5 million Texas Children will receive textbook that whitewashes America's past

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Phokus

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You may want to go over his posts again, because you sound stupid. He clearly said that all things are important, but its impossible to teach all things because things like time is a limited resource so you have to pick and choose.

He said that if you were to take out something like the KKK and put in something more about civil rights ect, then that would be in his mind okay. He clearly is establishing balance based on of constrained limits of time, money, energy ect.

So what is the point you are arguing? Are you disagreeing that things are limited and all subjects of history should be covered?

Because maybe Civil Rights, Jim Crow, and KKK is covered in a different book. Maybe that's in the book for another grade level, or has its own class outright. All I'm saying is you cannot realistically critique a book you haven't even seen and aren't familiar with the content from based upon solely a few paragraphs from the Washington Post. If you can't grasp that for some reason and just want an excuse to complain about Texas then just say so.


The only ones that are stupid are you. The board declined to be interviewed. If it was a simple matter of reallocating those topics to another grade or book, that would have been an easy thing to counter with (hell, the journalists could have just looked it up themselves).

Use some fucking logic.
 

WHAMPOM

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There was a time when one had to go to the library, use the card catalog, subject, author, title, and perform research sometimes for hours, and if a text book was biased it could be a problem because you wouldn't know what to look for,

but in 2015,

With almost every kid having access to the INTERNET, either through their smartphone or some computer somewhere, with sites such as Google, Wikepedia, Snopes, Politifact, etc.,

some text book is going to have the power to whitewash history?

For the unbelievers



http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jim+crow

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kkk

I see you never heard of a banned book list.
 

Wreckem

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Nah, it's a stain on the south, which the GOP has taken to defend, since that's your base of power.

Just the south? Really? You must not know much about the KKK.

While the first and third iterations of the KKK were predominately comprised of southerners. The second iteration of the KKK had wide membership and controlled a lot of key governmental positions in many states/cities outside the south, they had control over larges sections of government in Indiana, Colorado, and Oregon. The second iteration of the KKK was also quite big in California, New Jersey, New York and Mass as well.

The second iteration of the KKK was far bigger than the first, or the third or the current hodge podge groups of today that call themselves the KKK.
 
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Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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There was a time when one had to go to the library, use the card catalog, subject, author, title, and perform research sometimes for hours, and if a text book was biased it could be a problem because you wouldn't know what to look for,

but in 2015,

With almost every kid having access to the INTERNET, either through their smartphone or some computer somewhere, with sites such as Google, Wikepedia, Snopes, Politifact, etc.,

some text book is going to have the power to whitewash history?

For the unbelievers



http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jim+crow

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kkk

Yes, American children are known to want to learn school topics on their own
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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If Jim Crow Laws, Civil Rights and Slavery are removed from history books what reason does the student have to look them up? How do they know what they don't know?

That is the single biggest problem with the intarwebs. Because of the apparently endless, all encompassing, nature of the internet, few realize the majority of human knowledge is not referenced, mentioned or, discussed online. Library classes taught me how to think not, just how to access material.
 
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The textbooks should show how Republicans fought to end slavery and how fiercely Democrats fought against civil rights for blacks. People need to know that it was Democrats who gave us the KKK and Jim Crow laws and that their beloved FDR's New Deal screwed blacks and how he didn't lift a finger to stop the lynchings. And they need to know how LBJ won over blacks to vote for Democrats the next 200 years. People need to know these things.

Southern Democrats were the worst thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.
 

realibrad

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The only ones that are stupid are you. The board declined to be interviewed. If it was a simple matter of reallocating those topics to another grade or book, that would have been an easy thing to counter with (hell, the journalists could have just looked it up themselves).

Use some fucking logic.

What are you arguing?

Glenn said 2 things. First was...

All textbooks require decisions about what to include or emphasize and what to exclude or only mention in passing. For example, if they had reduced the amount of material devoted to the KKK to include more about the Civil Rights Era of the 1950s and 60s that might be reasonable. But don't let lack of clear understanding about the complete contents of the textbook stop you from commenting about how terrible it is or how it's trying to "whitewash" history. We can decide that based on sheer heuristics based on the fact that Texas is involved and a couple paragraphs from an article whose writer likely has an axe to grind. And this story may be completely true in all regards, but I'm not going to accept it uncritically without any thought whatsoever.

What do you take that to mean?

Well, apparently you took it as saying that the KKK and Jim crow were not important. How you got that is confusing as he did not say it was unimportant.

Next he said this...

Every part of our history is important; the KKK and Jim Crow are and so is the Founding Fathers, the Civil Rights Era, labor movement history, Cold war, Native Peoples history, et cetera ad infinitum. Again, given the limits of teaching days in the school year what would you prioritize? Talking about tradeoffs isn't "making excuses" and that's exactly what I talked about in my post if you had actually read it and weren't acting in bad faith.

So he clearly is saying that your previous comment about him was wrong in terms of the KKK and Jim Crow being unimportant. He then pointed out that a school year is only so long, so you have to make choices on what will be taught during that year.

But you said fuck it and doubled down on stupid and said...

WTF, all of those are important. The KKK and Jim Crow laws aren't obscure minutiae in our history. We were able to cover all those topics in our school easily and even have room for black history. Stop making excuses.

So Glenn said
Every part of our history is important; the KKK and Jim Crow are and so is the Founding Fathers, the Civil Rights Era, labor movement history, Cold war, Native Peoples history, et cetera ad infinitum.

You said
WTF, all of those are important. The KKK and Jim Crow laws aren't obscure minutiae in our history. We were able to cover all those topics in our school easily and even have room for black history. Stop making excuses.

Do you not see why it seems like you are stupid? He is not saying the KKK or Jim Crow is unimportant, because he literally said they were important.
 

soundforbjt

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The textbooks should show how Republicans fought to end slavery and how fiercely Democrats fought against civil rights for blacks. People need to know that it was Democrats who gave us the KKK and Jim Crow laws and that their beloved FDR's New Deal screwed blacks and how he didn't lift a finger to stop the lynchings. And they need to know how LBJ won over blacks to vote for Democrats the next 200 years. People need to know these things.

Southern Democrats were the worst thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.

Except it's not Dems in Texas editing the books...
 

xBiffx

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That is the single biggest problem with the intarwebs. Because of the apparently endless, all encompassing, nature of the internet, few realize the majority of human knowledge is not referenced, mentioned or, discussed online. Library classes taught me how to think not, just how to access material.

Aha but you see, its all about what you know (in how much that is) that matters. Applying that knowledge is a very, very distant second if its a consideration at all. You are definitely right in saying the problem is with the internet today.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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People in the past are part of the Republican party now? Do you actually read what you type?

Actually, he is right. Southerners, which is a geographic group of people, used to vote democrat and now vote republican. So he is correct when he says those who were democrat are now republican. If you were to break down the party ideas, then those in the past would better be labeled as republicans today.

The south flipped because of racism and racism alone.
 

Moonbeam

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The textbooks should show how Republicans fought to end slavery and how fiercely Democrats fought against civil rights for blacks. People need to know that it was Democrats who gave us the KKK and Jim Crow laws and that their beloved FDR's New Deal screwed blacks and how he didn't lift a finger to stop the lynchings. And they need to know how LBJ won over blacks to vote for Democrats the next 200 years. People need to know these things.

Southern Democrats were the worst thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.

Isn't that the point? We need to put lots of gold stars on the work of the children of the South and keep them from knowing the awful truth of their past so they don't grow up self hatingly emotionally stunted, only to find out that what they are being taught to become is actually disgustingly hideous Democrats with a mere name change. Think of the children. Think of their tender egos. We don't want them growing up with a chip on their shoulders all nasty and defensive. Even bigots in training need love.
 
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Please disprove it. When the South was fighting integration was it mainly Dems or Repubs fighting it? The republicans welcomed the racist element of the democrats leaving the party with open arms.
You're a hoot! Too funny! But seriously...you should get tested.
 

xBiffx

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Have you read any history at all?

Actually, he is right. Southerners, which is a geographic group of people, used to vote democrat and now vote republican. So he is correct when he says those who were democrat are now republican. If you were to break down the party ideas, then those in the past would better be labeled as republicans today.

The south flipped because of racism and racism alone.

Read what was typed. The words that were actually used. How can people of the past makeup anything today?

Let me put it another way. THESE AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE.
 
Nov 30, 2006
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Isn't that the point? We need to put lots of gold stars on the work of the children of the South and keep them from knowing the awful truth of their past so they don't grow up self hatingly emotionally stunted, only to find out that what they are being taught to become is actually disgustingly hideous Democrats with a mere name change. Think of the children. Think of their tender egos. We don't want them growing up with a chip on their shoulders all nasty and defensive. Even bigots in training need love.
Bigots in training? Projection much?
 

soundforbjt

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Read what was typed. The words that were actually used. How can people of the past makeup anything today?

Let me put it another way. THESE AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE.

No people from the past don't live in the here and now, but their decendants do.
 

xBiffx

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No people from the past don't live in the here and now, but there decendents do.

And of course decedents don't change from their predecessors (republicans) except when they do (democrats).

Like Doc said, brilliant logic.
 
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