4070 reviews thread

[Panino Manino]

The check from nvidia hasn't yet cleared.

Only one check allowed per week and the official PR guy on team has the priority.

 

[VirtualLarry]

RTX 4070 isn't THAT bad. Another $100 price cut, and it would be a top seller.

That said, for a similar amount of dough, I snagged a 6950XT, which out-performs 3090/ti @ 4K.

Edit: 4070 wins on power efficiency, though.

10:45

Brett makes a similar observation that I did, that the 6950XT @ $599 makes a lot more sense raw performance-wise than the RTX 4070 @ $599.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm thinking the AIB versions will be around $800+ in some cases. I wonder how that's going to go over. If these fly off the shelves then prices will definitely be much higher next gen. If people buy them that means they could have paid more, so next time they will pay more.

 

[Ranulf]

Gibbo at OCUK says he has 1k+ units on the shelf ready to go with 1k+ more on the way.

 

[Timorous]

So. The best 60 series card for a while the 1060 matched the 980 at $300

The 2060 matched the 1080 for $350

Given the 4070 only matches the 3080 to me it feels exactly like what a 4060 should be and a 12GB 4060 with 3080 matching performance for $400 to allow for inflation seems about right to me and at that price it would be a truly excellent product. At $600 though, nah, too much money for not enough of a performance jump and 12GB of VRAM at $600 also feels like something that will relegate it to a 1080p card in a few years as more games start to hit the 12GB or more with RT on buffer at 1440p.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Gibbo at OCUK says he has 1k+ units on the shelf ready to go with 1k+ more on the way.

All $599 FE cards? Or does that include AIB partner cards too?

 

[Ranulf]

All $599 FE cards? Or does that include AIB partner cards too?

He didn't say explicitly but in another post he was talking about people should be careful what cards have what type of power connectors, 8pin or the new ones.

Their website shows 30 or so models, "coming soon". I'm guessing mostly AIB models.

 

[Dribble]

It's $100 too expensive, but it's still the best new card for $600 - size, power, performance, features put it ahead. Hence it will sell. The only thing that will change this is competition from AMD forcing Nvidia to drop prices but I doubt that's coming - AMD don't seem to be that interested in desktop gpu's.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Yep, sadly it'll sell like hotcakes. I poked around at r/nvidia and comments seem to be evenly split, yes, there are people rightly pointing out just how much lackluster this card is, there are just as many justifying it and how that's the card they've been waiting for.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A good number of $599 models available on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601408877

@maddie

In this tweet discussion about Mind Factory sales, the user Nike7230 cites the same thing I have about AMD v. Nvidia for the Steam survey. Taken with the info about how AMD sits at 30-40% in sales at MF for years. But has been in the 50-60s the last couple of months, AMD cards not having a bigger representation in the survey is damned fishy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646163566309830656

 

[blckgrffn]

A good number of $599 models available on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601408877

@maddie

In this tweet discussion about Mind Factory sales, the user Nike7230 cites the same thing I have about AMD v. Nvidia for the Steam survey. Taken with the info about how AMD sits at 30-40% in sales at MF for years. But has been in the 50-60s the last couple of months, AMD cards not having a bigger representation in the survey is damned fishy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646163566309830656

Microcenter is the same. Looks like about a ~12% premium for the "prem" models with controllable RGB and the rest at $670 with several models available.

I think another "failure" of the current nvidia ladder is that it doesn't get you to climb it easily.

I mean, is there any real reason to get the 4070ti now? If it was $599 and the vanilla was $499 I think maybe it would be close enough that some people would say "why not?" and go for it. At MC, the Ti is *chokes* like $850 to over $1k. Given the same frame buffer and same longevity concerns, you'd think the next card worth considering against the 4070 is the 4080 at... 2x the price? Wow.

The 3xxx series always seemed a little crowded with 4+ cards at $350-$700 (3060-3060ti-3070-3070ti-3080) at FE type prices) but this widening of the gaps really makes it hard for people to walk the "good-better-best" ladder. The "best" category is supposed to be smaller, not all the options. That's what makes it easy for folks once they justify it to themselves

I just find it interesting because nvidia seems to be so mature in this consumer manipulation that these feels like quite the real world experiment on their end.

 

[Tup3x]

If this was 200 € cheaper it would fly off the shelves. Starting at 689,90 € here in Finland (inc. 24 % VAT) it's just too much for a card that has 12 GB of VRAM.

 

[Heartbreaker]

In this tweet discussion about Mind Factory sales, the user Nike7230 cites the same thing I have about AMD v. Nvidia for the Steam survey. Taken with the info about how AMD sits at 30-40% in sales at MF for years. But has been in the 50-60s the last couple of months, AMD cards not having a bigger representation in the survey is damned fishy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646163566309830656

Yeah, I mean how can you believe a multi-year monthly random survey out of 100 million users, when it's contradicted by anecdotes from one retail chain in Germany?

Also note that sales reports from Industry HW sales analyst like Jon Peddie research correlate with the Steam HW numbers as well.

 

[jpiniero]

I mean, is there any real reason to get the 4070ti now? If it was $599 and the vanilla was $499 I think maybe it would be close enough that some people would say "why not?" and go for it. At MC, the Ti is *chokes* like $850 to over $1k. Given the same frame buffer and same longevity concerns, you'd think the next card worth considering against the 4070 is the 4080 at... 2x the price? Wow.

The Ti is 20% faster and Newegg does have a couple Ti models between 800-850.

 

[WelshBloke]

A good number of $599 models available on Newegg. https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709 601408877

@maddie

In this tweet discussion about Mind Factory sales, the user Nike7230 cites the same thing I have about AMD v. Nvidia for the Steam survey. Taken with the info about how AMD sits at 30-40% in sales at MF for years. But has been in the 50-60s the last couple of months, AMD cards not having a bigger representation in the survey is damned fishy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646163566309830656

Is there a setting to turn that survey off? I have, literally, not seen it in at least over a decade! I was wondering if I'd turned it off somewhere.

 

[In2Photos]

I'm not the typical Steam user, but I've never seen a survey, neither have my kids (PC gamers for the last 4 years or so) and they are on Steam much more than me. They both have had Nvida GPUs until Christmas when my daughter got her first AMD card.

 

[blckgrffn]

The Ti is 20% faster and Newegg does have a couple Ti models between 800-850.

Ugh. Gross. Especially at 12GB. The 3070 Ti, done again.

Then again, I was never one to think the 3070 ti as an 8GB card slotted between the 3070 and the 3080 deserved to exist either. But it was a lot tighter, cost wise.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Ugh. Gross. Especially at 12GB. The 3070 Ti, done again.

Then again, I was never one to think the 3070 ti as an 8GB card slotted between the 3070 and the 3080 deserved to exist either. But it was a lot tighter, cost wise.

3070 TI was only about 8% faster than 3070 at 1440p. 20% faster 4070 Ti has a lot more reason to exist than the 3070 Ti.

 

[blckgrffn]

3070 TI was only about 8% faster than 3070 at 1440p. 20% faster 4070 Ti has a lot more reason to exist than the 3070 Ti.

Ha, well it does have to fill an otherwise $600 hole between MSRPs, I'd say that is its chief justification for existing. If anyone actually buys it, nvidia profits handsomely.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is there a setting to turn that survey off? I have, literally, not seen it in at least over a decade! I was wondering if I'd turned it off somewhere.

It used to be under account preferences, but now the only option I am seeing is for the Steam Deck. I tried using windows run box command, but none of the ones I know the ID for will complete sending the information.

 

[Timorous]

3070 TI was only about 8% faster than 3070 at 1440p. 20% faster 4070 Ti has a lot more reason to exist than the 3070 Ti.

That won't stop it from choking at 4K and eventually 1440p just as quick once more games come out that push the VRAM buffer.

It will be fine for a while just like the 970 was and then it won't be. Won't choke as fast as the 8GB (960 2GB back then) did but won't last like the 980Ti (4090) did either.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Ha, well it does have to fill an otherwise $600 hole between MSRPs, I'd say that is its chief justification for existing. If anyone actually buys it, nvidia profits handsomely.

I think the main reason to exist was pumping the margin during the Mining boom where you could sell anything.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Ha, well it does have to fill an otherwise $600 hole between MSRPs, I'd say that is its chief justification for existing. If anyone actually buys it, nvidia profits handsomely.

Nvidia is playing 4D chess and winning every game so far. Next move should be to release the next down GPU with less VRAM. AMD hasn't showed up for the party, and they are already past fashionably late. Discounting RDNA2 is working to an extent, but size and power constraints put the 6800XT and up out of the running for many builds. All signs point right back to the 4070 as teh sweet spot.

 

[blckgrffn]

Nvidia is playing 4D chess and winning every game so far. Next move should be to release the next down GPU with less VRAM. AMD hasn't showed up for the party, and they are already past fashionably late. Discounting RDNA2 is working to an extent, but size and power constraints put the 6800XT and up out of the running for many builds. All signs point right back to the 4070 as teh sweet spot.

No doubt. It's been pointed out in several different ways how nvidia is really dropping the pretense and going for wallets with 4xxx gen cards. It's interesting if nothing else, and as it is I have no beef with anyone choosing a 4070, 4080 or 4090 given the ability to do so, because that's just how it is now.

At this point, AMD could have done a 5nm shrink on RDNA2 and been in a better spot than they are now. Oh well, someday we'll get the down line RDNA3 parts and see if there are any adjustments.

 

[maddie]

Yeah, I mean how can you believe a multi-year monthly random survey out of 100 million users, when it's contradicted by anecdotes from one retail chain in Germany?

Also note that sales reports from Industry HW sales analyst like Jon Peddie research correlate with the Steam HW numbers as well.

Ever heard of GIGO?

Your starting assumption is that this is really random. Well anecdotal experience seems to have questions. A statistical analysis will be able to say with high confidence if Steam is really random.

Regarding Jon Peddie, read the recent Intel sales numbers retraction and see how one should not use the appeal to authority argument . Works on most though, I guess.