4070TI reviews thread

[BFG10K]

NVIDIA France Accidentally Reveals GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Specs

With less than a week to go until the official launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti, NVIDIA France has gone and spoiled things by revealing the official specs of the upcoming GPU. The French division of NVIDIA appears to have posted the full product page, but it has since then been pulled. That...

www.techpowerup.com

First official performance leak. A perfect opportunity to highlight the fraud pushed by nVidia with DLSS.

Performance looks fantastic, right? Look again, at the smallprint - 4070 is using frame generation.

I said exactly this would happen as soon as DLSS 3.0 was announced. 2560x1440 is a lie given it's actually ~1080p due to legacy DLSS. Since nVidia got away with it, the next step is frame interpolation lies. It's "faster", yo!

Adjusting for frame generation (i.e. halve the 4070's bars), it's actually barely faster than the 3080 in MFS, and slower in Warhammer 40K. All this from a card that will likely cost more.

Customers not seeing the smallprint and/or not understanding DLSS are having systematic fraud perpetuated on them.


Reviews

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Review

MSI's GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X comes with a large triple-fan, triple-slot thermal solution that runs at whisper-quiet noise levels with low temperatures. In terms of performance the new card is able to match last generation's flagship, the RTX 3090 Ti, and offers new features like DLSS 3...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[In2Photos]

So they lowered the price $100 to $799, but there is no reference model of this card so AIBs are left to price their cards as they see fit. MSRP is now $50 more for the base model cards, but they're only going to sell a few of those. Really you're going to need to spend $900 or more for this card so they still got their $900 price anyway.

 

[amenx]

I hope scalpers buy a crapload of them.

 

[BFG10K]

So they lowered the price $100 to $799, but there is no reference model of this card so AIBs are left to price their cards as they see fit. MSRP is now $50 more for the base model cards, but they're only going to sell a few of those. Really you're going to need to spend $900 or more for this card so they still got their $900 price anyway.

These days MSRP is as meaningless as TDP and power limits.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Wow 4070 Ti worse than the 3090 at RT at 4k in Control per Gamers Nexus bench. What a trash release.

 

[Saylick]

I hope scalpers buy a crapload of them.

Ehhh, the sad thing is that even if scalpers buy them up and then no one buys from the scalpers, the sale is already on the accounting books for Nvidia because they've already sold the GPU and RAM to the AIB partner. Nvidia already made their money and they typically don't give a crap about what happens after that.

 

[amenx]

YT reviews are scathing. First time I see Steve @ GN use the F word and knowing the vid will be demonetized.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I didn't know Nvidia could be more dead to me than they already were, but congrats I guess? Releasing a 60 Ti kind of card for 80 Ti prices really takes some bal... guts.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Gotta love that this gpu makes Steve's disappointment build shirt for two years in a row at least.

 

[Heartbreaker]

What a joke, it's a 3090 and not a 3090 Ti at 4k, and lower price to performance than the 3080 10GB.

HWUB found the opposite on price to performance. It's among the best Cost/Frame of it's competition. Notably, Better than the 7900XT, and 3080:

I think the bigger issue will be that you won't be able to find them at $799.

I hope scalpers buy a crapload of them.

If there any $799 ones, they probably will. At that price it's pretty much the best perf/$ in the NVidia lineup.

 

[gdansk]

Performance, especially at higher resolutions, is worse than I expected and from the slightly OC AIB cards at that.
Cost per frame is worse than my 2+ year old RTX 3080.
But AMD should cut the 7900 XT to $800 anyway.

 

[Stuka87]

HWUB found the opposite on price to performance. It's among the best Cost/Frame of it's competition. Notably, Better than the 7900XT, and 3080:

I think the bigger issue will be that you won't be able to find them at $799.



If there any $799 ones, they probably will. At that price it's pretty much the best perf/$ in the NVidia lineup.

TPU put two versions of the card on their Performance per Dollar chart. But its not notably better than the 7900 XT (at least in TPU's tests). They are basically equal. Pay 50 bucks more for the 7900 XT, and get $50 more performance.

And yeah, I doubt we will see any at MSRP.

 

[PJVol]

HWUB found the opposite on price to performance

Yeah, especially this excerpt 20:25 - 20:55 just simply amazing 30 sec of unbiased tech journalism, so lacking in today's world.

 

[Genx87]

AMD drops a dud and Nvidia says hold my beer. The market is due for a flushing anyways. The prices have got out of control.

 

[Heartbreaker]

TPU put two versions of the card on their Performance per Dollar chart. But its not notably better than the 7900 XT (at least in TPU's tests). They are basically equal. Pay 50 bucks more for the 7900 XT, and get $50 more performance.

And yeah, I doubt we will see any at MSRP.

As with every GPU review, different sites see different results based on their setup and the cross section of games tested.

HWUB is my go to choice for GPU reviews, and the NVidia card came in ahead there.

It's notable because when is the last time you saw NVidia have equal, let alone better Perf/$ than AMD in any review?

It's a clear indication these prices won't hold. Either the AIBs will charge more, or the scalpers will buy them and resell them.

 

[PJVol]

HWUB is my go to choice for GPU reviews

They're doing excellent job. It's just his day-1 reviews not worth a view, for quite understandable reason.
And I believe he'll made a good one in a couple of weeks, or may be month.

 

[Hitman928]

It's a clear indication these prices won't hold. Either the AIBs will charge more, or the scalpers will buy them and resell them.

With no reference model, I think it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't see MSRP on these cards, at least not in the short term.

 

[Timorous]

As with every GPU review, different sites see different results based on their setup and the cross section of games tested.

HWUB is my go to choice for GPU reviews, and the NVidia card came in ahead there.

It's notable because when is the last time you saw NVidia have equal, let alone better Perf/$ than AMD in any review?

It's a clear indication these prices won't hold. Either the AIBs will charge more, or the scalpers will buy them and resell them.

TPU with their new suite of games and the 13900K is very solid.

They had the 4070Ti neck and neck with the 3090Ti until 4K where the 3090Ti pulled a 10% lead.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

HWUB found the opposite on price to performance. It's among the best Cost/Frame of it's competition. Notably, Better than the 7900XT, and 3080:

I haven't watched their video, but is this at 4k? I don't care about 1440p on an $840 card. Techpowerup does a testsuite of 20+ games and they found 4070 Ti 15% faster than 3080 at 4k for 20% higher price. I used the aftermarket $840 price for the specific card they tested since they're testing an aftermarket 4070 Ti and since you actually could get 3080 for $700 (my brother got one for example). Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and call the price $799 it's 15% faster than the 3080 at 4k for 14% higher price so is basically stagnant.

 

[Saylick]

I haven't watched their video, but is this at 4k? I don't care about 1440p on an $840 card. Techpowerup does a testsuite of 20+ games and they found 4070 Ti 15% faster than 3080 at 4k for 20% higher price. I used the aftermarket $840 price for the specific card they tested since they're testing an aftermarket 4070 Ti and since you actually could get 3080 for $700 (my brother got one for example). Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and call the price $799 it's 15% faster than the 3080 at 4k for 14% higher price so is basically stagnant.

Here you go. 4070 Ti is about 21% faster than the 3080 10GB at 4K according to HWUB. Perf/$ needle doesn't move all that much considering the realistic MSRP of the 4070 Ti is $849, which is coincidentally ~20% higher than the $699 of the 3080. Said another way, there is a heavy DLSS 3 Frame Generation tax on this generation.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Que the "EVGA was right to quit nvidia" meme...

 

[Heartbreaker]

I used the aftermarket $840 price for the specific card they tested since they're testing an aftermarket 4070 Ti and since you actually could get 3080 for $700 (my brother got one for example). Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and call the price $799 it's 15% faster than the 3080 at 4k for 14% higher price so is basically stagnant.

That seems to be biasing the outcome. IIRC, while possible, it was very difficult to get a 3080 for $699. I expect the situation will be much the same this time. It will be possible (some will get them) to get a $799 4070 Ti, but very difficult.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Card Review Roundup

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X for $840
In TPU review, It's comparable at 1080p and 1440p, but 9% slower at 4K than RTX 3090Ti.
Performance is worse than RX 7900XT in raster, but in RT It's faster.
Performance per price is just a bit worse than RX 7900xT.
Power consumption and efficiency is good.
Which one to choose? Not sure.
If It had 16GB instead of 12GB Vram, then I would prefer this.

Hopefully we will see something about N32 at CES 2023, although It's given It will be slower than this.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Not a lot of mystery on how the 4070Ti was going to perform. Not even a huge mystery on price.

Standard NV launch, solid stair step down from next highest up part.

Kind of cracks me up that the 4080 made the 4090 look good, then the 7900XTX made the 4080 look good, then the 4070Ti makes the 7900XT look good... on and on it goes

I do strongly suspect that by the end of the generation the AMD cards will have put a small but significant additional 5-10% gap over their current NV counterparts as AMD gets their driver situation sorted out and does a better job extracting performance from the dual pumped SPs.

NV, as we generally know, does a good job giving you all the performance up front so I don't expect too many surprises there.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

That seems to be biasing the outcome. IIRC, while possible, it was very difficult to get a 3080 for $699. I expect the situation will be much the same this time. It will be possible (some will get them) to get a $799 4070 Ti, but very difficult.

Problem is they're comparing an AIB 4070 Ti to a reference 3080 in those benches from TechPowerup. I think it's reasonable to use the actual price and not the MSRP for a non-reference card. Even if you took that aftermarket 4070 Ti at MSRP though it's a pretty trash generational gain.

 

[blckgrffn]

Wow, I think you guys pretty much covered it.

Look, for a card that is going to cost ~$1k after tax where I live, it's just too cut down. Unpopular opinion, perhaps, but 12GB of ram on a $1k card in 2023 is a bad joke. That's something we are telling people is a benefit of a $350 6700XT. If they had managed to keep the whole bus width and 16GB of memory I think 4K performance would be better and it would be an easier pill to swallow.

Yes, I know it holds well for now but if/when we see a Pro refresh on the consoles we are going to see an instant jump in frame buffer size for max details in a game. Whatever you think of that, it's coming.

Are we seriously going to see 4060 cards with 8GB of ram? 16GB on a 128 bit bus? I mean, what is the plan for product differentiation here?

As has been said, $500-$700 gets you a 3080 to 3090 with some second hand shopping. That's a huge premium to get comparable performance (at lower power usage). SMH.

Also, maybe I missed it, but how does it compare to the 3080 12GB/3080Ti? That seems to be the actual direct counterpart in the previous gen. (ah, @Saylick got me - ~10% at 4K. Presumably using far less juice. If I had a 3080Ti/12GB I'd feel great about it. It's the same tier.)

We can assume that vanilla 4070 when it exists, will be for all intents and purposes replace the 3080 in performance while using ~50-70% of the power? That's my assumption. Will it cost... $699?