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NVIDIA France Accidentally Reveals GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Specs

With less than a week to go until the official launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti, NVIDIA France has gone and spoiled things by revealing the official specs of the upcoming GPU. The French division of NVIDIA appears to have posted the full product page, but it has since then been pulled. That...

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First official performance leak. A perfect opportunity to highlight the fraud pushed by nVidia with DLSS.

Performance looks fantastic, right? Look again, at the smallprint - 4070 is using frame generation.

I said exactly this would happen as soon as DLSS 3.0 was announced. 2560x1440 is a lie given it's actually ~1080p due to legacy DLSS. Since nVidia got away with it, the next step is frame interpolation lies. It's "faster", yo!

Adjusting for frame generation (i.e. halve the 4070's bars), it's actually barely faster than the 3080 in MFS, and slower in Warhammer 40K. All this from a card that will likely cost more.

Customers not seeing the smallprint and/or not understanding DLSS are having systematic fraud perpetuated on them.


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MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Review

MSI's GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X comes with a large triple-fan, triple-slot thermal solution that runs at whisper-quiet noise levels with low temperatures. In terms of performance the new card is able to match last generation's flagship, the RTX 3090 Ti, and offers new features like DLSS 3...

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[Carfax83]

What does it say about the gpu makers that they are relying on "fake frames" and techs like dlss (1 + 2 not fake 3) and fsr? AMD did this with some of their chart numbers on the 7900 cards and Nvidia just called the 4070ti faster than a 3090ti... with rt overdrive/dlss 3.0 on. But muh 160 fps! Witch please, give me the raw performance numbers. Oh, wait...they show stagnant price/perf or worse.

It says that real time rendering is much more difficult than many would assume. 4K in particular is a tough nut to crack due to all the pixels. I remember thinking after Pascal that Turing would be the first GPU generation to "comfortably" handle 4K. I was wrong, then I thought Ampere would surely handle 4K. I was wrong again.

The RTX 4090 is the first proper 4K capable card in my opinion, which is why I finally decided to upgrade. The consoles are faring even worse. Upscaling using temporal reconstruction in console games is literally the status quo.

Oh, also I've heard from too many sources that 4080s are still mostly on shelves in NA and Europe given their prices to ignore it over what you saw at a local MC. To top it off, even LTT in their usually milquetoast reviews pointed out that their user poll showed 60%+ of their respondents dont use RT. Linus even brought up the console price comparison.

I think I trust Newegg's bestselling list than some random internet dude on a tech forum. Even on Amazon right now, there is a lot of "Only x left in stock - order soon" when I do a search for the RTX 4080.

But I thank you. You just might convince me to give Intel and the Arc 770 a shot.

I'll probably buy one myself as well, just out of curiosity.

 

[Carfax83]

The comparisons I have seen make it a wash between the two, and I don't really care which has been around longer. What I care more about is that a huge number more cards will be able to run FSR than DLSS.

What comparison you've been looking at? Show me, I'm curious. FSR has improved big time for sure, but it's still behind DLSS and will likely always remain behind because A.I and machine learning give Nvidia the advantage.

I posted a YouTube video from Nvidia on the previous page which shows that they are already improving DLSS 3 and resolving its weaknesses. They can do this because the tensor cores can be trained. This was key to DLSS improving rapidly and even surpassing native resolution at times in terms of quality.

You've been on too many forums. The vast majority of people I run into in games or on Discord buy prebuilt gaming rigs and barely know what's inside them. Those are the kinds of buyers easily swayed by marketing and bandwagons.

Honestly who cares. The end result is still the same whether you are right or wrong, and that is Nvidia has a firm grip on mindshare which has persisted over the years.

Yes exaxctly like you. I haven't ever seen you say that outright, but I've seen you bash AMD with hyperbolic, and frankly ignorant, statements about AMDs offerings often, though.

You credit me way too much. I don't actively try to persuade people to buy one thing or another. I could care less what people buy, and I'm not emotionally invested in any companies unlike some people.

Like many people I have an opinion, and I'm not afraid to state it. If I want to bash AMD, why the heck should you even care unless you're emotionally invested in the company? People have been bashing Nvidia all throughout this thread and I haven't defended Nvidia not even once.

I just point out what I consider reality. Nvidia have objectively better products and better features. That's been the case for a long time now, which is why they have a firm grip on mindshare and market share.

As I said earlier, RT is currently a non-starter on midrange hardware.

It's not. Lovelace is much stronger than previous generations in RT and A.I technologies, so I think the RTX 4060 cards should be capable of using RT with DLSS and easily exceed the PS5 and XSX.

Back to the topic at hand, the 4070TI isn't a terrible GPU, IMO, but it needs to drop $100 in price at least, and more than 12GB of RAM would really help its longevity.

I don't disagree with this, but the market forces are with the manufacturer and not with the consumer.

 

[Dribble]

Nothing wrong with it as a card it's just too expensive. That's the bottom line really - nothing wrong with the any of the 4xxx cards other then the price tag, however if the cards are selling then clearly the price tag is not a problem for other people. As a traditional xx70 buyer I've just got to accept I am now a xx60 buyer, oh well....

 

[Heartbreaker]

Nothing wrong with it as a card it's just too expensive. That's the bottom line really - nothing wrong with the any of the 4xxx cards other then the price tag, however if the cards are selling then clearly the price tag is not a problem for other people. As a traditional xx70 buyer I've just got to accept I am now a xx60 buyer, oh well....

Last time I bought a GPU I was an 80 series buyer, now a 50 series is too expensive. I'm waiting until APUs are better...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

meh nm

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Nothing wrong with it as a card it's just too expensive. That's the bottom line really - nothing wrong with the any of the 4xxx cards other then the price tag, however if the cards are selling then clearly the price tag is not a problem for other people. As a traditional xx70 buyer I've just got to accept I am now a xx60 buyer, oh well....

Disagree. 70 series cards have often gotten you to previous gen flagship performance in the past. 970 was right there with 780 Ti for example, 1070 was better than 980 Ti, and even 3070 was very close to 2080 Ti at launch when the 8GB wasn't an issue. But this isn't even a 70 card, it's a 70 Ti, and previous gen flagship 3090 Ti is 10% faster at 4k. 4070 Ti is more like how weak the trash Turing 2070 was in comparison to the 1080 Ti. This is a massively disappointing 70 Ti release that would only be interesting if it was at a really compelling price.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Last time I bought a GPU I was an 80 series buyer, now a 50 series is too expensive. I'm waiting until APUs are better...

Can't believe idiots are paying $300 for an RTX 3050 that is a GTX 1660 Super three years later with a big price bump. $300 for something way less than console performance is lunacy.

 

[Stuka87]

I feel bad for anybody that comes into this thread looking for a conversion on the reviews of the 4070Tie. It has been completely derailed to the point that it should just be locked at this point.

 

[dlerious]

So they lowered the price $100 to $799, but there is no reference model of this card so AIBs are left to price their cards as they see fit. MSRP is now $50 more for the base model cards, but they're only going to sell a few of those. Really you're going to need to spend $900 or more for this card so they still got their $900 price anyway.

Surprisingly, you can still buy a Zotac model at $799 in US. Still available when I posted this.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[blckgrffn]

Surprisingly, you can still buy a Zotac model at $799 in US. Still available when I posted this.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Same is available at MC near me in "limited quantities" but the rest are all more expensive, running ~$850-$950. Let's see what the scene looks like in a week.

 

[dlerious]

Other than poor competition (thanks AMD), PC gaming has exploded in popularity along with the massive increase in video game popularity. It's no longer a niche hobby or pastime for tech savvy nerds. Even with all the issues associated with PC gaming, it's still better than console gaming overall.

It seems odd that PC gaming has exploded, while reading news of GPU sales being the lowest in 20 years. I wouldn't think both could be true.

 

[Tup3x]

All I can say that the availability is a non-issue and rot in peace.

 

[blckgrffn]

It seems odd that PC gaming has exploded, while reading news of GPU sales being the lowest in 20 years. I wouldn't think both could be true.

So many gaming PCs exist already.

Get this, I bought a Dell Optiplex tower for $140 delivered. i7-6700, 32GB DDR4, 256 GB SSD, 1TB HD, 4GB GT 740 (lmao). I pulled this card for a 6500XT to test getting HoloISO running (same OS as SteamDeck). But before I did that, I tested it and played mine craft fine, and probably many other games. The GT is now in an office PC now for when my son spends time here and after finishing his work he can have some fun. Put in a GTX 950 or a 1050, 1060, 1660 or RX5500 and it'll play basically all the things. For about $250.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I still think that if Nvidia did launch competent 4050/4060 it'd go nuts. I am not feeling it atm.

 

[Dribble]

Disagree. 70 series cards have often gotten you to previous gen flagship performance in the past. 970 was right there with 780 Ti for example, 1070 was better than 980 Ti, and even 3070 was very close to 2080 Ti at launch when the 8GB wasn't an issue. But this isn't even a 70 card, it's a 70 Ti, and previous gen flagship 3090 Ti is 10% faster at 4k. 4070 Ti is more like how weak the trash Turing 2070 was in comparison to the 1080 Ti. This is a massively disappointing 70 Ti release that would only be interesting if it was at a really compelling price.

The performance gap is pretty similar. Having given a bunch of x70 to x80Ti examples from the past this time you went for the x90Ti and even then it is similar. It just seems you are raging about the price, but it's not this card in particular that's too high, it's all the new cards from Nvidia and AMD that cost a lot. The price of this card is in-line with everything else - if you just forget about how much cards used to cost and you had $800 to spend this is the card to buy right now, there is nothing better.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The performance gap is pretty similar. Having given a bunch of x70 to x80Ti examples from the past this time you went for the x90Ti and even then it is similar. It just seems you are raging about the price, but it's not this card in particular that's too high, it's all the new cards from Nvidia and AMD that cost a lot. The price of this card is in-line with everything else - if you just forget about how much cards used to cost and you had $800 to spend this is the card to buy right now, there is nothing better.

Because 80 Ti was the flagship until Ampere. Don't know where you get critiquing a card as raging from. Were you offended I called Turing trash or something?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I feel bad for anybody that comes into this thread looking for a conversion on the reviews of the 4070Tie. It has been completely derailed to the point that it should just be locked at this point.

My advice to not just you, but every member, is use the ignore feature for any other member you consider as not being value added. It will magically clean up every discussion.

GN had me laughing with the video cuts - TI TIE TI TIE TI TIE. Even Nvidia can't make up their minds how to say it. I laughed again when they blamed AMD for Nvidia being able to pull this garbage. RDNA2 prices have been the best value. Yet Nvidia still gained market share. While AMD lost market share to both Nvidia and Intel. If Steve wants to engage in more effective consumer advocacy, which seems to be a big part of his mission statement. He needs to stop throwing Nvidia's competitors under the bus to explain why Nvidia sticks it to consumers with no lube or kiss.

Reviewers ranting about every new Nvidia anti-consumer antic is turning into the family feud trope. No matter how many times they set the contestants up, and they deliver, Steve acts shocked by the contestants answers. That's how incongruous the reviewers behavior has become. Or perhaps disingenuous is more accurate?

 

[blckgrffn]

My advice to not just you, but every member, is use the ignore feature for any other member you consider as not being value added. It will magically clean up every discussion.

GN had me laughing with the video cuts - TI TIE TI TIE TI TIE. Even Nvidia can't make up their minds how to say it. I laughed again when they blamed AMD for Nvidia being able to pull this garbage. RDNA2 prices have been the best value. Yet Nvidia still gained market share. While AMD lost market share to both Nvidia and Intel. If Steve wants to engage in more effective consumer advocacy, which seems to be a big part of his mission statement. He needs to stop throwing Nvidia's competitors under the bus to explain why Nvidia sticks it to consumers with no lube or kiss.

Reviewers ranting about every new Nvidia anti-consumer antic is turning into the family feud trope. No matter how many times they set the contestants up, and they deliver, Steve acts shocked by the contestants answers. That's how incongruous the reviewers behavior has become. Or perhaps disingenuous is more accurate?

It's almost like influencers... wait for it... influence? And then act surprised when other people parrot what they said? Or maybe even just trust them and make decisions with their wallet accordingly? Don't viewers know that they are playing the part of entertainer and performer and negativity sells/get clicks & interaction? Ha.

I frequent Ars and the weirdness of them being negative on DLSS3 in their 4090 review then listing it as a pro for every other 4xxx series card launched and a minus against newly launched AMD cards is some sort of cognitive dissonance. Plenty of folks trust that outlet and others that don't use much nuance.

This ignore feature - I need to investigate this. It's been a long time since I wanted to do that really, I like seeing everything. I thought I could handle doing it manually, but it's a slog and I feel the need to read it all anyway. EDIT - WOAH. That just works. Amazing.

My (probably not) final words on the 4070Ti - launching this as a "4080" of any flavor would have been crazy and clearly they figured that out and backtracked to this. I am super curious as to who had enough clout to push back and had nvidia change course like they did. There has to be a story there, I hope we get to hear it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Surprisingly, you can still buy a Zotac model at $799 in US. Still available when I posted this.

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

Not anymore, but you can still buy an $839 MSI. Note it says right under the card:

In stock. Limit 20 per customer.

Remember this HW was originally had a target launch back in November, so the extra time for unlaunch and relaunch, probably built up a bit of excess stock.

 

[PJVol]

This is a massively disappointing 70 Ti release that would only be interesting if it was at a really compelling price.

Yes, I don't get all these comparisions to prev. flaghips and similar naming bull****.
But just looking at the 50-70% performance increase from the 3070Ti, it looks very decent to me ... (apart from pricing), unlike the mediocre 27% of RX 5700XT > 6700XT

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's almost like influencers... wait for it... influence? And then act surprised when other people parrot what they said? Or maybe even just trust them and make decisions with their wallet accordingly? Don't viewers know that they are playing the part of entertainer and performer and negativity sells/get clicks & interaction? Ha.

I frequent Ars and the weirdness of them being negative on DLSS3 in their 4090 review then listing it as a pro for every other 4xxx series card launched and a minus against newly launched AMD cards is some sort of cognitive dissonance. Plenty of folks trust that outlet and others that don't use much nuance.

This ignore feature - I need to investigate this. It's been a long time since I wanted to do that really, I like seeing everything. I thought I could handle doing it manually, but it's a slog and I feel the need to read it all anyway. EDIT - WOAH. That just works. Amazing.

My (probably not) final words on the 4070Ti - launching this as a "4080" of any flavor would have been crazy and clearly they figured that out and backtracked to this. I am super curious as to who had enough clout to push back and had nvidia change course like they did. There has to be a story there, I hope we get to hear it.

The ignore feature has a most positive impact on the user experience here. You can always see ignored content by looking at the bottom of the page under the last post. The show ignored content field; click and you can see all the viral marketing, deflection, trolling, and other silliness. That way you can remember why you turned it on in the first place.

The unlaunch of this GPU was done to mute the worst of the criticism. It worked brilliantly.

What has to be understood, is the 40 series has become Nvidia's victory lap. The 4070 TIE is them spraying champagne in everyone's faces. It is all over but the crying about the prices. I don't have the legal knowledge to say, but if it is possible for Nvidia to face an antitrust lawsuit, then they are dangerously close to that point now.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I don't have the legal knowledge to say, but if it is possible for Nvidia to face an antitrust lawsuit, then they are dangerously close to that point now.

For what?

 

[DeathReborn]

You can buy a Zotac Trinity base model in the UK for MSRP (£799) but other than that they are all £850+.

 

[moonbogg]

I feel bad for anybody that comes into this thread looking for a conversion on the reviews of the 4070Tie. It has been completely derailed to the point that it should just be locked at this point.

Can't blame the forum members for talking about the massive dumpster fire that is Nvidia's pricing strategy with the 4000 series. The prices are so insane they overshadow anything else about these products. You can't kick someone in the nuts and then expect them to talk about the weather.

 

[Stuka87]

Can't blame the forum members for talking about the massive dumpster fire that is Nvidia's pricing strategy with the 4000 series. The prices are so insane they overshadow anything else about these products. You can't kick someone in the nuts and then expect them to talk about the weather.

The talk about pricing isn't what I was referencing. Thats fairly on topic.

 

[xpea]

Are there any 4070ti models that are 280mm or shorter? My case won't fit much longer than that. I checked most models and the Gigabyte Eagle seems to be the shortest at 301mm.

Try the INNO3D X3, the smallest RTX 4070 Ti to my knowledge. Les than 300mm and only 2 slot

INNO3D GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti X3 OC | Inno3D - Graphics Cards

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