Like I just said, that's some freudian stuff right there.
While I could easily buy RTX 4090, my biggest issue with it (price aside) is the power consumption. Personally I think that 250 W max should be plenty and ideally even lower. RTX 4080 is almost acceptable but it's not optimal (same thing for 7900 XT/XTX). It also bothers me quite a bit that NVIDIA didn't include DP2.0/2.1 ports when even Intel Arc cards have it.
But since I do care about value, I just can't justify the price especially for RTX 4080. It's insane and nobody should be buying. It gives wrong signal.
Power consumption is important for me thus RTX 4090 is out of the question. The amount of heat it dumps in your room just is too much (also more heat, more noise). When I buy a GPU it needs to suit my needs. Absolute performance is of course important but not the main factor.The power consumption argument isn't really persuasive I think when you consider how powerful the RTX 4090 is and what it is capable of. This is the first GPU in history that makes high end 4K gaming with advanced effects like RT not only viable, but very performant. RT is the holy grail of modern graphics and it's amazing that developers and consumers can access that technology in a meaningful way.
Also, the actual in game power consumption is significantly less than the RTX 3090 Ti for the average gaming workload (while offering much greater performance), and it only balloons up in RT heavy titles like CBP 2077 when DLSS is not used. When DLSS (and likely FG as well) is used in conjunction however, then the power consumption drops significantly.
Value buying is perfectly fine and sensical. I think people are going to buy the RTX 4080, but they are just waiting for the RDNA3 reviews to drop so they can make their final decision once they see how the 7900 XTX performs in comparison.
The RTX 4080 is a well balanced card with high performance per watt. But like other high end cards, it's overpriced due to lack of competition in that market segment.
Nah, they'll just keep pretending. It's OK, because anyone who reads the entire thread in an objective manner will see exactly what started this argument........and it wasn't purchase history.
Power consumption is important for me
FYI power consumption is at direct odds with RT in games. It may not seem that way because we tend to compare uncapped performance between raster and RT enabled settings, but enabling RT in a controlled performance environment can highlight a big power penalty.I always max out everything in games and I do value RT so RT performance is important to me
While I could easily buy RTX 4090, my biggest issue with it (price aside) is the power consumption. Personally I think that 250 W max should be plenty and ideally even lower. RTX 4080 is almost acceptable but it's not optimal (same thing for 7900 XT/XTX). It also bothers me quite a bit that NVIDIA didn't include DP2.0/2.1 ports when even Intel Arc cards have it.
But since I do care about value, I just can't justify the price especially for RTX 4080. It's insane and nobody should be buying. It gives wrong signal.
This is exactly what your agenda is! A user tells you that it's their preference to use a card with lower power consumption, a statement based on their preference, not specifications or empirical data, and you still argue that they're wrong! It's literally their freaking choice! 😂The power consumption argument isn't really persuasive I think when you consider how powerful the RTX 4090 is and what it is capable of. This is the first GPU in history that makes high end 4K gaming with advanced effects like RT not only viable, but very performant. RT is the holy grail of modern graphics and it's amazing that developers and consumers can access that technology in a meaningful way.
Of course it's all based on the user. But I think the majority of people would prefer to buy a card and use it closer to it's limits rather than cap a more expensive card. If I get the same performance from a $700 card vs capping a $1600 card for instance, why should I buy the $1600 card?FYI power consumption is at direct odds with RT in games. It may not seem that way because we tend to compare uncapped performance between raster and RT enabled settings, but enabling RT in a controlled performance environment can highlight a big power penalty.
Case in point I ran Cyberpunk 2077 with a 75 FPS cap. Then I switched on ray tracing. Reported GPU power jumped from 130-150W to 250-270W for the same net result of 75 FPS. Obviously, this wasn't the RT computation alone, but also raster performance being pushed harder to compensate. To illustrate, if you have a fixed 75 FPS thus ~13ms frame time allocation and RT comes in "stealing" 4ms, then the GPU must perform raster ops in 9ms instead, therefore pushing the equivalent of 110+ FPS. Energy usage goes up a lot even if RT power cost is zero.
I think people should take a moment and be honest to themselves about the performance /power balance they consider acceptable. Just like with CPUs recently, it's not just the vendor that dictates power, but also the user. If you think of all the levers you have available to customize your experience (power caps, FPS caps of all flavors, detail settings, DLSS/FSR, RT etc) I would argue that power consumption is ultimately under your control as long as the vendor designed a good product. The only real problem is cost, that parameter is very adverse to user customization
3070 is awful for its 8GB VRAM limitation. You should definitely sell it if you can, for a decent price. You may be able to get a Zotac or a Gigabyte 4080 card. ASUS/MSI sell out more quickly.Wondering if it makes sense to sell my 3070 so my out of pocket cost for a 4080 would be more like 800 to 900 ish?
If the price of the 4080 goes down after Amd releases their gpu do you guys think(guess) its going to be hard to grab a 4080? Wondering if it makes sense to sell my 3070 so my out of pocket cost for a 4080 would be more like 800 to 900 ish?
No Surprise, but it looks like 4080 is selling poorly, while the 4090 keeps selling out. This is pretty much expected because once you are over a $1000 for a GPU you probably aren't looking at a value buyer, and for them a couple hundred more to have the "best" GPU probably makes more sense than saving 20% and settling for second best.
I've never seen an Nvidia or Intel user actively complain about what other people buy, only AMD users.
I criticize AMD harshly because they are the reason why Nvidia can get away with charging exorbitant fees for their products. Because AMD is unable or unwilling to compete on the high end. It's the same reason why Intel was able to get away with a lot of things in the pre-Zen era.
The Ventus may have better cooling. But the FE should be good too.I have the following options available thru Bestbuy
4080 FE 1199
MSI Venus 1249
Tuff 1399
wonder if i should just grab the FE
Perf/watt, power consumption, and noise (along with other factors such as card size and price) are valid reasons to not consider buying a 4090. I could buy a 4090 right now, but I don’t because other features are more important to me than raw performance.The power consumption argument isn't really persuasive I think when you consider how powerful the RTX 4090 is and what it is capable of. This is the first GPU in history that makes high end 4K gaming with advanced effects like RT not only viable, but very performant. RT is the holy grail of modern graphics and it's amazing that developers and consumers can access that technology in a meaningful way.
Also, the actual in game power consumption is significantly less than the RTX 3090 Ti for the average gaming workload (while offering much greater performance), and it only balloons up in RT heavy titles like CBP 2077 when DLSS is not used. When DLSS (and likely FG as well) is used in conjunction however, then the power consumption drops significantly.
Value buying is perfectly fine and sensical. I think people are going to buy the RTX 4080, but they are just waiting for the RDNA3 reviews to drop so they can make their final decision once they see how the 7900 XTX performs in comparison.
The RTX 4080 is a well balanced card with high performance per watt. But like other high end cards, it's overpriced due to lack of competition in that market segment.
Power consumption is important for me thus RTX 4090 is out of the question. The amount of heat it dumps in your room just is too much (also more heat, more noise). When I buy a GPU it needs to suit my needs. Absolute performance is of course important but not the main factor.
I always max out everything in games and I do value RT so RT performance is important to me (and I think it is going to be important in the future). RTX 4080 has potential to be a great card but currently it's 700-1000 € too pricey.
Wait, did you buy a new 4000 series card? You're definitely a bad boy for not waiting another entire month to buy a $1000 inferior AMD product instead. Make me sick.
This is exactly what your agenda is! A user tells you that it's their preference to use a card with lower power consumption, a statement based on their preference, not specifications or empirical data, and you still argue that they're wrong! It's literally their freaking choice! 😂
I have the following options available thru Bestbuy
4080 FE 1199
MSI Venus 1249
Tuff 1399
wonder if i should just grab the FE
This argument, no matter the realm of product always amazes me. Because like Intel or Nvidia or Samsung could just run a business fairly and wisely? Naive I know, especially if the company is publically traded. No, its the fault of the competition not showing up. Not short term greed by intel etc..
This argument, no matter the realm of product always amazes me. Because like Intel or Nvidia or Samsung could just run a business fairly and wisely? Naive I know, especially if the company is publically traded. No, its the fault of the competition not showing up. Not short term greed by intel etc..
Considering some 3000 series cards still sell at over MSRP in some places, I wouldn't put my hopes up. Expect nVidia to bleed it's mindshare dronies like stuck pigs. So you, me and many other conscious buyers will continue to get terrible value from GeForce GPUs.If the price of the 4080 goes down after Amd releases their gpu do you guys think(guess) its going to be hard to grab a 4080? Wondering if it makes sense to sell my 3070 so my out of pocket cost for a 4080 would be more like 800 to 900 ish?
The moment the Ryzen 5000 series surpassed Intel was the moment AMD raised price of a 6 core CPU from $200 to $300, because they sensed they had a lead so could drastically increase their prices.