You're preaching to the choir here. I am using a 1660super out of a Dell build. Nvidia is playing a very dangerous game. Restricting supply in a down computer market while significantly increasing prices well above inflation.Maybe, but sadly I notice a trend of everything going up in price, regarding computer hardware. It seems to me that computer building is becoming increasingly premium market and low margins are in OEM machines. So basically you can build your own computer, but if money is tight, Dell is your answer. And there hasn't been cheap hardware for years, therefore it might be a point of no return for it.
Addictions (@ Nvidia) are hard to break.You're preaching to the choir here. I am using a 1660super out of a Dell build. Nvidia is playing a very dangerous game. Restricting supply in a down computer market while significantly increasing prices well above inflation.
I would hold off on graphics card purchases for probably 6 months. All of this market manipulation is hurting the PC industry. People will go back to using the same PC for 6 or 7 years.
You're preaching to the choir here. I am using a 1660super out of a Dell build. Nvidia is playing a very dangerous game. Restricting supply in a down computer market while significantly increasing prices well above inflation.
I would hold off on graphics card purchases for probably 6 months. All of this market manipulation is hurting the PC industry. People will go back to using the same PC for 6 or 7 years.
And the thing is that nVidia may not be wrong, because media at first said tha tprices are too high, but then they warmed up to them and see them as normal. Then forums and like half of reddit started seeing them as normal and now it just doesn't feel all that abnormal, despite still being in every way abnormal. I remember I cringed when 9900K was launched, because it was obscene, hardly any better than i7, way too hot and overall poo unless you wanted performance at any cost, now that's normal and office tier (non K series) i5 or i7 is basically in many aspects the same as 9900K and at first shocking price of 500-600 EUR is now not even flagship level anymore. Now 100C, 300 watts, GHz to the moon and 1k EUR is flagship level. I'm not even all that old, but ffs all this looks like complete and utter madness. It's not just price that went south. I think that so many bad standards and bad practices got normalized in recent years, especially by media, which makes f##ls believe that they are normal.You're preaching to the choir here. I am using a 1660super out of a Dell build. Nvidia is playing a very dangerous game. Restricting supply in a down computer market while significantly increasing prices well above inflation.
I would hold off on graphics card purchases for probably 6 months. All of this market manipulation is hurting the PC industry. People will go back to using the same PC for 6 or 7 years.
And the thing is that nVidia may not be wrong, because media at first said tha tprices are too high, but then they warmed up to them and see them as normal. Then forums and like half of reddit started seeing them as normal and now it just doesn't feel all that abnormal, despite still being in every way abnormal. I remember I cringed when 9900K was launched, because it was obscene, hardly any better than i7, way too hot and overall poo unless you wanted performance at any cost, now that's normal and office tier (non K series) i5 or i7 is basically in many aspects the same as 9900K and at first shocking price of 500-600 EUR is now not even flagship level anymore. Now 100C, 300 watts, GHz to the moon and 1k EUR is flagship level. I'm not even all that old, but ffs all this looks like complete and utter madness. It's not just price that went south. I think that so many bad standards and bad practices got normalized in recent years, especially by media, which makes f##ls believe that they are normal.
Don't know and don't care, when adequate GPUs went over 300 EUR, I lost all interest. Just like in old days, 200 EUR is normal, 100-150 EUR is entry, 300+ EUR is premium. My mind only managed to move by 50 EUR upwards, anything more than that just doesn't register well and doesn't matter. I wouldn't think about buying anything 400+ EUR at all.At some point gaming enthusiasts will hit a pricing wall where they can't or won't spend the money. How much do you think that pricing wall is? I'm guessing around $2500 for an 80 class.
All of the madness was caused by the crypto miners. That no longer exists and Nvidia is implying that high prices are here to stay. I think the steam survey says the most common GPU is still a 1060.And the thing is that nVidia may not be wrong, because media at first said tha tprices are too high, but then they warmed up to them and see them as normal. Then forums and like half of reddit started seeing them as normal and now it just doesn't feel all that abnormal, despite still being in every way abnormal. I remember I cringed when 9900K was launched, because it was obscene, hardly any better than i7, way too hot and overall poo unless you wanted performance at any cost, now that's normal and office tier (non K series) i5 or i7 is basically in many aspects the same as 9900K and at first shocking price of 500-600 EUR is now not even flagship level anymore. Now 100C, 300 watts, GHz to the moon and 1k EUR is flagship level. I'm not even all that old, but ffs all this looks like complete and utter madness. It's not just price that went south. I think that so many bad standards and bad practices got normalized in recent years, especially by media, which makes f##ls believe that they are normal.
I see exactly the same madness in CPUs, motherboards, monitors, keyboards, mouses, power supplies. It's more than miners.All of the madness was caused by the crypto miners. That no longer exists and Nvidia is implying that high prices are here to stay. I think the steam survey says the most common GPU is still a 1060.
As the market shrinks, I suppose they try to compensate with higher margins. It won't last.
I don't think it's fair to call a group of people trying to get the best value for their money a cult.There is already a lot of blowback online over the 4080 pricing. Crypto is gone, PC sales are way down but the price of GPU's seems to be increasing. It's going to take 3-5 months before Nvidia starts feeling the pain. Look at Intel, there are AMD cults for Ryzen all because of the greed of Intel for more than a decade. The only cure to such a sickness, cheap hardware cures all.
I don't think it's fair to call a group of people trying to get the best value for their money a cult.
Over 200% in a few yrs is not a normal increase. Anyone saying so is gaslighting.I think it's weird how us PC enthusiasts get pissed and all emotionally invested about PC parts that cost a few hundred bucks. I wonder if people get all bent out of shape on fishing pole forums and stuff when a new reel costs more than the previous model. Then again, PCs are unique because you have to keep buying new ones to stay current and capable, so I guess it does make sense.
Over 200% in a few yrs is not a normal increase. Anyone saying so is gaslighting.
Fishing pole and reel community getting bent out of shape? I see what you did there.I think it's weird how us PC enthusiasts get pissed and all emotionally invested about PC parts that cost a few hundred bucks. I wonder if people get all bent out of shape on fishing pole forums and stuff when a new reel costs more than the previous model. Then again, PCs are unique because you have to keep buying new ones to stay current and capable, so I guess it does make sense.
That's just false, because I do criticize AMD tech as well, while you consistently show huge bias, including seeing 'vaseline' blurriness that no one else seems to see.
I didn't know that you are part of both the Nvidia and AMD developer teams and have inside information how many man-hours each company spent on this.
In any case, FSR's quality has also improved by leaps and bounds.
You seem to have this magical belief in ML, but the advantage of Nvidia could be explained by them having a substantial lead start. Nvidia also have a lead in raytracing, but you can't attribute that lead to ML.
Of course the difference between XeSS on Intel & DLSS vs FSR 2 is that the former use unique hardware, while AMD provides a solution that works about equally well on all hardware. Nvidia has a habit of leaving owners of previous gen cards out in the cold, while AMD doesn't.
You poor persecuted soul especially how lovingly you've treated members that tend to buy certain brandsLOL at the AMD dudes downvoting me because of my opinions
Talk about intolerance......
And you claim I don't know what I'm talking about. The RT accelerator cores that AMD employs aren't like the ones that Nvidia uses. Nvidia uses dedicated RT cores that are a separate hardware block, while the ones that AMD uses are integrated into the GPU compute units themselves.
And they are doing just that, but it's not the same thing as dedicated RT hardware that Nvidia uses. AMD's approach is more hybridized.
Prices ARE getting saner. I'm also from Eastern Europe and just bought a 6800XT for 620 EUR. Remove the VAT, convert to dollars and you get the equivalent of $530 in US, which is around the better deals currently available there.I remember somebody here saying that card prices are now getting lower and saner, meanwhile this is for how much cards go at various Lithuanian retailers:
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Fun fact is that it's literally cheaper to fly to UK, buy a card, get sh$t-faced drunk for 2-3 days and come back.
I'm going to time stamp the blurry trees in the YouTube video. FSR is in the middle and it looks noticeably more blurry to me compared to TAA and DLSS. If you can't see it, I'm not going to accuse you of being bias towards AMD just because...