lol so wouldn't it have been easier to say I need 32gb of ram in my build and that is why haswell isn't a good choice for some people. The tone of his post was not needed. And it came across like i'm giving bad advice or something...
Making general statements will always bring someone out of the woodwork to point out the exceptions, but it's very safe to say that the people that need the features LGA2011 offers are tiny outliers that can be safely ignored, much like Intel itself is doing right now with this lackluster IB-E release.
Ok so my assumption that haswell is a good choice for a new build "mainstream" box is invalid
But your assumption that someone needs 32GB of ram is?
And is it necessary to say what I said was "crap" or "i'm owning up to my mistake" is any of that necessary in your rebuttal that stuff just leads to flame wars and I would expect someone with 29k post to know better.
We are allowed to have a difference in opinion on a public forum without the baiting. How do you think someone reading that is going to respond??
So other than 32GB of ram why do I need to skip over haswell?
If we are now talking about workstation builds then we are gonna have to start talking about the need for ECC memory because I don't think I would put that much memory into a build to do real work without that thought crossing my mind.
And even if you look at the members on this forum that have builds with that much memory, what is the percentage of them that only went that high up because memory was cheap and they wanted to fill all the slots vs those that actually need all that memory. No one in here can say they need 32GB of ram in a gaming box with a straight face.
I still stand by my post and I don't see any mistakes in it.
...let's get off that horse before it gets beaten to death.
The point is you made a generalization based on one point singular feature point that the E series has: cores. If you want to talk about the type of box you're talking about, then we'd have no use for anything more than a G530 with 8GB of ram. That would cover the majority of mainstream users quite nicely. Haswell isn't even necessary for your typical mainstream user.
You take your entire argument at face value and as I said, it simply falls flat when you look at the entire platform as a whole.
Yes, Ivy-E is nothing more than a process improvement and quite possibly an errata for SB-E by the looks of it. On paper, 20% power and heat gains are nothing to sneeze at. Process improvement means we might see an 8C/16T retail part before it's done (though I doubt it). Is it worth it? Probably not. But then again, LGA2011 was a niche platform to begin with - never meant for what you consider "mainstream". Never was, never will be.
But as long as we're talking about "mainstream" users, I don't even see the need for Haswell. So let's get off that horse before it gets beaten to death.
Actually I would not be so sure about platform memory limits, they are not set in stone. For example X58 supposedly supported 24G max, but even first gen X58 motherboards like vanilla P6T easily support 32G in 4x8G configuration or 48G in 6x8G config.
Who knows, when 16G DDR3 modules appear, Z87 might support 64G of ram. But of course the real question still remains why would anyone want that...
Actually you are right I remember gillbot posting his X58 with 48GB of ram in it.
know anyone that has 8x4 dimms in a haswell board working?
Yeah, but while we're at it, can't we stipulate that even a large majority of power users, let alone mainstream schlubs, won't find any benefit in this new LGA2011 offering? Not much to be "enthusiastic" about, if you ask me. The -E has no meaning.
Actually you are right I remember gillbot posting his X58 with 48GB of ram in it.
know anyone that has 8x4 dimms in a haswell board working?
I'll agree with that. Intel's "enthusiast" platform differentiation all but died post-LGA1366 imho. Other than a few small niche needs, yeah, there's not much "enthusiast" about their enthusiast platforms anymore since they seem to have no desire to make their enthusiast chips anything special.
You mean 4x16gb, right? Here's another hint: Nobody has that config working, because 16GB DDR3 only comes in registered ECC (RDIMM) form, which desktop Haswell/*87 "mainstream" chipsets don't support.
no I meant 32GB's on the haswell platform so 4x8
16GB's dimms are far too expensive and as you pointed out only come in ECC form.
Why would 4x8gb even be a discussion then? It's a known commodity, something which the platform has supported from day one. Unless I'm not understanding the context of your question...
2 Asus Z87-A with 4x8 GB 1600 - one 4770K the other 4670K (both @ 4.2) - one Mushkin the other Patriot both CL9... ESXi dev boxes
For starters, find me a mainstream Haswell board that supports over 32GB of ram.
didn't you previous post talk about finding a board that you can load 32GB of ram for haswell.
And the poster above has 32GB of ram in a haswell system.
This is what i'm reffering to.
You quoted it, but apparently didn't read it properly. I said over 32gb of memory. More than. A capacity larger than. >
It's a frustrating situation. When you spend that much money on a LGA2011 build, you shouldn't have to compromise with an older architecture with lower IPC or an outdated chipset with fewer features. It should be the "everything but the kitchen sink" platform. That the $999 4960X has a lower IPC than the $239 4670K is inexcusable.
It looks like Haswell-E will allow the high-end platform to finally catch up with the mainstream platform. If the mainstream only gets Haswell Refresh rather than Broadwell, the generational gap with be closed.
ahh yes my bad you did say over 32GB ram.
I wouldn't be looking at anything on these sockets if I need 64GB of memory it would be ECC and on a xeon system.
You do realize that X79 is the same thing as the C600 in terms of chipsets, right?
You do realize that X79 is the same thing as the C600 in terms of chipsets, right?