4K (4096x2160) Displays - any available for us USA end-users?

[Idontcare]

I have been seeing lots of prototype news for 4K (4096x2160) and so-called 2160p (3840x2160) displays but most of them seem to be limited release for Japan markets, and on the order of >$10,000 for them as well.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS450US450&q=4k+lcd+display

Does anyone have any sort of rough idea when these displays will be available in USA markets? Are we looking at another 5 yrs? 1 yr?

I currently use 2x24" LCD's so my workspace is already 3840 pixels wide, but it is only 1200 pixels tall. Would love to replace my dual LCD's with a single 48-55" display that has the same width in pixel count but has even more pixels for height (I do a lot of programming and I really hate the inconvenience of scrolling up and down to keep the current subroutine loaded in my brain-ram).

Can today's video cards drive a 4K display?

 

[wand3r3r]

I just read an article that they are coming to EU markets this year, and it mentioned something about availability but around $20,000. I, perhaps mistakenly, presumed they are available in the US considering the price mentioned in $. I can't wait for them, but at that price I guess I will.

Edit: projectors are available I believe.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/07/sony-announces-a-4k-projector-for-the-home-at-cedia-prices-hmz/

 

[RavenSEAL]

I believe the GTX 580 can do 4K, not sure about the corresponding AMD competition.

 

[superccs]

put the 24's on their sides and you get 2400x1900...

 

[sawtx]

Looks like the 7900s can do 4096x2160 via DP and 4096x3112 via HDMI while the other cards at stock can't reach that resolution per Nvidia and AMD websites (580/590/6970/6990 = 2560x1600).

 

[Lonyo]

Even if they do become available, 2560 panels are still expensive, so I doubt they will be consumer-oriented for a long while after initial launch, if ever. Which is a shame.

 

[lavaheadache]

I'll sell a kidney if I have to..

 

[cantholdanymore]

This is sick
http://www.eizo.com/na/products/duravision/fdh3601/index.html

 

[Edrick]

According to AVS Forums (and CES 2012), 4K displays will hit the US around late 2H 2012, but only in large sizes (60+) and very high prices. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=40

http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/30/sharp-showcases-4k-lcd-tv-3840%C3%972160-resolution-to-sell-it-2012/

Based on the articles I have read, 4K computer monitors are not due out until 2013 at the earliest. And most likely will still be LCD.

I am more excited about the OLED revolution, but these will only be 1080p at first. So a 4K OLED display is what I am waiting for....probably 2015.

 

[Idontcare]

This is sick
http://www.eizo.com/na/products/duravision/fdh3601/index.html

Dang! And their graphics showcase exactly why I want this:

I tried putting my 1920x1200 LCD's in portrait mode but it was an awful mess with the line-wrap on my code, made keeping the algorithm's straight in my head even more challenging.

I turned off line-wrap and then I had to scroll all the time. Up-down scrolling is preferable to left-right scrolling, so my screens are back to their landscape profile.

Too bad about that $36k pricetage

 

[Edrick]

In the meantime, why not get 2 30 inch 1440p monitors? Cost a lot less than 2160p for the next few years.

 

[Idontcare]

In the meantime, why not get 2 30 inch 1440p monitors? Cost a lot less than 2160p for the next few years.

That is probably what will happen, although the "more of less cheaper" route is not always a great substitute.

Taking that approach, with eyefinity I could buy 6 really dirt-cheap LCD's and technically do even better than a 2x30" setup.

:hmm:...not that I'm against that...it just doesn't solve my current pet-peave which is work-area for displaying lines of code.

I suppose what I should do is vertically stack my screens instead of putting them side-by-side?

I could use something like this to get the job done:

 

[Edrick]

I suppose what I should do is vertically stack my screens instead of putting them side-by-side?

For coding, it is the only way to go ever since the 16:9 and 16:10 revolution took place. I have been looking at vertical stands for some time now and just waiting for the wife to let me double up my U2412M.

At work, they wont allow me to stack vertically, so I am stuck with (2) 23 inch displays side by side.

 

[nitromullet]

Too bad about that $36k pricetage

True, but it is EIZO and very new tech. Both of which == high price.

Remember when a 1920x1200 24" LCD was beyond the reach of most mortals, and now people say stuff like "It's not even worth looking at a video card upgrade if you only game at 1200p."?

I'm actually quite content to know my upgrade path years ahead of time.

Edit: some more pics to drool over while we wait...

http://pcper.com/news/Displays/EIZO-DuraVision-FDH3601-4k-x-2k-Display-and-We-Want-It

...and a video review in German.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,8...Das-25000-Euro-LCD-im-Hands-on-Test/LCD/Test/

LOL@ the box that thing comes in (on a pallet)... Not gonna sneak that purchase by the missus!

 

[Idontcare]

True, when I bought my current 24" screens I think they were ~$750 each.

The pallet packaging is funny too

 

[evilspoons]

I too really want to see displays like this come down in price. It's sort of absurd how pixel density has remained roughly the same for ages on desktop PCs but tablets and phones have raced ahead. You can get a 4.5" phone with the same resolution as a 13" Macbook!

I'm waiting for that 4096x2160 resolution to show up in a 24" panel... and for Windows and OS X to implement resolution-independent UI sizing.

At least OS X seems to be making some progress in this direction; 10.6 added the capabilities for some resizing, 10.7 expanded on it, even 10.7.3 added some higher resolution cursors than can be displayed on current Mac LCD panels. None of it is really used right now, mind you, but I'm still holding out for the "Retina display" Macbook Pro refresh that's been rumoured.

 

[Red Storm]

Hot damn that is a nice screen.

 

[wahdangun]

to make it worst my goddam iphone have higher pixel density than my LCD monitor. we need to stop all this HDTV crap, and give use higher pixel density

 

[Snowshredder102]

Probably a good thing it's not affordable yet. I don't think that video cards are even close to being able run at these resolutions with decent frame rates.

 

[Concillian]

Taking that approach, with eyefinity I could buy 6 really dirt-cheap LCD's and technically do even better than a 2x30" setup.

:hmm:...not that I'm against that...it just doesn't solve my current pet-peave which is work-area for displaying lines of code.

No, you really can't do that with dirt cheap monitors, as TN panel viewing angles do not play nicely with that kind of setup.

 

[Idontcare]

No, you really can't do that with dirt cheap monitors, as TN panel viewing angles do not play nicely with that kind of setup.

Well I wouldn't set it up like that, it would be more like this:

Could do that with 6 of these $170 LCD's.

 

[evilspoons]

Probably a good thing it's not affordable yet. I don't think that video cards are even close to being able run at these resolutions with decent frame rates.

I would much rather have the resolution there for my windows desktop and just run games at half resolution. Pixel doubling by running a 4096x2160 monitor at 2048x1080 (odd aspect ratio...) would look just fine. I had a 30" monitor for a little while that I ended up returning. The 2560x1600 resolution was too high for my video card, 1280x800 looked surprisingly OK in games while maintaining the excellent desktop area of 2560x1600.

 

[Edrick]

Looking at those pics, I came to 3 conclusions.

1. Some people take their FPS games way too seriously.
2. I now want 4 panels instead 2.
3. I want to trade in my 902 case for a 1200.

 

[Gloomy]

Does Eyefinity support an upside-down T shaped configuration for video games? Like ▄█▄?

 

[Lonyo]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128473&pf_rd_i=468294

If they were available in the US, they would be sub $180, possibly closer to $145.
22" IPS LED LCDs.