4070 reviews thread

[Kocicak]

In2Photos:​

Performance per Newegg price is totally irrelevant to me, because price and availability of products in other countries than US may be significantly different, and I do not live there.

RX 6000 cards are out of question for me because they are old tech with low energy efficiency. RX 7900 have a problem with idle multi-monitor and video playback power draw.

I can assure you that drawing any conclusions from one retailer lowering the price of one card is stupid regardless of the chip manufacturer or brand of the card.

 

[In2Photos]

In2Photos:​

Performance per Newegg price is totally irrelevant to me, because price and availability of products in other countries than US may be significantly different, and I do not live there.

RX 6000 cards are out of question for me because they are old tech with low energy efficiency. RX 7900 have a problem with idle multi-monitor and video playback power draw.

I can assure you that drawing any conclusions from one retailer lowering the price of one card is stupid regardless of the chip manufacturer or brand of the card.

When you have to keep moving the line in the discussion, your point isn't very strong. So what's the price of RX6000 cards in comparison to the 4070 where you live? And as I've stated multiple times now the RX6800XT cards are easily undervolted to similar power draw to your 4070 and still out perform it. I've yet to see anyone undervolt the 4070 to see how it would perform, maybe it drops power draw even further, who knows. I'd like to see what it can do. the RX7900 problem doesn't exist on all multi monitor setups but OK, NVidia has everything working on their cards, right? Don't they have issues with driver overhead on some games, high system memory usage after a period of time?

 

[Heartbreaker]

When you have to keep moving the line in the discussion, your point isn't very strong. So what's the price of RX6000 cards in comparison to the 4070 where you live? And as I've stated multiple times now the RX6800XT cards are easily undervolted to similar power draw to your 4070 and still out perform it. I've yet to see anyone undervolt the 4070 to see how it would perform, maybe it drops power draw even further, who knows. I'd like to see what it can do. the RX7900 problem doesn't exist on all multi monitor setups but OK, NVidia has everything working on their cards, right? Don't they have issues with driver overhead on some games, high system memory usage after a period of time?

Here in Canada, 6800 XT is typically about $50-$100 more expensive than a 4070.

HWUB 4070 review show the performance to be identical, so I don't know where you are seeing the 6800 XT outperforming the 4070.

Here at least, it would make ZERO sense to pay more, for the older card, significantly behind on features.

I'd want a significant discount (~20%) to consider the older card.

 

[tamz_msc]

In my opinion 4060 will be based on full Ad107 and 4060Ti on Ad106.
I don't think they can do a reasonable cutdown version from AD106, which wouldn't be very close to full AD107.

BTW Ampere used x106 and x104 dies for 3060 class including Ti.

x104 dies being used for x60 class products happened late into the product cycles of previous generations. Things like the RTX 2060 12 GB and what not. I'm talking about GPUs at the beginning of the product cycle.

 

[PJVol]

Performance per Newegg price is totally irrelevant to me, because price and availability of products in other countries than US may be significantly different

Not much. 6800xt cheaper here in Russia, and ~ same as 4070 in Germany (as per computeruniverse)

I can play Hogwarts legacy with all the settings on ultra incl. RT, on 2560x1440 monitor at 80-140 fps with 4070 drawing less than 200W (DLSS Quality and frame generation on). How would 6950XT perform at these settings? At what power draw (average and spikes)? How would image quality compare?

I believe that 6950XT could deliver 30 fps instead of 80 at almost double the power draw.

Yeah, mainly 30 fps.
Regarding the power draw, I dare to say that just about any 6800xt can easily be tuned to deliver stock performance @ 200W or ~ 6900XT performance at stock power.

 

[Dribble]

When you have to keep moving the line in the discussion, your point isn't very strong. So what's the price of RX6000 cards in comparison to the 4070 where you live? And as I've stated multiple times now the RX6800XT cards are easily undervolted to similar power draw to your 4070 and still out perform it. I've yet to see anyone undervolt the 4070 to see how it would perform, maybe it drops power draw even further, who knows. I'd like to see what it can do. the RX7900 problem doesn't exist on all multi monitor setups but OK, NVidia has everything working on their cards, right? Don't they have issues with driver overhead on some games, high system memory usage after a period of time?

Give up trying to hard sell RX6000 cards, they are way behind on features, size, power usage. Performance is only comparable for current raster heavy games, they fall off for RT, and when next gen games arrive that use/need the newer features like shader reordering and DLSS3 they will be multiples slower. A 4070 is 5 times faster in the fully path traced cyberpunk then a RX6800XT. Sure if I could get one cheap second hand I'd go for it, but I'd never buy one new.

None of this is to say the 4070 is great and we should all get one, but as a new purchase today a high end RX6000 card is worse. AMD need an RX7000 competitor to have any chance of competing.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

x104 dies being used for x60 class products happened late into the product cycles of previous generations. Things like the RTX 2060 12 GB and what not. I'm talking about GPUs at the beginning of the product cycle.

RTX 3060Ti(GA104) was released before RTX 3060(GA106).

 

[In2Photos]

Give up trying to hard sell RX6000 cards, they are way behind on features, size, power usage. Performance is only comparable for current raster heavy games, they fall off for RT, and when next gen games arrive that use/need the newer features like shader reordering and DLSS3 they will be multiples slower. A 4070 is 5 times faster in the fully path traced cyberpunk then a RX6800XT. Sure if I could get one cheap second hand I'd go for it, but I'd never buy one new.

None of this is to say the 4070 is great and we should all get one, but as a new purchase today a high end RX6000 card is worse. AMD need an RX7000 competitor to have any chance of competing.

Lol, I'm not trying to hard sell RX6000 cards. I'm simply pointing out that the 4070 is bad value by comparing the RX6000 cards to it. You can push the NVidia RT narrative, but I've yet to turn it on in any game (just like most others), and it's not because I have a 1st gen AMD card with RT. I just don't see the point in it. When I'm playing a game I don't go "ooh look reflections!". And who gives a crap if the 4070 is 5x faster in fully path traced Cyberpunk. It still isn't playable because the frame rate is too low. That's like saying ride a bmx bike in the tour de France instead of a tricycle.

I will agree that AMD needs to release more 7000 series cards.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Lol, I'm not trying to hard sell RX6000 cards. I'm simply pointing out that the 4070 is bad value by comparing the RX6000 cards to it.

6800XT might have equal performance, to the 4070, but from where I sit, it's MUCH worse value being older, behind on features and priced higher than the 4070.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Lol, I'm not trying to hard sell RX6000 cards. I'm simply pointing out that the 4070 is bad value by comparing the RX6000 cards to it. You can push the NVidia RT narrative, but I've yet to turn it on in any game (just like most others), and it's not because I have a 1st gen AMD card with RT. I just don't see the point in it. When I'm playing a game I don't go "ooh look reflections!". And who gives a crap if the 4070 is 5x faster in fully path traced Cyberpunk. It still isn't playable because the frame rate is too low. That's like saying ride a bmx bike in the tour de France instead of a tricycle.

I will agree that AMD needs to release more 7000 series cards.

RTX 4070 has the same performance as RX 6800XT. Price difference in my country is 13 euro (SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 6800 XT 16G vs GAINWARD GeForce RTX 4070 Ghost 12 GB).
It has lower power consumption during gaming, multi-monitor and video-playback. If I play limited to V-sync then It's only 67W vs 147W(Link).
The only disadvantage is 12GB Vram, while Radeon has 16GB.
It is faster in RT and has better features.

Why is actually RX 6800XT a better value, please tell me.

 

[blckgrffn]

6800XT might have equal performance, to the 4070, but from where I sit, it's MUCH worse value being older, behind on features and priced higher than the 4070.

For me it’s not that the 4070 is bad, it just brings so little to the table.

The 6800xt is roughly similar and could have been had a year ago easily and obviously much longer too. So that shiny new 4070 experience is old news.

The 3080 12 GB and the 3080s in general have also been readily available and bring essentially the same feature set to the table but could have been had years ago and for the discerning shopper also at not that much more.

It just continues a trend of basically the same performance at a similar price but in a smaller power envelope. It is a bit yawn inducing and easy to see how people willing to spend $600+ on a GPU in the last two years could yawn.

Or decide to spend $500 on a 6800xt instead and save $100-$200 instead of paying the Nvidia tax. It’s just a gamble, are you going to miss the RT performance or the frame buffer first?

The smaller size and power envelope are definite pluses but how often are they hard requirements?

The 7800xt seems poised to be met with the same sigh.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

For me it’s not that the 4070 is bad, it just brings so little to the table.

The 6800xt is roughly similar and could have been had a year ago easily and obviously much longer too. So that shiny new 4070 experience is old news.

The 3080 12 GB and the 3080s in general have also been readily available and bring essentially the same feature set to the table but could have been had years ago and for the discerning shopper also at not that much more.

It just continues a trend of basically the same performance at a similar price but in a smaller power envelope. It is a bit yawn inducing and easy to see how people willing to spend $600+ on a GPU in the last two years could yawn.

Or decide to spend $500 on a 6800xt instead and save $100-$200 instead of paying the Nvidia tax. It’s just a gamble, are you going to miss the RT performance or the frame buffer first?

The smaller size and power envelope are definite pluses but how often are they hard requirements?

The 7800xt seems poised to be met with the same sigh.

I can agree with this. Buying a new card is just not interesting.
RTX 4070 is not bad, but not interesting.
N32 will be the same.
The lower end from both Nvidia and AMD will most likely look even worse.

 

[In2Photos]

RTX 4070 has the same performance as RX 6800XT. Price difference in my country is 13 euro (SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 6800 XT 16G vs GAINWARD GeForce RTX 4070 Ghost 12 GB).
It has lower power consumption during gaming, multi-monitor and video-playback. If I play limited to V-sync then It's only 67W vs 147W(Link).
The only disadvantage is 12GB Vram, while Radeon has 16GB.
It is faster in RT and has better features.

Why is actually RX 6800XT a better value, please tell me.

I have 3 monitors. At idle and with video playback on my 6800XT I see 22W. I haven't tried V-sync. During gaming I see 170-200w depending on the game. What features does the card have that are better? DLSS? Yawn! RT performance? Again, Yawn! On most games it was still below 60fps without fake frames anyway.

Again, I'm not saying the 6800XT is a better value. I'll put it in bold so those of you in the back can hear it, I'm stating that the 4070 is bad value because of the price and performance of a previous gen card compared to it. The 4070 is not a bad card, it's poorly priced for what it is!!!

And what's funny is that I'm not the only one saying this. All of the reviewers are saying the same thing.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Or decide to spend $500 on a 6800xt instead and save $100-$200 instead of paying the Nvidia tax. It’s just a gamble, are you going to miss the RT performance or the frame buffer first?

As noted though, in Canada it's the AMD tax as the 6800XT is $50-$100 more expensive than the 4070.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=550,496&sort=price

Why would I pay $50 more for the old card with lesser feature set??

6800 XT for $200 less. Sure, sign me up...

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Again, I'm not saying the 6800XT is a better value. I'll put it in bold so those of you in the back can hear it, I'm stating that the 4070 is bad value because of the price and performance of a previous gen card compared to it. The 4070 is not a bad card, it's poorly priced for what it is!!!

And what's funny is that I'm not the only one saying this. All of the reviewers are saying the same thing.

There is sadly no better alternative. Even If AMD releases N32, I highly doubt It will fare much better than RTX 4070.
Intel has no card in this price bracket.

 

[blckgrffn]

As noted though, in Canada it's the AMD tax as the 6800XT is $50-$100 more expensive than the 4070.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=550,496&sort=price

Why would I pay $50 more for the old card with lesser feature set??

6800 XT for $200 less. Sure, sign me up...

Yeah, you shouldn't. But that's not the reality here. It's a US centric market here in NA.

 

[n0x1ous]

I never considered myself to be a value shopper, but in 2023 apparently I am since the flagships are the best value!

 

[In2Photos]

Some overclocking on the FE card. The card is both power and voltage limited to get too much, but looks like 8-15% improvement depending on the game/application. One thing to note from this video at the 9:25 mark, Jay claims that the difference in performance between the 4070 and 4070Ti is the same as the difference between the 3070 and 3090!!! There are 3 other cards between those (3070Ti, 3080, 3080Ti).

 

[Heartbreaker]

ay claims that the difference in performance between the 4070 and 4070Ti is the same as the difference between the 3070 and 3090!!!

How does that make any sense? IIRC 4070 Ti ~= 3090. That means 4070 would have to be about equal to 3070 in performance. That is demonstrably untrue.

Edit:
I just checked Techspot/HWUB review:

At 4K:

3090 is 50% faster than 3070.
4070 Ti is 25% faster than 4070.

Yep, just as I thought, 50% is the same as 25% !!!

 

[coercitiv]

How does that make any sense?

It doesn't make sense, sometimes Jay is just very bad at math.

 

[blckgrffn]

It doesn't make sense, sometimes Jay is just very bad at math.

To be fair, math is hard.

And catchy headlines are worth way more than accuracy.

 

[In2Photos]

How does that make any sense? IIRC 4070 Ti ~= 3090. That means 4070 would have to be about equal to 3070 in performance. That is demonstrably untrue.

Edit:
I just checked Techspot/HWUB review:

At 4K:

3090 is 50% faster than 3070.
4070 Ti is 25% faster than 4070.

Yep, just as I thought, 50% is the same as 25% !!!

Yeah I like Jay and most of his videos but he can make some crazy claims at times. He also says at the end of the video to buy a 3070Ti over the 4070. While I still think the 4070 is not great value, that is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Saylick]

Yeah I like Jay and most of his videos but he can make some crazy claims at times. He also says at the end of the video to buy a 3070Ti over the 4070. While I still think the 4070 is not great value, that is a ridiculous statement.

Yeah, 100% agree. If you want an Nvidia graphics card, there really is no perfect option in the $500-$600 price range at the moment.

Used 3080s can be had for under $500 if you know where to look, but that's a short term solution given its 10 GB frame buffer. Spending $100 more for a new card which has better perf/W, better RT (in theory), and DLSS3 is worth it in my book. The 3070 Ti just wouldn't have the same lasting power as a 3080, even if it's $100 cheaper. Again, these comparisons are just relative to each other and are made in a vacuum. If I had my way, Nvidia's entire pricing structure could use a 20% cut off the top in my opinion.

 

[Ranulf]

Yeah I like Jay and most of his videos but he can make some crazy claims at times. He also says at the end of the video to buy a 3070Ti over the 4070. While I still think the 4070 is not great value, that is a ridiculous statement.

Hah, he really does. Starting around 13m20s for the full context of him being a "graphics enthusiast". Starts with saying get a 3080 (10 or 12gb?) over the 4070 then says even the 3070ti. "I'd be fine with that". Well, okay then.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Yeah I like Jay and most of his videos but he can make some crazy claims at times. He also says at the end of the video to buy a 3070Ti over the 4070. While I still think the 4070 is not great value, that is a ridiculous statement.

That may be the worse possible choice in Canada right now. A 3070 Ti costs more than 4070 right now.

If you are looking in Canada right now, in it's price range 4070 might be the best option.