44 degrees Celcius.. is that normal in BIOS Idle?

[keplenk]

Hi,

I have a question about my CPU temp using the stock Intel Heatsink.

I just built my new computer today. My specs are:

GA-P35-DS3L / E2180 / 2gb 1.8v A-data ddr2800 sticks / Inno3D 7600GT / etc

After successfully putting all the basic parts like vid, cpu, mobo, psu, mem (just for successful post) ... I entered the BIOS ... left the computer running because I ate (about 30 mins) ..

When I came back, I went to PC Health Status and noticed that my cpu is running at

44C = cpu temp

fan speed = 1245rpm
*SMART FAN is enabled


No overclocking was done .. everything is running at stock speed.

I live in asia and its actually hot here .. its about 29-36C weather temp ALL THE TIME .. lol

Is this a normal temp of a CPU, running inside the BIOS (of course, its IDLE)?

This is my first Intel PC (I use AMD usually) ... Please help.

Thank you very much.

 

[JustaGeek]

Disable the Smart Fan - the CPU fan RPM should be about 2000.

In this weather, with an ambient temperature so high, you want the fan to operate at the maximum RPM.

Also, disable C1E and Speed Step in BIOS - again, to keep the CPU fan at the max RPM.

44C would be normal - it's only 8C higher than the ambient temp after all.

 

[Regalk]

What is your temp in WINDOWS using CORETEMP? Should be closer to 40C or below. If you just installed with Intel stock then perhaps that is about right in BIOS. My guess at load it will only be 49 or 50C so you shouldbe fine - if you overclock then monitor temps

 

[amenx]

Dont disable EIST (I think referred to as speedstep) It helps in reducing temps by lowering the multi to 6 when in idle.

 

[perdomot]

I'm starting to suspect that there is some kind of issue between C2D CPUs and Gigabyte mobos sensors. I have an e4400 OC'd to 3Ghz that is running at 46 degrees idle. Ambient temp here is 22 degrees. I have a Big Typhoon cooler on it. A 24 degree difference is too much IMHO especially with a strong cooler on it. I get the 46 degree temp using Coretemp but other programs like Speedfan say its 31 degrees. When I encode video, the temps jump another 20 degrees into the mid 60s. Considering the results I find on the web are considerably better with similar cooling and measuring programs, I think its either the mobo or the cpu sensor that is having issues. My money is on the mobo.

 

[JustaGeek]

Originally posted by: amenx
Dont disable EIST (I think referred to as speedstep) It helps in reducing temps by lowering the multi to 6 when in idle.

Good point - although it might give him a false sense of security, since the idle temperature will be lower, but will shoot up under load nevertheless.

I believe that C1E and Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology (EIST) are great for the laptops, but play a minimal "power-saving" role in desktop applications, adversely affecting performance.

It might only be a fraction of a second to change the multi, but I want the full power of my CPU to be available instantenously, especially in gaming.

 

[DSF]

Originally posted by: keplenk
Hi,

I have a question about my CPU temp using the stock Intel Heatsink.

I just built my new computer today. My specs are:

GA-P35-DS3L / E2180 / 2gb 1.8v A-data ddr2800 sticks / Inno3D 7600GT / etc

After successfully putting all the basic parts like vid, cpu, mobo, psu, mem (just for successful post) ... I entered the BIOS ... left the computer running because I ate (about 30 mins) ..

When I came back, I went to PC Health Status and noticed that my cpu is running at

44C = cpu temp

fan speed = 1245rpm
*SMART FAN is enabled


No overclocking was done .. everything is running at stock speed.

I live in asia and its actually hot here .. its about 29-36C weather temp ALL THE TIME .. lol

Is this a normal temp of a CPU, running inside the BIOS (of course, its IDLE)?

This is my first Intel PC (I use AMD usually) ... Please help.

Thank you very much.

If your ambient temps are as high as 36C, you're probably fine. These chips can be run up to 70C without any problems. If you're using the stock heatsink, just double check and make sure all the pins are all the way down.

Monitor your temperatures in Windows using CoreTemp, and if they're going above 65C, then consider forcing the fan to run full speed as JustaGeek suggested. That probably won't be necessary though, in my opinion.

@JustaGeek - Gaming is enough of a load that you shouldn't be operating at your lower multiplier once you're in the game anyway. I have it enabled, and it's never been a problem for me.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: JustaGeek

Originally posted by: amenx
Dont disable EIST (I think referred to as speedstep) It helps in reducing temps by lowering the multi to 6 when in idle.

I believe that C1E and Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology (EIST) are great for the laptops, but play a minimal "power-saving" role in desktop applications, adversely affecting performance.

It might only be a fraction of a second to change the multi, but I want the full power of my CPU to be available instantenously, especially in gaming.

Has anyone done a study to see if it really is a perceptible difference? Once you're in-game, the CPU is probably loaded enough to keep it in the highest-performance power state.

 

[JustaGeek]

When I had mine enabled, I had an impression that something WAS holding me back.

Again - an impression. Possibly - an illusion.

But what is the advantage in a desktop...?

I can understand someone with a high OC letting his CPU "rest" on idle, but otherwise - is there really any measurable gain, or any advantage at all...?

 

[keplenk]

Hi guys,

Thanks for your quick replies. Its very helpful

I just installed windows xp So far its good and fast (maybe nothing is installed yet)

I just installed XP and did a windows update. I'm not planning to install anything yet. even AV/Firewall .. just windows xp and full updates.

The reason behind this is to run stress test / stability test programs only. After I find that it is stable, I'll reformat my pc and install Vista (maybe not, lol) ..

Rightnow I have EIST and C1E enabled and I ran CoreTemp and SpeedFan:

Here are some screenshots:

*Note: When I ran these programs, those are the only programs running which makes it idle? I think

CoreTemp Screenshot:

Coretemp Link

Speedfan:

Speedfan 3.34 beta 38

I'll also try JustaGeek's suggestion. Thanks for the input also.

What do you think of these temps? I hope I got it right. Please forgive me if I made those screenshots wrong

BTW, can you suggest any programs to test the stability of this system (using WinXP)

Should I use the same stress test programs they use for OCing?

I'm planning to run memtest after posting this .. run it for 8 hours After memtest .. ill go for the programs that you will suggest.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[Mondoman]

The other possibility, of course, is that the Intel CPU cooler is not quite properly attached, which would give similar symptoms. Two key things are: 1) install it while the motherboard is still out of the case, since otherwise the pins may not push all the way through and 2) before pushing the pins, make sure each pin is turned *completely* in the direction *opposite the arrow on top* (the arrows are for *removal* of the cooler). Here's a link to more details: http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...part-assembly#t1184072

 

[amenx]

Originally posted by: keplenk
Hi guys,

Thanks for your quick replies. Its very helpful

I just installed windows xp So far its good and fast (maybe nothing is installed yet)

I just installed XP and did a windows update. I'm not planning to install anything yet. even AV/Firewall .. just windows xp and full updates.

The reason behind this is to run stress test / stability test programs only. After I find that it is stable, I'll reformat my pc and install Vista (maybe not, lol) ..

Rightnow I have EIST and C1E enabled and I ran CoreTemp and SpeedFan:

Here are some screenshots:

*Note: When I ran these programs, those are the only programs running which makes it idle? I think

CoreTemp Screenshot:

Coretemp Link

Speedfan:

Speedfan 3.34 beta 38

I'll also try JustaGeek's suggestion. Thanks for the input also.

What do you think of these temps? I hope I got it right. Please forgive me if I made those screenshots wrong

BTW, can you suggest any programs to test the stability of this system (using WinXP)

Should I use the same stress test programs they use for OCing?

I'm planning to run memtest after posting this .. run it for 8 hours After memtest .. ill go for the programs that you will suggest.

Thanks again for your help.

The temps in your screenshot are excellent (if accurate) and if the PC has been on for a while. So load temps will probably be OK. Orthos is a good CPU stress test (also does RAM), though no point in stressing the RAM unless your OC'ing.

 

[amenx]

Originally posted by: Mondoman
The other possibility, of course, is that the Intel CPU cooler is not quite properly attached, which would give similar symptoms. Two key things are: 1) install it while the motherboard is still out of the case, since otherwise the pins may not push all the way through and 2) before pushing the pins, make sure each pin is turned *completely* in the direction *opposite the arrow on top* (the arrows are for *removal* of the cooler). Here's a link to more details: http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...part-assembly#t1184072

When the CPU cooler is not attached properly, the temp will shoot up to 80c very quickly and shut down your PC, happened to me once.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm guessing keplenk is in Indonesia or somewhere near the equator. News today talked about snowstorms in China, with problems for people getting home for Chinese New Year.

Your low-end ambient is about 84 Fahrenheit, Dawwg!! I thought Southern California was bad . . . .

You could still lower those temperatures. At a 72F room-ambient (about 22C), your idle temperature would still be 37C, and at that room-ambient, more attention to fan-deployment, thermal paste, IHS and heatsink lapping should bring down the idle value several degrees.

I've got an E2180 here with stock cooler, lapped IHS and diamond paste. It's over-clocked 33% to 2.67 Ghz, although the VCORE is still "Auto" and around 1.347V. Here, the room-ambient has been 65F, and the idle TCASE temperature has been about 20C. The load temperature reaches about 40 to 42C for TCASE. Normalizing for your 84F or 29C room-ambient, that means about 31C idle, and 53C load. That's in terms of TCASE -- what's reported in BIOS. The core temperatures would be somewhere around 63 to 66C.

I'm guessing that you could lower your temperatures 5 to 6C by attention to the factors I mentioned.

 

[keplenk]

Hey guys,

Thanks for your replies. Again, all of them are very helpful.

I'm actually thinking of lapping the IHS but I just want to make sure that everything is working ok first before I do that (avoid voiding the warranty )

I just ran Memtest86 3.4 and it ran for about 12 hours .. passed all test (8 passes)

Now, I'm thinking of running orthos just for the heck of it

I'll go to our nearest computer stores and check out some aftermarket HFS .. I hope I can find a cheap one.

I should have bought that HFS (Artic 7) at Newegg, tsktsk. I actually bought all the parts in the US and brought the parts in my home country (check-in baggage) ..

One good advice .. don't do that!! Bubble wraps are not enough .. and make sure .. tell the airline attendant to put "fragile" in the bag!! lol

Anyway... ill do some stress test and report back.

Thanks for your help!

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Keplenk --

With these low-end E21x0 processors, you'll have to decide if aftermarket coolers are worth it. Even a less effective -- mid-performance cooler might help these CPUs. In my thinking, if you were going to spend $25 on such a cooler, you'd do even better to get a ThermalRight Ultima 90 if you could find it for less than $50.

But it's obvious that I'm satisfied with these stock coolers that came with the Intel retail box. I've got the fittings for putting some spare XP-90 coolers on them, and have almost convinced myself that it's not worth the trouble.

In your case, with those types of room-ambients, some improvement over the stock Intel cooler probably IS worth it.