4k 144Hz GSync Monitor!!!!!

[GoodRevrnd]

I wonder if you'll be able to run it at 120hz 4:4:4 of you want.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Makes sense in a way, their target market can't appreciate the better color space anyways, and they get to keep the HDR checkbox for marketing purposes.

Is it deceitful? I'd say definitely yes, but people will buy it with enough marketing.

It's still going to be better than any other monitor out there, this limitation notwithstanding.

 

[tential]

It's still going to be better than any other monitor out there, this limitation notwithstanding.

Not sure why the disparaging marks about "Their target market can't appreciate..."

Just a drive by attack on people interested in this monitor.

This is what many enthusiasts that want to be on the cutting edge were dreaming of. 4K 60 hz vs 1440p high refresh rate was a TERRIBLE decision. 4k high refresh rate being here finally makes this stupid decision a thing of the past.

 

[moonbogg]

How disgusting is it going to be when they release an ultra wide variant of this?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not sure why the disparaging marks about "Their target market can't appreciate..."

Just a drive by attack on people interested in this monitor.

This is what many enthusiasts that want to be on the cutting edge were dreaming of. 4K 60 hz vs 1440p high refresh rate was a TERRIBLE decision. 4k high refresh rate being here finally makes this stupid decision a thing of the past.

LOL yes, anybody who is dissing this monitor, I just don't get you. This thing is the holy grail of gaming monitors. Probably won't be able to get it at launch (expensive), but I'll be saving to nab this sucker as soon as I can.

Next, NVIDIA needs to put out some Volta action so I can actually drive it at >60fps.

 

[Chaotic42]

LOL yes, anybody who is dissing this monitor, I just don't get you.

27" just isn't enough real estate for me. Give me 30 or preferably 32 inches.

 

[Arachnotronic]

27" just isn't enough real estate for me. Give me 30 or preferably 32 inches.

OK that is actually a legitimate criticism.

 

[moonbogg]

LOL yes, anybody who is dissing this monitor, I just don't get you. This thing is the holy grail of gaming monitors. Probably won't be able to get it at launch (expensive), but I'll be saving to nab this sucker as soon as I can.

Next, NVIDIA needs to put out some Volta action so I can actually drive it at >60fps.

This monitor is the first of it's kind being 144hz and 4K, not to mention HDR. So its an absolute beast and if I didn't have a severe 21:9 addiction, I'd absolutely buy this monitor without batting an eye. However, I don't consider it the holy grail. Is this really your holy grail? Mine is an OLED, HDR, 8K variant, 21:9, 34-38", 120hz+, Gsync curved gaming monitor. Have you tried ultrawide? It ruined me for anything else, regardless of image quality. Totally ruined.

 

[Chaotic42]

I've got 3 of the 21:9s, but I'm not addicted. I can stop any time I want...

 

[biostud]

I'm still more interested in an affordable 32" 1440p HDR VA 90+ hz freesync 2 monitor.

 

[tential]

OK that is actually a legitimate criticism.

Yes but that's criticism of this specific monitor. Who cares? The tech behind the monitor is important. If we can get a 27 inch monitor we can get a 32 inch monitor.

 

[Madpacket]

Outside of the refresh rate the biggest advance here is the FALD technology. PC gamers haven't had the luxury of being able to buy a monitor with this tech (AFAIK). Home theatre TV's have had this for a while now and it makes a gigantic difference WRT contrast. Remember to gauge what your hardware upgrade cycle timelines are. Monitors are usually kept for a while so dropping $1200 on this isn't such a big deal especially as you "grow into" it with GPU upgrades. This monitor has "Fine Wine" built into it by default with such high refresh rates but probably has enough perks out the gate to justify the asking price. As for the size I wish it were bigger as well. 27" at 1440P is already pretty sharp and detailed and there are practical limits on how large a monitor a normal computer desk can handle so likely the reason they chose this size to start. An UWS version would be nice but ideally I would rather see R&D go towards a 32 - 34" 16:9 model first for full compatibility with games. I'm happy I didn't splurge on a new monitor this year but will likely wait until a Freesync version is released for additional cost savings. Maybe it'll launch around in time for Vega, one can hope.

 

[crisium]

It seems strange to reduce the color space to hit the arbitrary 144hz on an HDR monitor instead of just sticking with 120hz....

I wonder if you'll be able to run it at 120hz 4:4:4 of you want.

Agree. I'd vastly prefer 120Hz and full color. There are such diminishing returns from 120Hz to 144Hz.

This is chasing the numbers game to the detriment of the consumer. Like youtube pushing compressed 4K instead of higher bitrate 1080/1440, or how pretty soon we'll see 8K TV's even though virtually no one will be able to appreciate it over 4K based on how far away people sit from TV's vs monitors (8K monitors are very much welcomed though).

Also I agree that 27-inch is too small. I really hope 32-inch (31.5 actual) becomes the 4K gaming standard size. I think 27-inch is perfect for 2560x1440, but for 4K you can go a bit larger and still have appreciably higher PPI.

 

[Excessi0n]

Also I agree that 27-inch is too small. I really hope 32-inch (31.5 actual) becomes the 4K gaming standard size. I think 27-inch is perfect for 2560x1440, but for 4K you can go a bit larger and still have appreciably higher PPI.

32" 4K is only an ~1/4 increase in PPI over 27" 1440P. That's a pretty lame increase when we need PPIs to be at least a few times higher than they are now with ~24" 1080P or ~27" 1440P.

 

[Bacon1]

32" 4K is only an ~1/4 increase in PPI over 27" 1440P. That's a pretty lame increase when we need PPIs to be at least a few times higher than they are now with ~24" 1080P or ~27" 1440P.

Why do you think that? I'd say 27" 1440p PPI is pretty good.

 

[crisium]

28.5% more PPI and 4.5 more inches of real estate. I think it's a good balance. You can sit a bit further away and have the same effective PPI, if you know what I mean, but the option to sit closer and have a workstation with all that extra space.

Dell has a 24-inch 4K and 27-inch 5K for those that demand the ultimate PPI.

I'd get a 27-inch 4K if I didn't have the choice, but just my preference to get bigger and PPI at the same time. Much like going from the the 24-inch 1080 to 27-inch 1440 does, which you mentioned. Improve both.

 

[Excessi0n]

Why do you think that? I'd say 27" 1440p PPI is pretty good.

I can get up from my computer, walk to the far corner of the room, and still see jaggies/aliasing. When actually sitting at my desk it's like looking through a screen door. Horrible.

Phones have great PPIs. That's the range where monitors need to be.

 

[Bacon1]

I can get up from my computer, walk to the far corner of the room, and still see jaggies/aliasing. When actually sitting at my desk it's like looking through a screen door. Horrible.

Phones have great PPIs. That's the range where monitors need to be.

LOL you are nuts. Required PPI is directly related to distance from screen. You only need 32" from a 27" 1440p to make it look "Retina". Same as 11" away from an iPhone 6 or 9" away from a iPhone 6s.

 

[crisium]

Inject some post processing AA into your games, if for whatever reason they don't have them by default and they are too demanding to use super sampling. Do you never use AA? I'd probably be disappointed with 2560x1440 27-inch PPI if AA were nonexistent, but luckily our current timeline has them (and several to choose from).

 

[Chaotic42]

LOL you are nuts. Required PPI is directly related to distance from screen. You only need 32" from a 27" 1440p to make it look "Retina". Same as 11" away from an iPhone 6 or 9" away from a iPhone 6s.

I don't know what your vision is like, but mine is better than 20/10 and I've yet to see a standalone monitor where I couldn't see the jaggies. I'd like to wait for 8K, but I may settle for 5K or even a decently sized quality 4K.

 

[Dave2150]

I agree, and I guess I'm lucky in that I have better than normal vision. My complaint is that I wouldn't want a monitor smaller than 30". It's just not enough space. That Dell 8K is totally going on my list and I'm going to need to hide my credit card to keep from buying one at $5,000.

Resolution determines the "space" provided by the monitor, not the size. A 27" 4K monitor has the same amount of "space" as a 50" 4K monitor, the pixels are just larger (or spaced further apart). Lookup dot pitch etc if you are dubious of my claims.

 

[Chaotic42]

Resolution determines the "space" provided by the monitor, not the size. A 27" 4K monitor has the same amount of "space" as a 50" 4K monitor, the pixels are just larger (or spaced further apart). Lookup dot pitch etc if you are dubious of my claims.

Yeah, I know about dot pitch. When I say space I mean physical space. 27 inches is too small regardless of resolution.

 

[Piroko]

I think there's a misunderstanding in this thread over what a reduced color space actually ends up looking like.

If we're talking about 4:4:4 down to 4:2:0 then that's a massive reduction in sharpness. Here's a demonstration what 4:2:0 does to moving fonts:

And here's a still image:

Yeah, providing a higher refresh rate this way is a complete marketing joke. Even 4:2:2 would be a punch in the face for image quality. Stick to 4:4:4 for the love of Cthulhu.

 

[Carfax83]

Such amazing monitors, then they ruin them by making them 27 inches

To me the ideal size for a 4K monitor is 32 inches.

 

[Timmah!]

Agreed, if these were 32-inch and would not sport that tragic wannabe "gaming" design, i would be mightily interested.

Anyway, what about that 1000 nits thing? Kinda wow, is it not? Given the fact, displays usually sport about 350? Is this HDR related thing?

I was looking at the new BenQ SW320, which apparently has HDR, but then i read some discussions about it claiming no way its HDR compliant (or how to call it), as its brightness is too low. I need to be enlightened on the matter.