4th grade girl to become a boy

[Rock Hydra]

I was reading that nowadays girls and boys are hitting puberty earlier, and these hormones are being produced at an earlier age. I bet it's the food that people are eating is causing this. So, I"m sure it's a quite valid argument that this is hormone based. I don't think the parents should have gone to this extreme just yet. This "It was in your best interest" bullcrap is out of hand. Her parents don't know what's in her best sexual interest. It's horrible what goes on nowadays.

"Some of the worst things immaginable have been done with the best of intentions"
-Some dude from JP3.

 

[cavemanmoron]

waah
I was born a boy,but,now I am a Man.
LOL

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, the amount of ignorance here is freaking incredible. Have any of you pondered the possibility that this "girl" should have been born as a boy? That her hormonal levels are similar to that of a boy. That certain people are born the wrong way and that medical science can fix these gender problems? Or do you all think that the "medical professionals" are pushing some sort of gay agenda?

Just my two cents, I don't know anyone in this predicament but I do now that these anomalies exist in our society.

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents.

wrong again, another person that doesn't belong in this thread

LOL Your going to tell me that a 10-11 yeard old child has a development of sexuality great enough to have her parents have start living as a boy? You have got to be kidding me. And please tell me you won't have children. Your about as flaky as a 3 dollar bill. Next you'll be telling me that a 2nd grader can give consent for sexual intercourse. :roll:

Yes, you're just ignorant. I can give you a link to the book you so desperately need to read. The parents knew the true sex based on chromosmes however when the article states "body of a girl" that likely means underdeveloped male genetalia. Therefore based on socieital standards they chose to "make" the child female based on appearance when in fact the child has the XY make up of a male. Now stop arguing.

I know this board has got some seriously strange people on it, but the homosexuals coming out of the closet here are using arguements that are just trashy at best. This a a classic homosexual agenda, no doubt. I don't have to read a book to understand that a 10 year old girl who may like sports and is Tomboyish, doesn't justify her mentally stupid parents, going to mentally stupid doctors to agree to now take a child and dress her and have her live a life of the opposite sex. There has been some homosexual arguements that have some merit, but for the life of God you can't possibly be making arguement that now we are to train children to live as the opposite sex even when they are in DAMN GRADE SCHOOL. You freaking pervert

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Meh, what's the big deal?

I'd be hopping mad if they said she was undergoing surgery to change her anatomy but this isn't a big deal. She'll probably grow out of it.

It's a big deal because when that kid grows up and finds out... do you know how incredibly terrible that will be? I mean can you grasp the thought of your entire life being a lie and the world being completely different?

The concept of a brain having a gender is just ridiculous.

You sir are an idiot. The brain knows whether it's male or female, how else to you think these things happen? Sex is biological, gender is constructed by outside influences. Often times, parents and doctors choose the incorrect sex simply based on unclear external genitalia. They choose a girl when the person is truly a boy. Do some reading, go to college, it helps.

I think these things happen because people are too open to the possibility that these things can happen. As a kid once said, "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina". What's in the head doesn't matter, it's what's in the pants.

you're getting dumber by the minute, stop posting

Wait wait, I'm dumb because I think gender is based on anatomy? Wait wait, lets throw out science altogether then. Because obviously we are all idiots.

Hold up guys, malak has advanced neurology and pyschology degrees and he is here as the definative expert on 'science'.

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, the amount of ignorance here is freaking incredible. Have any of you pondered the possibility that this "girl" should have been born as a boy? That her hormonal levels are similar to that of a boy. That certain people are born the wrong way and that medical science can fix these gender problems? Or do you all think that the "medical professionals" are pushing some sort of gay agenda?

Just my two cents, I don't know anyone in this predicament but I do now that these anomalies exist in our society.

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents.

Kids don't have sexual identity until puberty? So they're genderless entities that sproat a penis or grow a vagina when they turn 12 or so? Man, I'm gonna have to go back to school cause I missed something.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: classy




I know this board has got some seriously strange people on it, but the homosexuals coming out of the closet here are using arguements that are just trashy at best. This a a classic homosexual agenda, no doubt. I don't have to read a book to understand that a 10 year old girl who may like sports and is Tomboyish, doesn't justify her mentally stupid parents, going to mentally stupid doctors to agree to now take a child and dress her and have her live a life of the opposite sex. There has been some homosexual arguements that have some merit, but for the life of God you can't possibly be making arguement that now we are to train children to live as the opposite sex even when they are in DAMN GRADE SCHOOL. You freaking pervert

Hey Classless, how does it feel having your head shoved up your ass?? I'm not a homosexual, I'm just informed, unlike yourself. You sound very angry and paranoid, perhaps you are the homosexual hiding from your true feelings???

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: cloude27
that poor kid is going to be f*ed up the rest of his/her life

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: classy
I know this board has got some seriously strange people on it, but the homosexuals coming out of the closet here are using arguements that are just trashy at best. This a a classic homosexual agenda, no doubt. I don't have to read a book to understand that a 10 year old girl who may like sports and is Tomboyish, doesn't justify her mentally stupid parents, going to mentally stupid doctors to agree to now take a child and dress her and have her live a life of the opposite sex. There has been some homosexual arguements that have some merit, but for the life of God you can't possibly be making arguement that now we are to train children to live as the opposite sex even when they are in DAMN GRADE SCHOOL. You freaking pervert

Where is your source for any of the above? The article says nothing of being tomboyish or into sports. Read it again. You appear to have made the entire thing up in order to rationalize your opposition.

The only information we have points to the idea that she probably has AIS or some similar hormonal defect that prevented proper development of her genitals during early development.

 

[MisfitsFiend]

what's the story on Jamie Lee Curtis?? Anyone know?

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, the amount of ignorance here is freaking incredible. Have any of you pondered the possibility that this "girl" should have been born as a boy? That her hormonal levels are similar to that of a boy. That certain people are born the wrong way and that medical science can fix these gender problems? Or do you all think that the "medical professionals" are pushing some sort of gay agenda?

Just my two cents, I don't know anyone in this predicament but I do now that these anomalies exist in our society.

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents.

wrong again, another person that doesn't belong in this thread

LOL Your going to tell me that a 10-11 yeard old child has a development of sexuality great enough to have her parents have start living as a boy? You have got to be kidding me. And please tell me you won't have children. Your about as flaky as a 3 dollar bill. Next you'll be telling me that a 2nd grader can give consent for sexual intercourse. :roll:

Yes, you're just ignorant. I can give you a link to the book you so desperately need to read. The parents knew the true sex based on chromosmes however when the article states "body of a girl" that likely means underdeveloped male genetalia. Therefore based on socieital standards they chose to "make" the child female based on appearance when in fact the child has the XY make up of a male. Now stop arguing.

I know this board has got some seriously strange people on it, but the homosexuals coming out of the closet here are using arguements that are just trashy at best. This a a classic homosexual agenda, no doubt. I don't have to read a book to understand that a 10 year old girl who may like sports and is Tomboyish, doesn't justify her mentally stupid parents, going to mentally stupid doctors to agree to now take a child and dress her and have her live a life of the opposite sex. There has been some homosexual arguements that have some merit, but for the life of God you can't possibly be making arguement that now we are to train children to live as the opposite sex even when they are in DAMN GRADE SCHOOL. You freaking pervert

I actually tend to agree with classy here. Whatever this girl's sexual situation/orientation/identity, fourth grade is a bit young to be messing around with it. Let her grow up first, and decide for herself.

 

[classy]

This is a child and what her parents are doing is disgraceful. There are little girls who develop breasts young, does that mean now they should be allowed to treated as an adult woman and sleep with men. You can call me whatever you want, but I am done here. Its one thing to talk about the sexual identity of an adult but to now start with this kind of stuff concerning a 10-11 year old child its just nasty and perverted. Peace

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: MisfitsFiend
what's the story on Jamie Lee Curtis?? Anyone know?

It's all rumors and speculation. The rumor is that she has AIS. No one knows how the rumor got started really, and the only people close have denied it.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Wow, the amount of ignorance here is freaking incredible. Have any of you pondered the possibility that this "girl" should have been born as a boy? That her hormonal levels are similar to that of a boy. That certain people are born the wrong way and that medical science can fix these gender problems? Or do you all think that the "medical professionals" are pushing some sort of gay agenda?

Just my two cents, I don't know anyone in this predicament but I do now that these anomalies exist in our society.

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents.

wrong again, another person that doesn't belong in this thread

LOL Your going to tell me that a 10-11 yeard old child has a development of sexuality great enough to have her parents have start living as a boy? You have got to be kidding me. And please tell me you won't have children. Your about as flaky as a 3 dollar bill. Next you'll be telling me that a 2nd grader can give consent for sexual intercourse. :roll:

Yes, you're just ignorant. I can give you a link to the book you so desperately need to read. The parents knew the true sex based on chromosmes however when the article states "body of a girl" that likely means underdeveloped male genetalia. Therefore based on socieital standards they chose to "make" the child female based on appearance when in fact the child has the XY make up of a male. Now stop arguing.

I know this board has got some seriously strange people on it, but the homosexuals coming out of the closet here are using arguements that are just trashy at best. This a a classic homosexual agenda, no doubt. I don't have to read a book to understand that a 10 year old girl who may like sports and is Tomboyish, doesn't justify her mentally stupid parents, going to mentally stupid doctors to agree to now take a child and dress her and have her live a life of the opposite sex. There has been some homosexual arguements that have some merit, but for the life of God you can't possibly be making arguement that now we are to train children to live as the opposite sex even when they are in DAMN GRADE SCHOOL. You freaking pervert

I actually tend to agree with classy here. Whatever this girl's sexual situation/orientation/identity, fourth grade is a bit young to be messing around with it. Let her grow up first, and decide for herself.

Except we don't know that it has ANYTHING to do with sexual orientation or psychology. Classy is making all of the so-called reasoning by the parents up. We don't have any evidence that she was a "tomboy" or "into sports" or anything like that. He just supposed it because he's an ignorant bigot.

Based on the article, it seems like it is a birth defect.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I actually tend to agree with classy here. Whatever this girl's sexual situation/orientation/identity, fourth grade is a bit young to be messing around with it. Let her grow up first, and decide for herself.

I agree with that much. In situations like this, I think you're better off just letting her grow and decide for herself since picking one gender for the child is a dangerous idea.

Although its hard to agree with anything he says when he's ranting about this 'homosexual agenda' garbage, considering this has little to do with homosexuals at all. It'd be better if he just lumped them all under some generic term like 'sexual deviants' or 'non-heterosexual-missionary-only-sex-havers' so he'd at least be consistent. The nearest thing to logic I can fabricate to extend this thinking is that homosexuals are trying to turn the world's women into men so they be gay with them. Which is about as plausable as space aliens using rectal probes to spread their gay alien agenda.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

I love the way people take the measley amount of information presented in a crappy little article and somehow jump to conclusions like:

unlikely if her parents are convincing her she's really a boy - arkit

that poor kid is going to be f*ed up the rest of his/her life - cloude27

she's just a fvckin tomboy, and her parents are allowing her to have a sex change AT 9 YEARS OLD?!?!?!?! -kidvisiouc

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents. - classy

 

[mobobuff]

Obligatory

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
I love the way people take the measley amount of information presented in a crappy little article and somehow jump to conclusions like:

unlikely if her parents are convincing her she's really a boy - arkit

that poor kid is going to be f*ed up the rest of his/her life - cloude27

she's just a fvckin tomboy, and her parents are allowing her to have a sex change AT 9 YEARS OLD?!?!?!?! -kidvisiouc

Straight homosexual agenda. No way a 4th grade child has even come close to developing a sense of sexuality. Your just as stupid as this girl's parents. - classy

Are you saying she's not a tomboy who likes playing football and sports cars? I mean, come on, DUH, it's obvious she is based on the fact that they didn't tell us it wasn't true. Therefore it must be true. Similarly, she's also an alien from alpha centauri. And those wacky homosexuals with their agenda are trying to convert her from alpha centaurian tentacle dreadlock hair to brad pitt non tentacle hair. Since they didn't say it wasn't true and never mentioned anything remotely like that in the article, it MUST be true.

 

[PingSpike]

For more on this topic please see Something Awful's Horrors of Porn: One Night in Chyna.

 

[Nebor]

Classy should go fvck himself. This has nothing to do with the "homosexual agenda." There's not even anything about this kid in this month's homosexual newsletter. Now I'll agree that this kid's parents are foolish to allow such a young child to make a decision like this, but to suggest that the parents were influenced by homosexual lobbyists or supporters is ridiculous. These parents are stupid of their own accord, and have nothing to do with homosexuals. Classy just took this as a chance to air some of his hatred for gays.

 

[Yax]

I can only imagine of the orgy in the boys locker room in Jr High when they all see her (I mean him) naked during shower time.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: cloude27
that poor kid is going to be f*ed up the rest of his/her life

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[MovingTarget]

Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

 

[Sideswipe001]

I fail to see where the article says anything about it being any kind of medical condition.

The problem here is that everyone is generalizing and making wild assumptions. Some people assume there's a medical condition involved, or that the child was born with partially developed reproductive organs. Some people are assuming there was nothing "odd" about the child physically. The aritcle doesn't specify, so speculating is pointless.

That being said, if there is NO physical evidence that 'she' shouldn't be a girl, then I believe the parents are screwing her up big time, and that the poor girl will be absolutely made fun of and confused for a long time.

On the other hand if there IS a physical condition (the child was born in a state where they weren't sure, and they just made the call) I can see this as being something healthy for the 'girl' in question. However, I would disagree with the parents decision to leave them in the same school. It would be much, much easier if they put 'her' into a new school to begin life as a boy.

I tend to believe that this is a parents mistake, however, in this instance, because of one fact:

She is still "physically" a girl according to the article. If she is really a boy, and the doctors are trying to "fix" that mistake, why not really physically make the change?

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Ummm.....wtf? The girl is in fourth grade! What the parents are doing will probably be to the detriment of their child. I have heard of certain transgender children who were born of one sex, but with the wrong genetailia. If that were teh case, then such a move may be justified. However, nowhere does teh article state taht this is the case. It does in fact, say the opposite. "She said the child is still biologically a girl." Lets see.... has XX chromosomes.... has a vagina... check and check. I see no reason to "change genders" in the middle of childhood development. I forsee some major sexual identity issues later in life arising from this. If she were to grow up and decide to do so on her own, then that is fine, but this is just the case of parents being irresponsible. Being a tomboy is quite normal. This is rediculus.

The word "still" in "is still biologically a girl" led me to believe that they haven't performed any surgery on her. This is because you obviously can't change chromosomes.

What leads you to believe this is anything other than overly-progressive parents attempting to reassign the gender of this child?

It says explicitly in the article that she has the "BODY OF A GIRL" but the "MIND OF A BOY". This seems pretty clear that physiologically she is a girl... and the issue is psychological. Seems to me the parents are stupid. And until I see evidence to the contrary, your attempt to play Devil's Advocate here is failing miserably.

-Max

Male and female brains have some very decernable differences.