#5 PSU v Iowa

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Wow, I wonder why Iowa and Michigan are getting shafted in the rankings so badly??

I'm a hardcore PSU fan, but why the hell are we still ranked above both of those big 10 teams?? We got our clocks cleaned by one, and michigan has shown more promise than we have.

Beause Michigan struggled with Indiana! You don't reward them for a game that the refs blew either. It was clearly not an interception, they both caught the ball.

Settle down though. Indiana plays Ohio State next week followed by Iowa vs Michigan in 2 weeks. Plus Wisconsin plays Minnesota then Ohio State. We'll see who is a real contender in the Big Ten over the next 2 weeks.

 

[ebaycj]

Iowa always, ALWAYS gets shafted in the rankings. Everyone knows this.

Hawkeyes FTMFW.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Plenty of Big Ten and Pac-10 bias in the AP poll too.

lol more like the oppostite, especially the pac-10

 

[alexjohnson16]

Iowa got punished for the close game against UNI because most voters don't realize the caliber of team UNI is. The Panthers would probably finished fifth or sixth in the Big Ten (not saying great) and would probably give a lot of teams in the Top 25 a scare.

Rankings are worthless at this point anyways. I was confident in Iowa beating Penn State and am confident towards the rest of the season. We get a week to iron out some issues against Arkansas State and then we'll be ready to play Michigan. Hopefully Michigan wins next Saturday and then we get Game Day in Iowa City again, but it will probably be at Florida/LSU. Shame.

Iowa is for real this year, but has an absolutely brutal Big Ten schedule. They have to go to Madison, East Lansing and Columbus. If they can get to the Ohio State game without faltering, it will be the biggest regular season game I can remember. The Hawkeyes have what it takes, even though we've been awful at Columbus. Iron out some of the offensive issues and they will be downright scary.

 

[TheVrolok]

Terrible game for PSU. I've gotta go 70/30 with blame for the loss on Clark/The O-line. A good number of terrible decisions by Clark, and a lot of bad blocking by the O Line. A shame, too, because Penn State's defense played pretty well actually and easily gave PSU enough chances to win. But with absolutely no offense, what can you do. Sure, it was raining, but you've got to do something. The biggest shame, though, is that Penn State was at 5 to begin with .. what a joke, they should NEVER have been above 15 at the most. Now Iowa at 13? That's also a joke. Does ANYONE, including Iowa fans think there's even a chance they are the 13th best team in the country? Oh well, the Big Ten is looking awful all the way around this year. Sure, Mich is 4-0 and Iowa is 4-0.. but both are BARELY 4-0 and have played absolute garbage with the exception of Mich playing ND (does ND play defense anyway?) and Iowa playing PSU (Iowa didn't win that game as much as PSU lost it). As a Big Ten fan, it's just painful to watch any of our teams play.

 

[alexjohnson16]

I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

Better than 13th? Come on man, honestly? Iowa's bend but not break D? Clark threw 3 picks, at least one of which hit your LB in the chest. Royster fumbled. And you scored by having a punt blocked by a DE. 5 turnovers, 1 of which directly led to points, and one of those picks gave you the ball on the, what, 35, going in? So please, don't tell me how staunch your defense is, or how great your offense was. Did you outplay Penn State? Absolutely, without a shadow of doubt. But PSU played like shit, plain and simple. Honestly, if Penn State had won, I would have felt badly for Iowa as PSU surely didn't deserve to win. Penn State was incredibly overranked, and now, so is Iowa.

 

[ChanHo78]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

Better than 13th? Come on man, honestly? Iowa's bend but not break D? Clark threw 3 picks, at least one of which hit your LB in the chest. Royster fumbled. And you scored by having a punt blocked by a DE. 5 turnovers, 1 of which directly led to points, and one of those picks gave you the ball on the, what, 35, going in? So please, don't tell me how staunch your defense is, or how great your offense was. Did you outplay Penn State? Absolutely, without a shadow of doubt. But PSU played like shit, plain and simple. Honestly, if Penn State had won, I would have felt badly for Iowa as PSU surely didn't deserve to win. Penn State was incredibly overranked, and now, so is Iowa.

Ah the salty tears of psu fans taste great!

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: ChanHo78

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

Better than 13th? Come on man, honestly? Iowa's bend but not break D? Clark threw 3 picks, at least one of which hit your LB in the chest. Royster fumbled. And you scored by having a punt blocked by a DE. 5 turnovers, 1 of which directly led to points, and one of those picks gave you the ball on the, what, 35, going in? So please, don't tell me how staunch your defense is, or how great your offense was. Did you outplay Penn State? Absolutely, without a shadow of doubt. But PSU played like shit, plain and simple. Honestly, if Penn State had won, I would have felt badly for Iowa as PSU surely didn't deserve to win. Penn State was incredibly overranked, and now, so is Iowa.

Ah the salty tears of psu fans taste great!

Did you read my post? I'm not bitter at all, nor am I surprised. Penn State was incredibly overratted and Iowa has historically played Penn State well. PSU had not gotten it's run game going, the oline needed work, and it was raining. I had no expectations from PSU on Saturday. They played terribly, and they lost, not a shocker. However, arguing that the game made Iowa look like a contender, is absolutely absurd. Once again, it's just more proof that the Big Ten is a pretty weak conference. But hey, it's just easier for you to post an incorrect one liner.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

Better than 13th? Come on man, honestly? Iowa's bend but not break D? Clark threw 3 picks, at least one of which hit your LB in the chest. Royster fumbled. And you scored by having a punt blocked by a DE. 5 turnovers, 1 of which directly led to points, and one of those picks gave you the ball on the, what, 35, going in? So please, don't tell me how staunch your defense is, or how great your offense was. Did you outplay Penn State? Absolutely, without a shadow of doubt. But PSU played like shit, plain and simple. Honestly, if Penn State had won, I would have felt badly for Iowa as PSU surely didn't deserve to win. Penn State was incredibly overranked, and now, so is Iowa.

The defensive line led to two of those picks, IIRC.

Iowa gave up 147 yards in the first quarter. From that point on, Iowa gave up 160 yards over the final three quarters. All four turnovers were forced in the final three quarters.

Considering how awful Iowa was offensively in the first half, Penn State should consider itself lucky that it wasn't a complete blowout. Tons of dropped passes and a few bad throws by Stanzi.

I'm telling you the offense isn't good. It's maddeningly inconsistent but can be effective.

And yes, I do think we're better than 13th, and will show it throughout the season. Time will only tell though, as I referenced earlier with the megatough Big Ten slate. We get all the good BT teams on the road (with exception of Michigan). We shall see.

 

[ChanHo78]

I am not saying they are contenders, and at rank 13 I don't think the ap is either There is a lot of season left and Iowa has some tough games. This was one of our toughest though, playing at PSU in front of 100k angry fans itching for revenge from last year. You can't really take away what Iowa did, but it sure seems you are trying lol. :beer: to next season for you!

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
I think Iowa's better than 13th, call me a homer.

And lol at the jabs at Iowa. You got outplayed in the second half, and you lost. This might be one of the better defenses Iowa has had in a while, and like I said above, if the offense gets clicking they'll be very tough to play against. And you can say Iowa's played garbage, but they've played top-three FCS team in UNI (which has crushed its next opponents), a state-mandated game against awful Iowa State, and a decent BCS team in Arizona. They then went into State College and darkened the White Out. Penn State had one good drive all game, and Iowa's bend-but-not-break defense buckled down and held the Lions to a field goal. Minus a coverage gaffe on the first play of scrimmage, Penn State was held to three points.

Iowa seems to use the same blueprint that has pissed people off for years: stellar defense and special teams to subsidize a vanilla and inconsistent offense. This year is no different, and I think they'll be a tough play for the rest of the year.

Better than 13th? Come on man, honestly? Iowa's bend but not break D? Clark threw 3 picks, at least one of which hit your LB in the chest. Royster fumbled. And you scored by having a punt blocked by a DE. 5 turnovers, 1 of which directly led to points, and one of those picks gave you the ball on the, what, 35, going in? So please, don't tell me how staunch your defense is, or how great your offense was. Did you outplay Penn State? Absolutely, without a shadow of doubt. But PSU played like shit, plain and simple. Honestly, if Penn State had won, I would have felt badly for Iowa as PSU surely didn't deserve to win. Penn State was incredibly overranked, and now, so is Iowa.

The defensive line led to two of those picks, IIRC.

Iowa gave up 147 yards in the first quarter. From that point on, Iowa gave up 160 yards over the final three quarters. All four turnovers were forced in the final three quarters.

Considering how awful Iowa was offensively in the first half, Penn State should consider itself lucky that it wasn't a complete blowout. Tons of dropped passes and a few bad throws by Stanzi.

I'm telling you the offense isn't good. It's maddeningly inconsistent but can be effective.

And yes, I do think we're better than 13th, and will show it throughout the season. Time will only tell though, as I referenced earlier with the megatough Big Ten slate. We get all the good BT teams on the road (with exception of Michigan). We shall see.

Megatough Big Ten slate? Who's good in the Big Ten? OSU, perhaps ... although Pryor looks like an absolute clown? Penn State? Wait, they squeaked out wins against Syracuse, Temple, and Akron and then played like garbage against Iowa (albeit in a downpour). Michigan? Squeaked out a win against ND (though neither team played any D) and should have lost a game to Indiana. I think this season is showing how completely worthles these rankings can be and how they really shouldn't be held to much regard. You saw what VT did to Miami, you think Iowa would even have a shot there? I'm not trying to take a shot at Iowa, neither am I sticking up for PSU - I'm simply saying that the Big Ten is weak and conference games don't really indicate a whole hell of a lot. Routing on your team is one thing, but being delusional about our conference is another. Look at the big 6 Conferences.. SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, Pac-10... Big Ten is easily the second worst conference on that list in front of the Big East. Not that the Pac-10/Big 12/ACC are absolutely fantastic.. but they're producing better records than the Big 10 and more bowl winners.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: ChanHo78
I am not saying they are contenders, and at rank 13 I don't think the ap is either There is a lot of season left and Iowa has some tough games. This was one of our toughest though, playing at PSU in front of 100k angry fans itching for revenge from last year. You can't really take away what Iowa did, but it sure seems you are trying lol. :beer: to next season for you!

Trying to take it away? I've said, numerous times, that Iowa absolutely deserved to win that game. Without a doubt. Hell, the series is tied 11-11 now isn't it? and Ferentz is 7-2 vs PSU so I wasn't at all surprised. I don't think Iowa is garbage, they're definitely one of the better big 10 teams - I'm just saying that, in and of itself, saying you're one of the better big 10 teams is meaningless in a national setting. I enjoy football for what it is, and I'm first and foremost a PSU fan, but I'm also a big 10 fan and would love to see our conference represent ... we just don't. Is Iowa terrible? No. Are they the 13th team in NCAAF? No.

 

[alexjohnson16]

Iowa has been the only Big Ten team to consistently perform well in bowl season. They don't back down. Wins over LSU, Florida, South Carolina, Texas Tech, and damn near got Texas a few years back in the Alamo Bowl. Should have another one over but got the ultimate screwjob in the 2005 Outback Bowl. The Hawks did get lit up against USC in 2003, but that was a USC team that would've crushed both the NC games.

You can debate the interconference stuff, but Iowa has done what it has to do at this point. Won every game. So you can entertain every theoretical situation possible. But they can't go out and play the Floridas of the world whenever they want.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
Iowa has been the only Big Ten team to consistently perform well in bowl season.

This is exactly my point, you really must be honest to yourself about your own team. The only team to perform well in bowl season? Huh? Iowa has a bowl record of 12-10-1, going 4-3 in the last decade (only playing in 7 bowl games in those 10 years). Penn State has a bowl record of 26-13-2 (second highest winning % in Div 1 football), and a 4-2 record in the last decade. So clearly their "recent" performance is identical with favor going to PSU over the course of history. OSU and Mich have both played in nearly 40 bowl games as well, but unfortunately their bowl wins aren't as common overall, however; OSU/Mich are both 5-5 in the last decade, so they've both shown up more than Iowa, but do have a lower win %.

So please tell me exactly where is the data on which you base your claims? Man, I haven't been trying to tell you that Iowa is awful - I think they've been, consistently, one of the better Big 10 teams for years. But there's no reason to go assume anything more than that based on well.. anything. Maybe I'm just a realist.