4th grade girl to become a boy

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
I fail to see where the article says anything about it being any kind of medical condition.

The problem here is that everyone is generalizing and making wild assumptions. Some people assume there's a medical condition involved, or that the child was born with partially developed reproductive organs. Some people are assuming there was nothing "odd" about the child physically. The aritcle doesn't specify, so speculating is pointless.

That being said, if there is NO physical evidence that 'she' shouldn't be a girl, then I believe the parents are screwing her up big time, and that the poor girl will be absolutely made fun of and confused for a long time.

On the other hand if there IS a physical condition (the child was born in a state where they weren't sure, and they just made the call) I can see this as being something healthy for the 'girl' in question. However, I would disagree with the parents decision to leave them in the same school. It would be much, much easier if they put 'her' into a new school to begin life as a boy.

I tend to believe that this is a parents mistake, however, in this instance, because of one fact:

She is still "physically" a girl according to the article. If she is really a boy, and the doctors are trying to "fix" that mistake, why not really physically make the change?

I would just like to point out the fact that you think speculating is pointless and then you proceeded to speculate.

:beer: to you!

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

Male and female brains have some very decernable differences.

For example?

 

[venk]

Originally posted by: Audacious Underdog
my cousin lives there. :Q

is your cousin a he or a she or are you not sure?

PS. No way this girl makes it through the 4th grade without being absolutly torrmented by her classmates.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
I fail to see where the article says anything about it being any kind of medical condition.

The problem here is that everyone is generalizing and making wild assumptions. Some people assume there's a medical condition involved, or that the child was born with partially developed reproductive organs. Some people are assuming there was nothing "odd" about the child physically. The aritcle doesn't specify, so speculating is pointless.

That being said, if there is NO physical evidence that 'she' shouldn't be a girl, then I believe the parents are screwing her up big time, and that the poor girl will be absolutely made fun of and confused for a long time.

On the other hand if there IS a physical condition (the child was born in a state where they weren't sure, and they just made the call) I can see this as being something healthy for the 'girl' in question. However, I would disagree with the parents decision to leave them in the same school. It would be much, much easier if they put 'her' into a new school to begin life as a boy.

I tend to believe that this is a parents mistake, however, in this instance, because of one fact:

She is still "physically" a girl according to the article. If she is really a boy, and the doctors are trying to "fix" that mistake, why not really physically make the change?

Agreed with almost everything above. I guess I have more faith in human kind than most, because I immediately assumed it was a medical condition and not purely psychological. If it were purely psychological then you'd think this would be news on more than just this one NBC news site.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

Male and female brains have some very decernable differences.

For example?

Y chromosomes.

 

[Injury]

The way I see it, although sounding pretty messed up, the article specifically states that they were counselled by medical professionals (what kind, I dunno, I'll give that) before making this adjustment. (S)he's a 4th grader. It's likely something that will either be grown out of by the end of elementary school or help make the kid more comfortable with his/her mental standpoint in Junior High/High School, a time in which self-image is like riding an amtrak on a rock-filled track.

It's not like it's some bratty kid that is being messed up for life by the parents, as far as I can tell.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

Male and female brains have some very decernable differences.

For example?

Google "male female brain differences"

There have been some interesting studies involving the dissection of transgender people's brains.

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: Injury
The way I see it, although sounding pretty messed up, the article specifically states that they were counselled by medical professionals (what kind, I dunno, I'll give that) before making this adjustment. (S)he's a 4th grader. It's likely something that will either be grown out of by the end of elementary school or help make the kid more comfortable with his/her mental standpoint in Junior High/High School, a time in which self-image is like riding an amtrak on a rock-filled track.

It's not like it's some bratty kid that is being messed up for life by the parents, as far as I can tell.

I hope not, I sincerely do.

We just don't have enough info to really make the call though. Even with medical professionals, you never know. You can find doctors who disagree about everything and anything, after looking at the same data. It's why so many people get second opinions - because much of what a doctor does is based on his or her personal opinion and interpretation of facts.

If we give these parents the benefit of the doubt, they had their child see many doctors (physical and mental) before making such a drastic call as this; and they feel very comfortable that the child is not in some kind of phase, but is instead really different.

But I guess I'm the guy without that much faith in general people. I could see a lot of people doing this carelessly and really jacking their kids up.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Meh, what's the big deal?

I'd be hopping mad if they said she was undergoing surgery to change her anatomy but this isn't a big deal. She'll probably grow out of it.

yea. i read the OP too quickly and thought they were performing surgery (in which case i would have been furious). as it stands, its not that big of a deal.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: classy
This is a child and what her parents are doing is disgraceful. There are little girls who develop breasts young, does that mean now they should be allowed to treated as an adult woman and sleep with men. You can call me whatever you want, but I am done here. Its one thing to talk about the sexual identity of an adult but to now start with this kind of stuff concerning a 10-11 year old child its just nasty and perverted. Peace

Uh - the topic has NOTHING to do with getting your freak on with underage girls. That's quite a perverted view to take when all we're talking about is genitalia, gender, and hormonal differences. It sounds like YOU are the nasty one in this thread.

Fvcking pervert.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: Doboji

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

It's very well documented that there are noticeable differences between male and female brains. They have different "connections" between different areas, are shaped differently, different parts are used to do the same task, etc.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: edro13
There is a great special on one of the Discovery Channels about transgenderred children. It is very interesting.

Yep seen it.
They had this old man talk.. and he showed his pics when he was a cute little girl at the tender age of 5.
It was very weird.

 

[PanzerIV]

Man, their are some seriously uneducated asses lurking on ATOT. I wonder how it must feel to go through life in a perpetual fog of ingorant bliss with nothing but absolutes. While I feel the parents perhaps should have waited until the child was at least a teen I fully believe that this condition could exist. But, what do I know? I mean I've only read about it and watched shows with people who study this stuff for a living but the brain trust of ATOT knows so much more than they without even cracking open a book.
I for one am grateful to have discovered this fountain of knowledge here on ATOT. Who needs books, television or lectures when the everyday layperson knows all!!!!

 

[Sideswipe001]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001

I tend to believe that this is a parents mistake, however, in this instance, because of one fact:

She is still "physically" a girl according to the article. If she is really a boy, and the doctors are trying to "fix" that mistake, why not really physically make the change?

I would just like to point out the fact that you think speculating is pointless and then you proceeded to speculate.

:beer: to you!

Thanks, you're absolutely right.

Guess it's easy to spout off what you think, huh?

 

[TheElusiveN]

What I'm utterly shocked by is the fact that this was covered by a local news outlet. I'm not taking sides on whether the parents did the right thing or not, but it was a fairly private thing to have done, to say the least, and they're quite clearly private figures. Even though they didn't say the family's name, come on, kids. The locals are going to notice which 4th-grader showed up sporting a shiny new gender identity and a legal name change after the break. So by identifying her/his/its grade and metropolitan area, and stating that its gender was changed, such statement qualifies as identification. It wouldn't be that hard to track the kid down. Such as, if I as a journalist say "a prominent, eccentric pop artist whose appearance has been surgically modified beyond recognition," everybody's gonna know I'm talking about Michael Jackson. (Of course, Michael Jackson is a public figure and has been since the age of 5, so he has no privacy, unlike the 4th grader.)
Shades of Boys Don't Cry, anyone? I think Hilary Swank's a bit old to play the girl in the inevitable Lifetime movie to result. Way to make sure the poor kid gets stoned to death, Mom.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Man, their are some seriously uneducated asses lurking on ATOT. I wonder how it must feel to go through life in a perpetual fog of ingorant bliss with nothing but absolutes. While I feel the parents perhaps should have waited until the child was at least a teen I fully believe that this condition could exist. But, what do I know? I mean I've only read about it and watched shows with people who study this stuff for a living but the brain trust of ATOT knows so much more than they without even cracking open a book.
I for one am grateful to have discovered this fountain of knowledge here on ATOT. Who needs books, television or lectures when the everyday layperson knows all!!!!

:thumbsup:
Probably the best post in the thread thus far, although I liked Nebor's too.
I don't think this was a decision the parents made willy-nilly, I believe they put a bit of thought into this.
For all the people who think the kid is just a tomboy, would your opinion change if you found out the child had been born with severely malformed genitalia and the doctors at the time had recommended it be surgically altered and the child live as a girl, only to find out this decision was now causing the child severe mental problems?

 

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Man, their are some seriously uneducated asses lurking on ATOT. I wonder how it must feel to go through life in a perpetual fog of ingorant bliss with nothing but absolutes. While I feel the parents perhaps should have waited until the child was at least a teen I fully believe that this condition could exist. But, what do I know? I mean I've only read about it and watched shows with people who study this stuff for a living but the brain trust of ATOT knows so much more than they without even cracking open a book.
I for one am grateful to have discovered this fountain of knowledge here on ATOT. Who needs books, television or lectures when the everyday layperson knows all!!!!

:thumbsup:
Probably the best post in the thread thus far, although I liked Nebor's too.
I don't think this was a decision the parents made willy-nilly, I believe they put a bit of thought into this.
For all the people who think the kid is just a tomboy, would your opinion change if you found out the child had been born with severely malformed genitalia and the doctors at the time had recommended it be surgically altered and the child live as a girl, only to find out this decision was now causing the child severe mental problems?

Nakedfrog, you know such logic will not get you any further than talking to a brick wall.

 

[intogamer]

whoa.... I live in ma...

 

[machintos]

what's wrong with the world today?

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Classy should go fvck himself.

Hear! Hear!

There's no point in covering the obvious that has already been covered, but the one thing that I did not see yet directly mentioned in the entire thread ...

Is that being addressed/treated as a boy is the child's own deliberate choice.

Children DO have a sense of gender identity, and people with GID remember feeling trapped in the wrong gender body from early childhood.

 

[quakefiend420]

wtf is wrong with people?

 

[cerebusPu]

one girl graduated my highschool as a girl and applied and got into harvard as a guy.

 

[arcenite]

when she starts growing tits they'll change their mind real quick

 

[KoolDrew]

 

[kermalou]

it's PAT