4GB is coming.

lopri

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I've been messing around this newly found my computing entertainment: 64-bit OS (specifically Vista) Thanks to the SuperFetch, my desktop experience is experiencing a 180 degree turn. SuperFetch is by no means perfect, but definitely a step in the right direction. I used to try hard to keep my machine lean and clean but I think that's going to change big time.

Then even bigger surprise came: Some games run faster under Vista than under XP. The difference was quite tangible so that I could tell it without checking up the FPS counter. I first thought it was very strange because it's kinda against the common sense - Vista is a resource hog / Games were not coded for Vista / NV's Vista drivers are far from being mature.

The answer I found was the amount of system RAM. I was quick to find it out but the surprise that came from the answer was even bigger.

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4gbqs4.png

I took out 2 sticks (out of 4) from my system and ran the game again. And this time, I experienced the same slight stuttering that I experienced in XP while playing this game. Putting back the 2GB instantly got rid of stuttering and the FPS looked to be, by the glance of FRAPS counter, 10~15 FPS higher.

Is this a good thing? I'd reserve my judgment for now. Certainly Company of Heroes is a very good looking game but there are, in my opinion, better looking games that are less heavy on the resources. But things aren't as clear-cut as I hope it to be. We don't know the true potential of Vista yet. New generation GPUs are here (or soon to be here). 64-bit computing seems to be finally being pushed foward. And together with SuperFetch, the OS now has no problem handling huge ammount of RAM. How about DX10? How soon will we see the fruits?

Only thing I'm relatively sure is that by the end of the year, most benchmarks will be carried on with 4GB of system RAM on Vista 64-bit.
 

lopri

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Edit: Never mind. On a second thought, this is probably a better place for this discussion. I just thought it wasn't the right time when everyone's worried about the fate of R600.
 

chizow

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Ya, its already here even in XP. More powerful GPUs and larger displays are driving higher resolutions and bigger textures. I couldn't believe it when Dark Messiah was hitting peaks of 1.6-1.9GB and I'd occasionally get serious system slowdowns bc of RAM. Seriously considering getting that extra 2GB now instead of later.
 

aka1nas

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I've been riding up on 2GB commit charge for quite a while now with a few games. X3 Reunion in particular can happily eat up 1.5GB+ by itself if you start building up the universe a lot.
 

ibex333

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One more reason NOT to get Vista. See... When I was playing CoH on XP, 2gig was perfectly enough for me. No slowdowns no problems.
But if I was to upgrade to Vista I would need 4gig to run the same damned game a little faster. Now.. What would I want to do? Waste an extra $200+, or keep using Win XP, and enjoy games at full speed with 2gig RAM? The choice is clear.
It is possible that games will INDEED run fater on Vista, but a t what cost?! I'd rather play a game on XP at 10fps slower than spend $200+.

PS: Yes I understand that I am dismissing the hardware differences between you and me, and also we have different needs when it comes to our computing. Still, unless I got money to waste I dont see why I would want Vista.

 

miniMUNCH

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I already have 2GB of the Buffalo firestix... newegg and others dropped the price so I might have to get 2 GB more.

BTW... I highly recommend this memory.
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: gersson
I'm thinking about upgrading to 4gb myself.
Vista seems stable enough at the moment...
Things that are not stable/functional are mostly related to drivers. Be it hardware or software that installs 'virtual' drivers, such as Acrobat, Alcohol 120, Nero, etc. I was able to find a workaround for Acrobat (PrimoPDF - free!) but nothing yet for Alcohol 120.

Originally posted by: ibex333
PS: Yes I understand that I am dismissing the hardware differences between you and me, and also we have different needs when it comes to our computing. Still, unless I got money to waste I dont see why I would want Vista.
Well to tell you the truth I didn't pay for Vista and that's probably the only reason I have it now. And I agree that XP gets jobs done better than Vista at this time. As a matter of fact, my main rig (the first one in my sig) is a Socket 939 platform where I get my most work done. I intend to keep it for some time to come. But the way Vista works is just so different that you can't help but see how things are changing.

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Is it possible to run at 1T with 4GB ?
I can't run 1T stably even with 2GB on my board.
 

chizow

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Well ya, until a DX10 game that you actually want to play comes along, there's not much reason to upgrade to Vista except for a pretty new GUI. Not enough for me, or most people to sit through MS and everyone else's Beta testing of drivers.
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: chizow
Well ya, until a DX10 game that you actually want to play comes along, there's not much reason to upgrade to Vista except for a pretty new GUI. Not enough for me, or most people to sit through MS and everyone else's Beta testing of drivers.

There must be sacrifices in every war.

Me, if Company of Heroes and Supreme Commander get DX10 patches and they offer something substantial in terms of performance and visuals, then I'll upgrade.
 

nealh

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Kane:

what sticks are you running in 4 x 1GB configuration? are they mixed pair of 2 x 1GB kits

Did you have lower speed or timings much to hit 4 GB

I maybe a bit behind the times but how well does XP deal with 4 GB of ram
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: nealh
Kane:

what sticks are you running in 4 x 1GB configuration? are they mixed pair of 2 x 1GB kits

Did you have lower speed or timings much to hit 4 GB

I maybe a bit behing the times but how well does XP deal with 4 GB of ram

From what I read, its limited to using only 3 GB.
 

nealh

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Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Originally posted by: nealh
Kane:

what sticks are you running in 4 x 1GB configuration? are they mixed pair of 2 x 1GB kits

Did you have lower speed or timings much to hit 4 GB

I maybe a bit behing the times but how well does XP deal with 4 GB of ram

From what I read, its limited to using only 3 GB.

thanks..damn so no reason to get 2gb more for now..since I am not on Vista
 

zephyrprime

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Originally posted by: nealh
Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Originally posted by: nealh
Kane:

what sticks are you running in 4 x 1GB configuration? are they mixed pair of 2 x 1GB kits

Did you have lower speed or timings much to hit 4 GB

I maybe a bit behing the times but how well does XP deal with 4 GB of ram

From what I read, its limited to using only 3 GB.

thanks..damn so no reason to get 2gb more for now..since I am not on Vista
Well, it's a little complicated. Windows xp itself can use up to 4GB and even more if it uses PAE. But, any single application in XP can only use 2GB unless you start windows with a different setting that ups that to 3GB. Also, some of your memory address space will be used up by your video card. If you have a 256mb card, expect 768MB to be gone from your virtual address space so your 4GB will turn into 3.25GB.

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Every review of Vista I've seen has shown that games run slower with Vista, many horribly slower.


Yup. Lopri is smoking alright.
 

aka1nas

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Most DirectX games are performing at about the same level as XP with the latest few driver revisions.
 

Hauk

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I'm running 3GB (2x1GB + 2x512MB) DDR2 800 @ 4-4-4-12 1T with no errors on an Asus 650i board. I was kinda surprised I could do 1T, but I'm not gonna complain!
 

jim1976

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Originally posted by: lopri
Originally posted by: Zenoth
Is it possible to run at 1T with 4GB ?
I can't run 1T stably even with 2GB on my board.

Exactly..

Anyway I won't jump on the 4mb speedwagon right now.. If a serious number of games necessitates its use in the future I'll do it.. But not now..
 

cnhoff

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There is no free lunch

Whoever switches to Vista now should (hopefully) not do it for higher 3DMark scores or lower system requirements, but for Superfetch, the flashy new Aero GUI and for the joy of playing around with new technology.

In a few months or a year from now however the percentage of new PCs without Vista will be minimal and only few people will argue a switch.That's the way things go
 

nullpointerus

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Originally posted by: cnhoff
There is no free lunch

Whoever switches to Vista now should (hopefully) not do it for higher 3DMark scores or lower system requirements, but for Superfetch, the flashy new Aero GUI and for the joy of playing around with new technology.

In a few months or a year from now however the percentage of new PCs without Vista will be minimal and only few people will argue a switch.That's the way things go

:thumbsup:
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: nealh
Kane:

what sticks are you running in 4 x 1GB configuration? are they mixed pair of 2 x 1GB kits

Did you have lower speed or timings much to hit 4 GB

I maybe a bit behind the times but how well does XP deal with 4 GB of ram
Team Group sticks. I've mix-matched with other D9 sticks and they have no problem working together. But like others say, you'll need 64-bit OS to truly appreciate more than 2GB of RAM.
 

lopri

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: BladeVenom
Every review of Vista I've seen has shown that games run slower with Vista, many horribly slower.


Yup. Lopri is smoking alright.
How did you know?
 
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