The 6950 XT ASRock at Newegg is still in stock but it is now $609 instead of $599.
Probably yes. And mainly contrary to what I read in this thread her ethere never was a 6950 xt for $599 to be had not even a 6800 xt. And now these are sold out completely. maybe some pandemic left overs at $1000 but that's about it. N21 is out of stock and hence why nvidia can get away with this BS at least in Europe for people that don't want to spend >€800 on a 7900xt or 4070 ti.
good for US cusomters but that doesn't help the rest of the world.The 6950 XT ASRock at Newegg is still in stock but it is now $609 instead of $599.
You can probably do the same thing with the 4070 but my tuned 6800XT runs around 190W on my system at 2400MHz (which is an overclock) because of undervolting. IT has 4GB more of VRAM and I paid $570 for it. So I agree, I think the 6800XT is still a better buy if you can find one at this price point.I'm going to guess most people will only play couple of hours a day at the most, so higher power consumption on 6800XT at load is not much of an issue. Honestly, I have serious doubts about 12GB longevity, as such I'd go with 6800XT.
$584.54 after my local sales tax rate of 8.25% that would be collected on itProbably yes. And mainly contrary to what I read in this thread here there never was a 6950 xt for $599 to be had not even a 6800 xt. And now these are sold out completely. maybe some pandemic left overs at $1000 but that's about it. N21 is out of stock and hence why nvidia can get away with this BS at least in Europe for people that don't want to spend >€800 on a 7900xt or 4070 ti.
EDIT: just checked and yeah cheaoest available $6800 xt is roughly $700 (incl all taxes). So more or less what the 4070 will cost with taxes. SO why should I get an older card using more power if it isn't much cheaper?
Does this use the new connector? If so, that would be another + for 3080 class cards instead.
Something else I noticed watching the HWUB video. Did the 6950XT always slightly outperform the 3090 and go toe to toe with the 3090Ti? I didn't think it did, but maybe I'm not remembering correctly.
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Does this use the new connector? If so, that would be another + for 3080 class cards instead.
Dang, sorry to hear that your local options are limited. Yeah, I'd choose a 4070 over the 6800XT if they were the same price.Probably yes. And mainly contrary to what I read in this thread here there never was a 6950 xt for $599 to be had not even a 6800 xt. And now these are sold out completely. maybe some pandemic left overs at $1000 but that's about it. N21 is out of stock and hence why nvidia can get away with this BS at least in Europe for people that don't want to spend >€800 on a 7900xt or 4070 ti.
EDIT: just checked and yeah cheaoest available $6800 xt is roughly $700 (incl all taxes). So more or less what the 4070 will cost with taxes. SO why should I get an older card using more power if it isn't much cheaper?
TPU's review of AIB 4070s has pictures where the card has an 8-pin power connector. I suspect these versions are the budget 4070s that are made only to satisfy Nvidia's desire to claim that there were 4070s at the $599 MSRP. I haven't checked, but I would not be surprised if higher end AIB models use a more robust power connector.Rumors had said there should be cards with either available.
Interesting slide from Paul's Hardware. This is the first generation in quite some time that hasn't outperformed the previous generation's next tier up model.
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TPU's review of AIB 4070s has pictures where the card has an 8-pin power connector. I suspect these versions are the budget 4070s that are made only to satisfy Nvidia's desire to claim that there were 4070s at the $599 MSRP. I haven't checked, but I would not be surprised if higher end AIB models use a more robust power connector.
In stock at £630 in Scan in the UK. Rx 6950xt that is!good for US cusomters but that doesn't help the rest of the world.
Even at equal price the 6950xt means I will need a new PSU and new case. The 4070 will likely have models fitting the case and should work with a 700 w psu (without any risk).
Don't get me wrong, the whole 4000 an 7000 series are a joke price wise, but it is what we have. only somehwat reasonable are 6700 xt but they are already too weak for say 1440p 144 fps gaming.
I have my own issues with the survey. Anecdotally, it hasn't ask me to submit it on an AMD build in the last 8 or more tries. On Nvidia builds I am now 2 for 3. As I have joked before, it's enough to put on my tinfoil hat.
Most of us agree what VRAM requirements will be moving forward. It doesn't matter. This 12GB model will be the new hotness IMO. Only time will tell, but unless gamers suddenly became more discriminating in their purchasing habits...
Concerning the survey, I think there's enough users here of both graphic card vendors to do a statistical analysis aimed at determining if it really is a random survey. Might be a great forum project.Yeah, that's why Steam HW survey is hit or miss.
Regarding VRAM demands moving forward, I can't help but think that this will be leveraged by Nvidia when they release Blackwell, a la another "My [insert 2 generation old Nvidia architecture] friends, it is safe to upgrade now." Nvidia are so good at giving their consumers just enough to entice them to upgrade, yet leaving plenty of margin for themselves in the short and long term via planned obsolescence.
EDIT: just checked and yeah cheaoest available $6800 xt is roughly $700 (incl all taxes). So more or less what the 4070 will cost with taxes. SO why should I get an older card using more power if it isn't much cheaper?
I considered this, but discarded the idea. My reasoning was that, first, there is the issue with poll trolls that intentionally sabotage results. Not out of malice or to further some personal agenda. Strictly for the LULZ. Next, it relies on our often imperfect memories. It could have asked but been dismissed so offhandedly, that they made no memory of it.Concerning the survey, I think there's enough users here of both graphic card vendors to do a statistical analysis aimed at determining if it really is a random survey. Might be a great forum project.
Zero out of eight vs two out of three strongly suggests to me an anomaly if truly supposed to be random.
The check from nvidia hasn't yet cleared.Digital Foundry shockingly agrees with the takes in this forum. Shocking indeed.
In stock at £630 in Scan in the UK. Rx 6950xt that is!
Is a nice card, I've got one, I'm not sure why it's cheaper than the 6800xt at the moment!I keep looking at it because it tempts me. Will be better if I wait though. Can see 7900XTs coming down more in price and even if the 7800XT is a similar price for similar raster perf the 7800XT should have faster RT.
Yeah, Today was only the embargo on the MSRP cards. Tomorrow the embargo ends on the higher priced and higher power cards.
Definitely higher power cards with the new connector coming.
Though I haven't yet seen any with Dual 8-pins. I don't know dual 8 pins are disallowed, or if it's just more convenient to use the new smaller connector.
I'd definitely be looking at the rail distribution in HWinfo, but I sure wouldn't want a card that pulls 75W from the slot at full draw. Too much chance of damaging card and MB for no good reason. Hopefully all the 4070s are set up to only pull 50 or less.150w at the PCIe slot + 75w per 8-pin = 225w>200w, which is the power limit for the 4070. I can see this being good for smaller form factor systems when paired with a 65w AMD CPU or a higher tiered AMD CPU set to 65w ECO mode.