$5 a carat diamonds!

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ericlp

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Dec 24, 2000
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You can buy these at almost anyplace... Just type in man made diamonds on google. The hard part is to get a PERFECT one with out any defects. It would be nice to buy them graded.

I just think it would be cool to own a 'man made' one. I could give a rats ass about the natural ones. Matter of fact I'd probably pay more for man made since they will be more perfect.

 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
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i could care less about owning any kind of diamond for jewelry sakes..... just think of all the technological advances this could make feasible
 

Psee

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Jul 29, 2002
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The whole DeBeers manipulation/monopoly business model has always been a blight on the basic principles of supply and demand. It's about time technology throws these thugs out of business...
 

Yo2

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
From the article:

Wrong, says Jef Van Royen, a senior scientist at the Diamond High Council, the official representative of the diamond industry in Belgium. "If people really love each other, then they give each other the real stone," he says, during an interview at council headquarters on the Hoveniersstraat in Antwerp. "It is not a symbol of eternal love if it is something that was created last week."

It's silly to think that giving diamonds to someone means you love them. Giving someone the family jewels should be the determining factor of that.

ups

Interesting: If you note he is a scientist, but instead of arguing on the grounds of science (which he obviously cannot do since the new stones are seemingly perfect and indestinguishable from "real" diamonds) he argues based on emotion. This is as close to proof as possible to me that DeBeers and the whole diamond cartell will be history soon

Yo
 

TekDemon

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Mar 12, 2001
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Actually the ones made by Gemesis ARE distinguishable from the metal traces(read the last page of the Wired article) which someone pointed out to me(I hadn't read the whole article). And in fact, in some test a DeBeers person did they managed to tell easily that it was an artificially created one.

However, if you keep reading it appears that the Apollo diamonds(the ones made in secrecy because they think DeBeers will try to kill them) are 100% perfect...no trace of metals or anything, just pure carbon...

Now THAT is what DeBeers fears the most...100% undetectable artificial diamonds. However yes the more quickly available Gemesis diamonds are also unfeasable to test on small diamonds since the test is complex and expensive so small gemesis diamonds can pass undetected =)

Now, anybody know how to copy that dude in India and get a hold of these small Gemesis stones? You could make a killing...
 

Sparty

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Oct 10, 1999
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The problem i see is that if you can buy a 1 caret diamond for $5, who will want one, they will have the appeal of kids costume jewelry.
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
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^^^ exactly... now maybe diamonds for jewelry will become a thing of the past, and we can mass produce them and use them for something useful
 

mountaindewd

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Dec 13, 2002
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^^^ exactly... now maybe diamonds for jewelry will become a thing of the past, and we can mass produce them and use them for something useful


That would be a fine looking saw blade.
 

FreakyGuy

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Dec 12, 2001
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You guys are missing the point. A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds consistently which can be used to make CPU wafers. The U.S. Govt knows how to make pos and neg charged diamonds. Diamonds can run hotter than silicon therefore FASTER CPU's.

Who cares about the consumer jewelry diamond market. This is a major technological advance!
 

jamautosound

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Oct 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Yo2
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
From the article:

Wrong, says Jef Van Royen, a senior scientist at the Diamond High Council, the official representative of the diamond industry in Belgium. "If people really love each other, then they give each other the real stone," he says, during an interview at council headquarters on the Hoveniersstraat in Antwerp. "It is not a symbol of eternal love if it is something that was created last week."

It's silly to think that giving diamonds to someone means you love them. Giving someone the family jewels should be the determining factor of that.

ups

Interesting: If you note he is a scientist, but instead of arguing on the grounds of science (which he obviously cannot do since the new stones are seemingly perfect and indestinguishable from "real" diamonds) he argues based on emotion. This is as close to proof as possible to me that DeBeers and the whole diamond cartell will be history soon

Yo

Originally posted by: FreakyGuy
You guys are missing the point. A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds consistently which can be used to make CPU wafers. The U.S. Govt knows how to make pos and neg charged diamonds. Diamonds can run hotter than silicon therefore FASTER CPU's.

Who cares about the consumer jewelry diamond market. This is a major technological advance!

Agreed on both counts. Can't wait for both of these to happen.
 

Macro2

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May 20, 2000
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RE:"A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds"

The machines Gemesis uses are made in Russia.
OTOH, GE has been making industrial diamonds for years.

 

straubs

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Jan 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: FreakyGuy
You guys are missing the point. A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds consistently which can be used to make CPU wafers. The U.S. Govt knows how to make pos and neg charged diamonds. Diamonds can run hotter than silicon therefore FASTER CPU's.

Who cares about the consumer jewelry diamond market. This is a major technological advance!

YES! This is the point. When/if this happens, we will see ridiculous CPU advances. This will be like what silicon did for CPUs.
 

straubs

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Jan 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: Macro2
RE:"A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds"

The machines Gemesis uses are made in Russia.
OTOH, GE has been making industrial diamonds for years.

And the article states that GE's diamonds cost so much to make, that it's actually cheaper to buy mined diamonds. That's the key difference here. These are cheap to make.
 

KthxBye

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Aug 7, 2001
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Nobody is selling diamonds for $5 per carat, nor will they be once they are mass produced. $5 is what they cost to make not counting equipment costs. I highly doubt that at least initially, they'll be selling for any less than half the current price. However, if this does come true...what implications does this have for the diamond member rating?
 

jimmyhaha

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Jan 7, 2001
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FVCK Debeers....

- Price fixture (diamond is abundant in supply)
- brainwashing those with Y chromosome that diamond is forever.

no matter what, DeBeers will try and lobby a solution to protect their market, eliminate their competitors, sounds familar ?

(Worse) M$ < RIAA < DeBeers (The Worst)

M$ - copy ideas and popularize PC, products have a lot of secruity holes. <- Bad
RIAA - they leech on artists, which most of them make cr@ppy music. <- Worse
DeBeers - they brainwash women, make men work their ass to buy stone. <- The Worst

Read slashdot article...

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/26/1417214&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=141&tid=188&tid=98&tid=99

EOM
 

Macro2

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May 20, 2000
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RE:"M$ - copy ideas and popularize PC, products have a lot of secruity holes. <- Bad
RIAA - they leech on artists, which most of them make cr@ppy music. <- Worse
DeBeers - they brainwash women, make men work their ass to buy stone. <- The Worst"

Ok then, boycott MS, Music CDs and Diamonds...put your money where your pen is...
Actually, MS isn't even in the league with the other 2.
 

luto1999

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May 22, 2003
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I work in the diamond business as well, and was really intrigued by this process. I am trying to hypothesize what will happen if these new diamonds hit the market. I think if this is all true, and these diamonds can actually be mass produced, the jewelery market will crumble and have to rebuild itself. Only a small portion of the larger companies will make it through this, and the small guys wont be making enough money to stay in business. There still are colored stones, pearls, and much more, but i suppoese if society can accpet man made diamonds, they will much more easily be attracted to man made colored stones.
Now in reality I do find it hard to completely believe the claims of these companies. I think it's a scare tactic and that they are further off than they may want us to believe. The next ten years will be interesting though, and I have to say I think DeBeers is going to do something big that may suprise us all. These guys are smart, and are extremely rich, and have complete control over the diamond markets. They will not go down just like that. They overcame the moissanite scare, 99% of diamond testers in your local jewelery store can not tell the difference between the two. My boss has one, and I will soon. Cost is about $300 a carat I believe, although a trained eye may be able to see a difference if closely examined.
It's just one of those funny things, most customers whould shun the idea if i offered it to them, they probably wouldn't feel safe shopping at our store. The American public is scared of anything that isn't the norm, that hasn't been heavily endorsed by DeBeers, the rest of the retail industry, or the rest of society. The main problem these companies will have is making the public feel like they are actually buying a diamond, the same thing thats in their mothers ring they admired the past fifty years. I am anxious to see what other applications this will have in the semiconducter world, efficient, cheap, lightweight cell phones, computers, and who knows what else they will think of.
 

huesmann

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Dec 7, 1999
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So we've been brainwashed by DeBeers?

Originally posted by: gwlam12
i dont like this. my parents make a living off of selling diamonds
Your parents are minions of DeBeers?
 

Aharami

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Aug 31, 2001
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read the entire article....i think both these companies will do well in the future. if i was older and had more money id invest in them... also i wouldnt mind workin for the cutting edge diamond semiconductor technology. always wanted to do something cool and cutting edge. are they hiring? :wine:
 

DerProfi

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Jan 11, 2001
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Originally posted by: FreakyGuy
You guys are missing the point. A U.S. company has found out a way to make PERFECT unflawed diamonds consistently which can be used to make CPU wafers. The U.S. Govt knows how to make pos and neg charged diamonds. Diamonds can run hotter than silicon therefore FASTER CPU's.

Who cares about the consumer jewelry diamond market. This is a major technological advance!
And how much do you want to bet that this U.S. company, like so many others of a strategic nature, has already been infiltrated by Chinese government spies?
 
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