth that they don't mind existing and sometimes pandering to. Their primary motivations are not centered in creating value for gamers but rather min/maxing effort to profit. They have to in order to survive - every quarter a win! It's insane.

They will do what is in their own best interests. Sometimes that will align with our expectations, many times it won't.

I am trying to understand why they are milking us a bit now rather than throwing us (their customers and fans) and their own PR dept. a bone because realistically the margins are on their enterprise stuff and a few million here or there in potential lost revenue due to lower MSRP on a certain SKU is probably just a thing on a spreadsheet somewhere.

They must really believe this higher margin/lower volume solution is The Way and I think that that it is fascinating.

The lion is biting us. Surprise.

 

[jpiniero]

You're just seeing inflation in action.

 

[Kocicak]

You're just seeing inflation in action.

Most of that extra 100 dollars everybody seems to be complaining about is caused by inflation, that is why I compared the perf. per dollar adjusted for inflation.

2070, 3070 and 4070 cost the same. Performance rose by 100%.

I find all that whining most annoying and silly.

The only grave and real problem here is, that AMD does not have a current competitor to 4070.

 

[Saylick]

Most of that extra 100 dollars everybody seems to be complaining about is caused by inflation, that is why I compared the perf. per dollar adjusted for inflation.

2070, 3070 and 4070 cost the same. Performance rose by 100%.

I find all that whining most annoying and silly.

The only grave and real problem here is, that AMD does not have a current competitor to 4070.

Ehh, Idk about grave problem for not having a current competitor. I mean, they do have a competitor at least. It's called a $650 6950XT. Is it the latest generation? No. But it's a competitor nonetheless, and that's reflected by how many debates people have about which one is better.

 

[coercitiv]

I find all that whining most annoying and silly.

Then go to bed, relax.

In 2018 they put a full 445mm2 chip in a $500 card.
In 2020 they put a 95% enabled 392mm2 chip in a $500 card.
In 2023 they put a 75% enabled 292mm2 chip in a $600 card.

Have you figured out where the inflation went so far?

The only grave and real problem here is, that AMD does not have a current competitor to 4070.

Oh, so you expect AMD to bring inflation down?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Then go to bed, relax.

In 2018 they put a full 445mm2 chip in a $500 card.
In 2020 they put a 95% enabled 392mm2 chip in a $500 card.
In 2023 they put a 75% enabled 292mm2 chip in a $600 card.

Have you figured out where the inflation went so far?

To the chip Fabricator.

 

[coercitiv]

To the chip Fabricator.

Really?! You think Samsung asked higher prices for Ampere than TSMC asked for Turing?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Really?! You think Samsung asked higher prices for Ampere than TSMC asked for Turing?

Yes.

Significantly Denser process node, have significantly higher input costs, so yes, they charged more for significantly denser 8nm used in Ampere than 12nm used in Turning.

Samsung 8nm would have offered saving vs 7nm TSMC, but not vs older much less dense 12nm.

 

[In2Photos]

The only grave and real problem here is, that AMD does not have a current competitor to 4070.

You're right, they don't currently have an overpriced GPU on the market with too little vRAM.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

WCCFTech... Them be some biased mofos. When Nvidia halts production to avoid over supply/inventory management, they report things quite objectively.

But when AMD says they are slowing production for the same reasons, it's because they want to keep prices high.

What sensationalist POSes.

AMD Admits To Overpricing & Underselling CPUs/GPUs Over Last Two Quarters, Plans To Continue Practice

AMD limited the shipments of processors and graphics cards for two quarters due to fluxuations in the PC marketplace.

wccftech.com

Hey when it comes to video cards I am no friend of AMD.

 

[DooKey]

WCCFTech... Them be some biased mofos. When Nvidia halts production to avoid over supply/inventory management, they report things quite objectively.

But when AMD says they are slowing production for the same reasons, it's because they want to keep prices high.

What sensationalist POSes.

AMD Admits To Overpricing & Underselling CPUs/GPUs Over Last Two Quarters, Plans To Continue Practice

AMD limited the shipments of processors and graphics cards for two quarters due to fluxuations in the PC marketplace.

wccftech.com

LOL. It's WTFTech. They are worthless for anything.

 

[DooKey]

It's a survey that people self-select into. As soon as you have something that isn't a sufficiently random sample of the population the confidence in the accuracy of the results decreases.

snip

All surveys are self-selected by those who are selected to participate. No one participates involuntarily in almost all surveys.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Most of that extra 100 dollars everybody seems to be complaining about is caused by inflation, that is why I compared the perf. per dollar adjusted for inflation.

2070, 3070 and 4070 cost the same. Performance rose by 100%.

I find all that whining most annoying and silly.

The only grave and real problem here is, that AMD does not have a current competitor to 4070.

-Die size for the 4070 is tiny compared to 3070 and 2070. Comparable to the 1070/1080.

I don't think only inflation is at play.

 

[Kocicak]

Ehh, Idk about grave problem for not having a current competitor. I mean, they do have a competitor at least. It's called a $650 6950XT. Is it the latest generation? No. But it's a competitor nonetheless, and that's reflected by how many debates people have about which one is better.

I already mentioned, that I can play Hogwarts legacy with all the settings on ultra incl. RT, on 2560x1440 monitor at 80-140 fps with 4070 drawing less than 200W (DLSS Quality and frame generation on). How would 6950XT perform at these settings? At what power draw (average and spikes)? How would image quality compare?

I believe that 6950XT could deliver 30 fps instead of 80 at almost double the power draw.

Is this REALLY a competitor???

-Die size for the 4070 is tiny compared to 3070 and 2070. Comparable to the 1070/1080.

I don't think only inflation is at play.

Inflation correction is something commonly used in price comparisons. If you do what should be done, the last 3 generations of these cards cost the same.

I believe that consumers care primarily about performance. Chip size is a problem of the card manufacturer, we do not know what the chip manufacturers charges Nvidia for them. Smaller die on much more expensive process can cost so much as a larger die on a cheap process.

 

[tamz_msc]

Speaking of wafer costs only as a factor in the overall cost, napkin math says that the die cost/MSRP ratio is actually increasing from 2018-2023 for the xx70 cards. So it is meaningless to argue about die sizes when TSMC charges ~3x more per wafer for N4 compared to 12FFN. Despite that, NVIDIA has managed to price the cards at roughly a factor of 10 times the cost of the die with this generation, just like it did with the previous generations.

So all these complaints about pricing are off the mark.

 

[VirtualLarry]

the last 3 generations of these cards cost the same.

So all these complaints about pricing are off the mark.

I'm afraid that the market begs to differ.

$599 is TOO MUCH for what is really, a x60-class card.

Edit: That's WHY it's "so power efficient" - because it's essentially a x60-class card, which traditionally have been very power-efficient.

 

[tamz_msc]

I'm afraid that the market begs to differ.

$599 is TOO MUCH for what is really, a x60-class card.

x60 class products are based on the x106 die.

 

[Kocicak]

You're right, they don't currently have an overpriced GPU on the market with too little vRAM.

... that would not be a competition, would it? I expect an AMD competing product to have at least more RAM, if not better perf/price in raw performance (without the extras like upscaling).

 

[BFG10K]

Polish retailer lowers 4070 price 9% below MSRP:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 drops 9% below MSRP in Poland just a week after launch - VideoCardz.com

And so it begins A Polish retailer lowers the price of recently launched NVIDIA GPU by 9%. NVIDIA’s GeForce RTX 4070 launched in Poland at 3199 PLN, which is the price of the Founders Edition and cheapest models with dual-fan cooling solutions and 8-pin power connectors, or what we are used to...

videocardz.com

Also nVidia might offer AIBs a $50 rebate, making a possible price of $549.

Will the GeForce RTX 4070 be cheaper? NVIDIA supports board partners with a significant rebate | igor´sLAB

I recently discussed the prices and the profit margins of the board partners for the GeForce RTX 4070 and also noted that there is hardly any financial leeway left for the manufacturers…

www.igorslab.de

Stay strong bois, hold the line. Don't cave to these small concessions. GPUs are overpriced in excess of any inflation, component shortages, supply chain pressure, or foundry space. They want to maintain "my-nah" profit margins, plain and simple.

And AMD is happy to sit quietly on the side as they too benefit from higher prices. Both need to be investigated for price fixing and anti-consumer collusion.

 

[Kocicak]

Polish retailer lowers 4070 price 9% below MSRP:

You mean that the retailer lowers the price of 2 fan card with plastic backplate - worst card available, because it could not compete with 3 fan OC model with aluminium backplate, selling for the same price?

Wow, what a story...

EDIT: Videocards are also reporting about one polish retailer lowering a price of one crappy videocard. This is Madness.

BTW the Windforce 4070 are repeatedly getting sold out in local shops, I believe that these offer the best value at the moment.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

x60 class products are based on the x106 die.

In my opinion 4060 will be based on full Ad107 and 4060Ti on Ad106.
I don't think they can do a reasonable cutdown version from AD106, which wouldn't be very close to full AD107.

BTW Ampere used x106 and x104 dies for 3060 class including Ti.

 

[Heartbreaker]

-Die size for the 4070 is tiny compared to 3070 and 2070. Comparable to the 1070/1080.

I don't think only inflation is at play.

Wafer prices have been going up MUCH faster than inflation.

Wafer cost is about 3X-4X higher than it was in the days of the GTX 10 series.

 

[In2Photos]

... that would not be a competition, would it? I expect an AMD competing product to have at least more RAM, if not better perf/price in raw performance (without the extras like upscaling).

So you mean the RX6800, RX6800XT, and the RX6950XT as shown in the 4070 review? And the RX7900XT is right behind the 4070.

 

[In2Photos]

You mean that the retailer lowers the price of 2 fan card with plastic backplate - worst card available, because it could not compete with 3 fan OC model with aluminium backplate, selling for the same price?

Wow, what a story...

EDIT: Videocards are also reporting about one polish retailer lowering a price of one crappy videocard. This is Madness.

BTW the Windforce 4070 are repeatedly getting sold out in local shops, I believe that these offer the best value at the moment.

If there was a story about an AMD card having its price lowered a week after release I have a feeling your schtick would be very different. 🙄