4870 x2 still worth buying?

antandshar

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I'mlooking at buying a 4870 X2 for £100 and wondered if the card was any good? I've read about a lot of issues with this card and wondered if it worth the money?
 

nenforcer

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It doesn't support DirectX 11 and even though it was a good card for its time (and still performs well) I don't know if its worth sinking any money into a 3 year old video card. (both warranty wise and longevity wise)

I've been looking at some 9800 GX 2 video cards and thought about trying a quad SLI build but it's just not worth it when new cards will outperform it for less power along with newer features.
 

antandshar

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Basically, I have around £70 and my old ATI 4850 512mb for trade. If I take it to my local CEX store I can trade the 4850 for £36 giving me £106 for a card in their store. They give a full 1years warranty with all cards,but the only decent ones they have in my price bracket are: 4870 x2, 4850 x2, 1gb 4870, GTX 460 768mb. which, if any would give a marked performance over the 4850 and would be worth getting?
 

peonyu

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Basically, I have around £70 and my old ATI 4850 512mb for trade. If I take it to my local CEX store I can trade the 4850 for £36 giving me £106 for a card in their store. They give a full 1years warranty with all cards,but the only decent ones they have in my price bracket are: 4870 x2, 4850 x2, 1gb 4870, GTX 460 768mb. which, if any would give a marked performance over the 4850 and would be worth getting?


If you are on such a low budget then by all means grab a 4870x2. Its old tech though, you wont see any new features in games that you cant already use/see on your 4850...But it will be much faster. The only issue besides it not being DX11 is driver issues, the X2 might not have good X2 support for newer games.

As far as the 4850x2 goes avoid that at all costs, it was rare when it was released and everything I read said that the card has/had all kinds of issues. 4870x2 on the other hand has always sounded very reliable [that is going off of user feedback and reviews].
 

toyota

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antandshar, please list ALL of your specs including resolution you intend to play at.
 

Mistwalker

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Basically, I have around £70 and my old ATI 4850 512mb for trade. If I take it to my local CEX store I can trade the 4850 for £36 giving me £106 for a card in their store. They give a full 1years warranty with all cards,but the only decent ones they have in my price bracket are: 4870 x2, 4850 x2, 1gb 4870, GTX 460 768mb. which, if any would give a marked performance over the 4850 and would be worth getting?
Pretty much agree with peonyu, the 4870x2 is the only one that will give you a marked increase in performance (avoid the 4850x2!) and mine performed like a champ for two years. Ended up replacing it because it ran hot and loud, but you will definitely notice the extra power, if not any extra features.
 

crisium

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Radeon 6870, 5870, 6950 will provide similar performance at far less power consumption. They will also have DX 11, if you are interested in that.

If you are a patient man, wait for 6870 to hit £100. With proper scaling a 4870X2 is indeed faster than a 6870, but it doesn't always scale great and it's a hot and loud.
 

antandshar

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How loud is loud for the 4870 x2? I've seen a 6850 for £110 and a 5850 for £130. I could scrape up the extra if it would be worth it?
 

antandshar

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Specs are: AMD Athlon X250 AM3@ 3.0ghz, 2gbDDR800, 250gb Western Digital, Biostar AM2+ M/B, ATI Radeon 4850 512mb, OCZ Modxtreme 500w sli psu, Windows 7 ultimate.
 

GotNoRice

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I run two of these cards in Quad-Crossfire and have continued to be satisfied enough with their performance that I decided to continue using them even after upgrading to a Sandy Bridge CPU/Mobo.

I notice that whenever discussion on these cards come up there are often a lot of misconceptions and outdated information that gets posted.

Drivers. Some claim that these cards no longer benefit from the latest drivers. That is not the case. These cards are capable of using the very latest Catalyst drivers and Caps and benefit greatly from doing so. They clearly benefit even from the latest BF3 and Rage preview drivers.

The last notable driver issue occurred last year. Starting with 10.6 they made changes to the driver that broke the internal crossfire in the 4870x2. Users of these cards stuck with the 10.4 or 10.5 drivers until the problem was addressed directly with the 10.8b and 10.9a hotfix drivers. Starting with 10.10, the fix was integrated in the main driver and there have been no issues since. Even during the gap you could still use the latest Caps on top of the slightly older driver. This, however, occurred during a time when many were already considering replacing their 4870x2 cards, and pushed many to do so. Since those users had already abandoned their cards by the time the hotfixes came, many assume the drivers were never fixed and that you would still be stuck with 10.5 - but that's not the case.

Scaling. Crossfire has improved dramatically in the last 3 years, especially after they began releasing CAPs separate from the main driver. The 4870x2 has benefited from nearly all of these improvements. Unfortunately most reviews of this card date back to when it was released and don't show any of these improvements. Suffice it to say that scaling with these cards is not an issue. In most demanding games I see all 4 of my GPUs at 95%+, I'm not sure what more I could ask for.

DX11 Support. While the 4870x2 is DX10.1 and not DX11, it's important to understand exactly what that means to an end user. What it doesn't do is restrict you from playing a DirectX11 game, in DirectX11.

That is because DirectX11 was built with compatibility in mind and was designed to run directly on DirectX10 and 10.1 hardware. This is accomplished via the concept of feature levels.



So when playing a game in DirectX11, it will first make a quick determination regarding which feature level your card supports after which the game should run normally. You will be running in DirectX11 using Feature Level 10_1, which does restrict you to the DX10.1 feature set, however you still benefit from architectural and efficiency improvements in The DX11 API itself, of which there are quite a bit. As far as being restricted to the DX10.1 feature set is concerned, most would be hard pressed to identify a single visual difference in most situations. The only significant feature you would miss is Tessellation which many disable anyway.

Heat, Noise, & Power consumption

These cards do produce a good amount of heat, but the cooler is easily capable of keeping the GPUs cool as long as you dust at practical intervals. The cards use a ton of power, being one of the only cards that uses more power than a GTX480, which itself is notoriously power hungry.

The cards are certainly not quiet, but they are actually fairly middle-of-the-pack when it comes to noise.

This page has some good info on heat, noise, and power consumption:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/...x-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-/19

I'm not trying to convince you to buy the card, just want you to be able to make an informed decision. IMO it depends on the price more than anything. It has clear negatives in terms of heat output and power consumption but if those aren't of huge concern to you, there is certainly no downside when it comes to performance in the latest games.
 

GotNoRice

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antandshar

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Firstly, i'd like to thank everyone who took their time to post. Especially GotNoRice who gave a very informative description. I've just got back from buying the 4870 X2 and i've got to say i'm not dissapointed with the performance. The heat is more than I imagined, but the noise is less than my 4850 512mb card, so i'm quite pleased. After trading my old card in the 4870 cost me just £64! So I can't complain about that, and theres no way i'd get a card of that spec for such a small amount of money. Overall i'm very pleased. Just tried the new Deus Ex on 1920X1200 with all settings maxed and there's not a stutter! WOW!!!
 
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