46% of NASCAR fans don't like Toyota entering the Nextel Cup in 2007

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: SampSon
I thought in order to enter NASCAR you had to have a current product American car.

Originally posted by: NFS4

They build cars here in America.

Camry - Built by Americans
Corolla - same
Tundra - same
Tacoma - same
Sequoia - same
Avalon, Solara, Matrix - same

Toyota just built a new truck plant in Texas and just got approved to build a dev center in Detroit. Only an a$$ would deny them entry into NASCAR

Engineered in japan - that makes them foreign. As a mechanical engineering student its those jobs going overseas that directly worries me (not that I'm aiming at a career in the automotive business).

Uhh, most of the vehicles that Toyota builds for the American market are designed an engineered at Toyota's design/engineering studios in the United States (Camry, Avalon, Tundra, Sequoia, Sienna, FJ Cruiser, etc). The new studio in Detroit will also be adding to that mix.

Nice try!

Look. Stop trying to play hte whole outsourcing game. You know as a ME student, ME is an OUTDATED study. So is EE and CS and what not. Being an EECS student I know that my jobs are getting outsourced, and I know that is part of the economy, and I'm FINE with it. Why? Because I know BioE and other jobs are a lot hotter right now, so just face it. American car companies can't do the job well, just le thte foreign companies do their work.

Oh and come on. People don't by the US built Camry. People still want the Japanese edition. My Camry is from Japan.

 

[TheSlamma]

They are just mad cause the Toyo's won't have to pit as much

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: SampSon
I thought in order to enter NASCAR you had to have a current product American car.

Originally posted by: NFS4

They build cars here in America.

Camry - Built by Americans
Corolla - same
Tundra - same
Tacoma - same
Sequoia - same
Avalon, Solara, Matrix - same

Toyota just built a new truck plant in Texas and just got approved to build a dev center in Detroit. Only an a$$ would deny them entry into NASCAR

Engineered in japan - that makes them foreign. As a mechanical engineering student its those jobs going overseas that directly worries me (not that I'm aiming at a career in the automotive business).

Uhh, most of the vehicles that Toyota builds for the American market are designed an engineered at Toyota's design/engineering studios in the United States (Camry, Avalon, Tundra, Sequoia, Sienna, FJ Cruiser, etc). The new studio in Detroit will also be adding to that mix.

Nice try!

Look. Stop trying to play hte whole outsourcing game. You know as a ME student, ME is an OUTDATED study. So is EE and CS and what not. Being an EECS student I know that my jobs are getting outsourced, and I know that is part of the economy, and I'm FINE with it. Why? Because I know BioE and other jobs are a lot hotter right now, so just face it. American car companies can't do the job well, just le thte foreign companies do their work.

Oh and come on. People don't by the US built Camry. People still want the Japanese edition. My Camry is from Japan.

Huh? Who are you responding to? Me or LordMorpheus?

That being said, I believe that 90% of Camrys sold in the US are made in the US. The rest come from Japan. I could be wrong though...

 

[NutBucket]

Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: DVK916
What do you expect. A lot of racist white people watch NASCAR.

Don't know about that. Most NASCAR fans I've met seem pretty nice.

Let me guess, you are white?

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

So let me get this straight. An American team and Japanese team both get the same parts to assemble two identical cars. Assuming the same quality control the Japanese car is just somehow better?

And, even if that were true, why on earth would Toyota continue to open factories in the US if their reputation was to be put on the line?

Futhermore, if it was true how have Toyota's quality and reliability remained so high given the increasingly growing number of models assembled in the US?

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

That is utter and complete BS.

And don't use the term "Jap", you ignoramus.

 

[imthebadguy]

hahaha i dont like it either, but for different reasons

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: deftron
It's more of a Natiionality thing than race


I lived in Japan when an American was the Sumo chanpo

and all the Japanese hated him

Nah. I'd glady support Honda if they wanted to race in NASCAR. I liked Honda when they were involved with CART racing....hated Toyota though. For me its about product association.

fvcks no. honda does not need to enter NSACAR! honda needs to go back to it's glory days like the mid-80s in F1.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: m2kewl

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: deftron
It's more of a Natiionality thing than race


I lived in Japan when an American was the Sumo chanpo

and all the Japanese hated him

Nah. I'd glady support Honda if they wanted to race in NASCAR. I liked Honda when they were involved with CART racing....hated Toyota though. For me its about product association.

fvcks no. honda does not need to enter NSACAR! honda needs to go back to it's glory days like the mid-80s in F1.

I didn't say they should. I just said I would support them if they did. Get it right.

 

[Svnla]

Would that be funny if a Camry does a spinning doughnut at Talladega 500 while millions of hicks watching in horror? LOL.


Announcer voice ***Driver Yuko Tanasaki from team Toyota won his 5th straight and on his way to win the Nextel cup this year***

That would be a fun thing to watch. Toyota will pass GM as the world largest auto maker and now this.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
fvcks no. honda does not need to enter NSACAR! honda needs to go back to it's glory days like the mid-80s in F1.

Well they were the only team to bring two 06 cars in the tests this week. I guess that shows they're pretty fscking serious. But everyone else is too... except for Mercedes who built another crap engine.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: bR

Originally posted by: m2kewl
fvcks no. honda does not need to enter NSACAR! honda needs to go back to it's glory days like the mid-80s in F1.

Well they were the only team to bring two 06 cars in the tests this week. I guess that shows they're pretty fscking serious. But everyone else is too... except for Mercedes who built another crap engine.

YES, yes! imagine honda going 1-2-3-4...ahh the power of dreams!

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

So let me get this straight. An American team and Japanese team both get the same parts to assemble two identical cars. Assuming the same quality control the Japanese car is just somehow better?

And, even if that were true, why on earth would Toyota continue to open factories in the US if their reputation was to be put on the line?

Futhermore, if it was true how have Toyota's quality and reliability remained so high given the increasingly growing number of models assembled in the US?

The most important part of the equation is the parts themselves, not the final assembly. Many parts are nearly identical, but those made in Japan are built to tighter tolerances than the US equivalents.

They have maintained their high reliability in the past by continuing to use Japanese built engines and transmissions in US built cars. That isn't true anymore, but US quality has improved.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

That is utter and complete BS.

And don't use the term "Jap", you ignoramus.

Don't be such an ignoramus yourself. FYI, I abbreviated the term "Japanese" to "Jap" just as I abbreviated the term "United States" to "US".

 

[Atheus]

And why is american sport so insular anyway? Given how well they could compete with the rest of the world, why don't they? America plays american football while the rest of the world plays football (soccer) and rugby, same with baseball and cricket, etc... I heard they even have the baseball 'world series' in which no other country is allowed to compete!

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: deftron
Aren't all the cars really the same.

just the name on them is different?

Unfortunatley.

35 years ago the Nascar cars, looked like real cars;
that you and I could go and buy.

The Nascar cars now all look the same,
except for the grille.

Sad

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: deftron
Aren't all the cars really the same.

just the name on them is different?

Unfortunatley.

35 years ago the Nascar cars, looked like real cars;
that you and I could go and buy.

The Nascar cars now all look the same,
except for the grille.

Sad

Yes but the fact that it says Toyota apparenly pisses some people off.

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: DVK916
What do you expect. A lot of racist white people watch NASCAR.

OMG...:roll:

Yeah, whatever. Now we have statistics to back up our common sense. I think 46% qualifies as a lot.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: MBentz
Anyone who calls someone racist simply because they do not want Toyota in the Nextel Cup league is simply a fool.

Won't matter anyhow. All the drivers capable of winning a championship are already signed up with Chevy, Ford, Pontiac or Dodge.

GM pulled the plug on Pontiac's NASCAR hopes at the end of 2003.

 

[essasin]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: deftron
Aren't all the cars really the same.

just the name on them is different?

Unfortunatley.

35 years ago the Nascar cars, looked like real cars;
that you and I could go and buy.

The Nascar cars now all look the same,
except for the grille.

Sad

But it is actually more of a good thing than bad...it makes for an even playing field where one car is not more aerodynamic than another. With all the restrictions going on...a slight edge can make a huge difference.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

So let me get this straight. An American team and Japanese team both get the same parts to assemble two identical cars. Assuming the same quality control the Japanese car is just somehow better?

And, even if that were true, why on earth would Toyota continue to open factories in the US if their reputation was to be put on the line?

Futhermore, if it was true how have Toyota's quality and reliability remained so high given the increasingly growing number of models assembled in the US?

The most important part of the equation is the parts themselves, not the final assembly. Many parts are nearly identical, but those made in Japan are built to tighter tolerances than the US equivalents.

They have maintained their high reliability in the past by continuing to use Japanese built engines and transmissions in US built cars. That isn't true anymore, but US quality has improved.

I can't believe I'm arguing this point. So you're saying that if you take an American car, lets say a Cobalt, and made all the parts in Japan, it'd automatically be more reliable than its US built counterpart?

Furthermore, you're telling me that because the plant is in the US and not Japan that somehow the tooling is by definition different?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: DVK916
What do you expect. A lot of racist white people watch NASCAR.

Don't know about that. Most NASCAR fans I've met seem pretty nice.

Let me guess, you are white?

Let me guess, your an asshole?

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Uh, you usually have no choice. Are you honestly going to tell me people search for a Made in Japan car? I HIGHLY doubt it. For the record its plain dumb luck that our last Accord ('91) and Camry ('00) were made in Japan.

Would I want a Japanese built Legacy vs. one built in Indiana? What's the difference so long as its the car I want. Labor is labor, its all about quality control.

Yes, many people still search for and buy only Japanese built Camrys, and having had my hands on quite a few of both Jap and US built Camrys I can understand why. The Jap built Camrys are simply better built.

So let me get this straight. An American team and Japanese team both get the same parts to assemble two identical cars. Assuming the same quality control the Japanese car is just somehow better?

And, even if that were true, why on earth would Toyota continue to open factories in the US if their reputation was to be put on the line?

Futhermore, if it was true how have Toyota's quality and reliability remained so high given the increasingly growing number of models assembled in the US?

The most important part of the equation is the parts themselves, not the final assembly. Many parts are nearly identical, but those made in Japan are built to tighter tolerances than the US equivalents.

They have maintained their high reliability in the past by continuing to use Japanese built engines and transmissions in US built cars. That isn't true anymore, but US quality has improved.

I can't believe I'm arguing this point. So you're saying that if you take an American car, lets say a Cobalt, and made all the parts in Japan, it'd automatically be more reliable than its US built counterpart?

Furthermore, you're telling me that because the plant is in the US and not Japan that somehow the tooling is by definition different?

*sigh*

Yes