4K Monitors thread

[wand3r3r]

Let's start a thread to discuss 4k monitors and experiences we have.

With Windows 10 coming and high resolution support improvements along with the dropping prices of 4k displays it seems like the next year will see an increase of 4k users.

http://www.maximumpc.com/4k_monitor_2014

Current or coming very soon 4k monitors:
Please let me know if there are other monitors.


Brand Model Size (in) Panel Column1 Features Link Acer CB280HK 28
TN $600

http://www.acer.lv/ac/en/EE/content/professional-model/UM.PB0EE.001 Acer XB280HK 28
TN $800
G-Sync http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009658 AOC U2868PQU 28
TN $600


Asus PQ321Q 32
IGZO $1,600

http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PQ321Q/ BenQ BL3201PT 32
AHVA


http://orwww2.benq.com/product/monitor/BL3201PT/specifications/ Dell UP2414Q 24
AH-IPS $800

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=860-BBCD Dell P2815Q 28
TN $450
30 Hz http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...note_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=1&~ck=dellSearch Dell UP3214Q 32
IGZO $2,500

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=210-ACBL Eizo EV3237 32
IGZO


http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev3237/index.html LG 31MU97 31



4096 x 2160 http://www.lgblog.co.uk/2014/08/worlds-first-curved-ips-219-monitor-at-ifa/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+lgofficialblog+%28LG+Blog%29 NEC EA244UHD 24
IPS $1,350

http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/ea244uhd-bk NEC PA322UHD 32
IGZO $2,999
120 Hz 1080p mode http://www.necdisplay.com/detail/p/PA322UHD-BK/ Philips 288P6LJEB 28
TN $600

http://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/288P6LJEB_27/brilliance-4k-ultra-hd-led-backlit-monitor Philips BDM4065UC 40
VA $800

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/31.htm#philips_bdm4065uc Samsung U28D590D 28
TN $600

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_u28d590d.htm Samsung U32D970Q 32
PLS $2,000

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LU32D97KQSR/ZA ViewSonic VX2880ml 28
TN $600

http://www.viewsonic.com/us/monitors/entertainment-vx-series/vx2880ml.html

I'll leave that mangled list, here's what it looks like in excel. At least the links are clickable above.

 

[Eric1987]

I got a 590D and I love it! Big difference vs 1080p. Only problem so far I've encountered is the displayport connector to my GPU doesn't have a clip so if someone bumps it it'll fall out forcing me to potentially restart.

 

[96Firebird]

Dell also has the UP3214Q.

NEC has the EA244UHD, with a few more coming before year's end.

Just to add to your list.

 

[tviceman]

I'm not going to rain on the 4k parade, as I know PPI has become all the rage in mobile / SFF devices, but I am very, very happy with my 1440p monitor and am not looking to make the jump to 4k on my desktop any time soon at all.

 

[Jacky60]

I have the Samsung
28" 60 Hz (~$600)
U28D590D
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/m.../LU28D590DS/ZA

No I don't love it. Reason I normally play at 2560/1440 with sig rig so 4770k at 4.7 and two 295x2 in crossfire and Arma 3 is unplayable at 4k. Sorry, correction it is playable if I drop back my settings so it looks no better that the Dell. I'm conditioned to expect and enjoy all settings maxxed on the Dell 27 in 2560/1440 (not in sig) but when I go Sammy it's a shitstorm of insufficient performance at 4k in both MP and SP. It feels like I've gone back in time two years to my 920/6990 crossfire system. In short neither CPUs or GPUs are yet fast enough to drive 4K at anything like a respectable frame rate. There are I'm sure many games and gamers that will be happy but I am not happy at all. My 4k screen will be gathering dust for 12 months until we have the hardware to make it work. Just for the record I'm not interested in gaming with no or little AA or any other pathetic excuses to compromise quality I want to pan in game and not feel the lag.

 

[CakeMonster]

This is a good initiative.

Where I'm coming from (and I suppose many others among those interested in 4K) is that I already have a 30", IPS, 2560x1600. That complicates everything A LOT:
- I don't want to downgrade in size
- I don't want to stay on 60hz, I want more
- I want image quality, colors, and viewing angle to at least match my current IPS
- I'd like Gsynch/Freesynch

Basically it looks like I'm not getting anything suiting my tastes in a long time. Its much easier for those on 24"/27" to be satisfied with a 4K monitor (but while still sacrificing something).

 

[alcoholbob]

There are a couple of 32" PS 4k displays coming out from Asus, Samsung, Eizo, and BenQ. Some of them are displayport 1.2 only and still run hdmi 1.4.

I have the LG 49UB8500 I'm using for a monitor right now I think its one of the few displays currently that supports HDMI 2.0 at 4:4:4 chroma subsampling so it works with nvidia 900 series cards out of the box at 4k60.

I think you need a large display currently to deal with scaling issues at 4k in Windows.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I think its still too early to invest in 4K for gaming if one hopes the monitor to be relevant for more than a year (if that)

G-Sync (and analogous technologies) and DP1.3 are going to be major game changers

right now the only 4K monitor I would come close to considering for gaming would be the Acer XB280HK (4K + G-Sync), but since its still stuck on DP1.2, its limited to 60Hz... and if I'm going to be limited to 60Hz, I'd at least want IPS or VA, but anything that size (28+") other than TN is going to be prohibitively expensive.

 

[Grooveriding]

The Asus PB321Q and the 3214 from Dell are both IGZO not TN. I owned the PB321 for a few weeks. The most beautiful commercial monitor I've seen. Although the Dell wasn't available at the time and uses the same panel. That is going to be the ultimate 4k monitor if you're buying today because of amazing support and excellent QC Dell offers.

Prices are coming down fast. The PB321q was $3500 when I bought it, you can get it for $2000 now just under half a year later. Thank goodness I returned it.

My guess is next year a 32" 4K IGZO will come down to around $1500 and you'll be able to order one from Dell for what a 30" 2560x1600 goes for now. We'll also probably see the TN models get really cheap, under $500 and likely $400. I also expect next year to bring big Maxwell so we'll finally get a real performance jump over where we were back when Titan launched. That 40-50% performance jump is going to make max settings 4K a reality with dual GPU setups.

I'm looking forward to it. Once Big Maxwell comes I am getting whatever the current 32" IGZO 4K is from Dell and a pair of those cards. I'm hoping it's late enough in the year for Dell to have an updated model out that supports SST.

 

[Subyman]

I ended up with a Swift instead due to a few factors. It is too early to get a good 4k monitor without taking concessions. I wanted G-sync and a size 32" or larger. The Acer has Gsync, but is too small for me. I'll be really interested once we get more options next year. I'm glad to see the prices already somewhat reasonable. I'm sure they will drop quickly.

 

[alcoholbob]

Your power bill will also go way up running 4K. Most F2P games at 1080p are really easy to run, even at max. Games like Dota 2 or Diablo 3 I can run at max settings on my GTX 980 at 1080p and the card will throttle to low 3d clocks/2d clocks, and run at only 50C, whisper quiet gaming.

4K is a brute force pixed fill test, playing Diablo 3 and Dota 2 at 4K, even at lower details, constantly runs my GPU to 80C and at full clockspeed. Noise and power requirements all way higher at 4K.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I got a 590D and I love it! Big difference vs 1080p. Only problem so far I've encountered is the displayport connector to my GPU doesn't have a clip so if someone bumps it it'll fall out forcing me to potentially restart.

It does exactly the same thing on my U28D590D. I thought my GPU displayport was the issue but I guess I'm not the only one.

 

[_UP_]

Well, I would love to go 4K, but don't know if it's ready yet.
The one I'm most interested right now, that might actually be worth getting I think, is the new Vizio 4K TV lineup (P series).
They have HDMI 2.0 for starters, supports 120Hz @1080p (according to a few early reviews) and allegedly has very low input lag (there was a video on YouTube but it was removed by user). I think it might be very interesting, especially the 50" (I'd prefer 40" or even 30" but I'll take what I can get ).

 

[KaRLiToS]

Well, I would love to go 4K, but don't know if it's ready yet.
The one I'm most interested right now, that might actually be worth getting I think, is the new Vizio 4K TV lineup (P series).
They have HDMI 2.0 for starters, supports 120Hz @1080p (according to a few early reviews) and allegedly has very low input lag (there was a video on YouTube but it was removed by user). I think it might be very interesting, especially the 50" (I'd prefer 40" or even 30" but I'll take what I can get ).

Some 4k monitors support 3840x2160 @ 60hz via the DisplayPort.

If you have the GPU power, a 4k monitor will not be much different than a 1080p or a 1440p monitor during game play, just sharper resolution and much more....AWSOME.

Desktop will have smaller font and icon though. I need to try Windows 10 to see if scalling is more appropriate.

Anyway, with your Yamakasi Catleap, you are still good for a while. Can you OC the Catleap?

 

[_UP_]

Some 4k monitors support 3840x2160 @ 60hz via the DisplayPort.

If you have the GPU power, a 4k monitor will not be much different than a 1080p or a 1440p monitor during game play, just sharper resolution and much more....AWSOME.

I should have been clearer. The dog wanted to go for a walk so I was rushing.
I know DP allows for 60Hz. The point of the HDMI 2.0 was to show that even though it was a TV it was still capable of 60Hz. The interesting part is that it allows 120Hz @1080p so it might be an interesting alternative for people interested in both 120Hz and 4K until we get a real contender in that regard.

Desktop will have smaller font and icon though. I need to try Windows 10 to see if scalling is more appropriate.

A little off-topic, but you might want to reconsider trying it before it comes out. Tom's say that MS is collecting all sorts of data from users.

Anyway, with your Yamakasi Catleap, you are still good for a while. Can you OC the Catleap?

I got the C board, so no (only the 2B are capable). I'm also not too happy with it. Having only dual-link DVI cause a lot of grief when I didn't have a graphics card for a few months (either had to not use it or to take it down stairs to the TV). It also has quite a lot of lag which really sucks when playing BF4.

 

[itisravi]

Even the most powerful dual-GPU setups today(I really really hate triple-GPU) are not gonna give smooth gameplay at 4k at highest settings for a few games (and the number of such games will increase significantly in the near future).

I am holding off upgrading to 4k till Christmas next year. By that time we will have the 20nm Papa-Maxwell(GM200) cards, a pair of which should be sufficient, faster 14nm Broadwell processors, and cheaper and better 4K displays.

For people building there systems now, 2560x1440 gaming with a pair of 970s seems to be the best way to go.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Even the most powerful dual-GPU setups today(I really really hate triple-GPU) are not gonna give smooth gameplay at 4k at highest settings for a few games (and the number of such games will increase significantly in the near future).

I am holding off upgrading to 4k till Christmas next year. By that time we will have the 20nm Papa-Maxwell(GM200) cards, a pair of which should be sufficient, faster 14nm Broadwell processors, and cheaper and better 4K displays.

For people building there systems now, 2560x1440 gaming with a pair of 970s seems to be the best way to go.

should also have more G-Sync 4K units by then, and maybe even some G-Sync alternatives, and as ludicrous as it sounds, DP1.3 should mean the possibility of 120Hz 4K.

 

[motsm]

should also have more G-Sync 4K units by then, and maybe even some G-Sync alternatives, and as ludicrous as it sounds, DP1.3 should mean the possibility of 120Hz 4K.

All of that, but I bet they still won't make one that properly scales to 1080p.

 

[wand3r3r]

say[/URL] that MS is collecting all sorts of data from users.

The version they are letting people try is a technical preview meant to gather data to fix bugs and possibly change features depending on usage and patterns. The only reason they make it available now is to improve it.

Windows 10 will not do this. 8 also had the same preview. Maybe you guys are aware of this, but it's only a concern of the TP.

I'll probably upgrade when there are improvements and when I get new gpus but I'm hoping to enjoy 4k today too.

 

[Rebel44]

I am waiting for non-TN display that is at least 27" and under $1K.

 

[_UP_]

The version they are letting people try is a technical preview meant to gather data to fix bugs and possibly change features depending on usage and patterns. The only reason they make it available now is to improve it.

Windows 10 will not do this. 8 also had the same preview. Maybe you guytas are aware of this, but it's only a concern of the TP.

I know what a technical preview means. That is why I wrote "before it comes out". My point was that it is a bit different than the ones before, namely the fact that they record every character typed. That is a bit risky and that is why MS mentioned that it shouldn't be used on an only machine or some odd wording like that. I will probably get it when it comes out as I get it for free.

OT though, I wish they made decent sized (27"-32") 4K OLEDs already. That is my dream monitor (and many others I'm sure). For now, I'll take one when they can make it without the horrible input lag. Almost got the Samsung 28" one, but the tftcentral review made me not go for it.

 

[wand3r3r]

Got it, thanks for the clarification.

 

[itisravi]

Excuse the newbie question though, but why are TN displays so cheaper than IPS LCD and what is the catch?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Excuse the newbie question though, but why are TN displays so cheaper than IPS LCD and what is the catch?

Worse colour, worse viewing angles etc.

 

[wand3r3r]

Excuse the newbie question though, but why are TN displays so cheaper than IPS LCD and what is the catch?

The main differences in bold.
TN Vs. IPS Vs. VA



When choosing a computer monitor, always take into account the type of panel display uses in addition to the other technical specifications. Flat screens LCD monitors primarily use three different panel types: TN, IPS or VA (in its different forms). The choice of panel is very important, as it determines whether the monitor is responsive enough for your first-person shooters, good at reproducing colors if you work with design or photography, or in some cases both.
Different Monitor Panel Types
The most common type of panel type is the TN–twisted nematic. The others are Vertical Alignment (VA) and In-Plane switching (IPS). Additionally there are different versions of the latter two display types. VA computer monitors primarily come in two versions: Patterned Vertical Alignment (PVA) and Multi-domain Vertical Alignment (MVA). Each technology has its pros and cons and what to look for depends on what you plan on using your monitor for.
TN
TN (Twisted Nematic) is the most common technology and also the oldest. The main advantage is that it provides the shortest response times, making them good for gaming. In combination with LED back-lighting, TN monitors also offer high brightness and draw less power than competing technologies. Another important factor is that they are cheap to manufacture, resulting in low prices for end users.
The drawbacks to the technology is the color shifts that occur at wider viewing angles. There are large differences in quality between different products, but the lower-end ones will exhibit color shift even at moderate angle changes. A TN-based display can usually be identified through these color distortions when viewing the picture from above or from the sides.
IPS
The main advantages with IPS monitors is that the technology offer noticeably better color reproduction as well as much better viewing angles. The downside used to be a difficulty to emphasize blacks, which in turn meant problems with the contrast. IPS panels were also very expensive and slow in the beginning.
Now the manufacturers have started producing so-called Super-IPS (S-IPS) panels at reasonable prices. Response times have crept down considerably and the contrast is much better. In addition, color display and the options to calibrate the colors are superior to the other panel types. IPS panels keep colors constant, even in sharp angles.
VA – MVA and PVA
Further developments have led to MVA and PVA, where the manufacturers are trying to find a technique that would combine the advantages of both TN and IPS. MVA panels offer good viewing angles and generally better blacks and contrast than either TN or IPS panels. Their response times also look good on paper, but unfortunately not in the real world
Even if the response time for white to black is low, it is often considerably higher between two dark tones, leading to Ghosting effects. Another weakness is the color reproduction, which in itself is better than TN but not as good as IPS. PVA panels are in many ways similar to MVA, but have even better blacks and great contrast. The problem with ghosting remains, however.
Conclusion
As you have probably gathered by now, there is no single type of LCD that is good at everything. What panel type you choose must be a compromise based on how you use the monitor. Gamers will generally be happy with TN panels and their exceptional response time. Photographers and graphic designers should buy an IPS monitor instead.
If you are a writer or work in any other field where contrast is an important factor you should have a look at a monitor with an MVA or PVA panel. If you use the screen to the little bit of everything, you might choose a TN-based monitor to save money or a high-end IPS with low response time if you won’t settle for just the mere basics.


Source:
http://www.tnpanel.com/tn-vs-ips-va/