50 Palestinians, including civilians, have died since Israel began the operation

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

 

[Riprorin]

The Israel's treat the "Palestinians" far better than the Jordanians, their Arab brethern did.

The Palestinians are merely pawns used by the Arabs to attempt to try to destroy Israel.

In that sense, I have some sympathy for them. Otherwise, I have none.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

No they just bulldoze homes and bomb children. Remember Pals have no recourse, they do not have AMERICAN TAX PAYER SUPPLIED F-16's and Abrams tanks. Therefore it makes it virtually impossible to hit military targets that are armed to the teeth. So what do they do? They use dirtier tactics to get revenge. We may not agree with it but I guarantee you if we were put under the same circumstances with some people claiming divine right over the USA and building settlements over our homes, we'd likely take similar actions. It's easy to criticize people when you aren't put in a similar situation.

:roll:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The Israel's treat the "Palestinians" far better than the Jordanians, their Arab brethern did.

The Palestinians are merely pawns used by the Arabs to attempt to try to destroy Israel.

In that sense, I have some sympathy for them. Otherwise, I have none.

That's a weak excuse used to justify Israeli tyranny.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: hatim
The sad truth is the world still is not racism /religios hatred free. Its almost as if Israelis are more imprtant the palestenians. 50 palestenians? So what? 400 Iraqis? So what? Next day it, 5 Israeilis and 3 americans and the world is like OMG!!! And Israel/america just assumes that they killed millitants. Thats modern justive for you. A

What gets me is targetting.

IDF incursions/raids target militants. I won't insult your intellect by saying only militants are killed but If the opportunity arose such that the IDF could only take out the militant they wanted while sparing the lives of innocent Palestinian civilians, they'd certainly take it.

Who do suicide bombers target?

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
No they just bulldoze homes and bomb children. Remember Pals have no recourse, they do not have AMERICAN TAX PAYER SUPPLIED F-16's and Abrams tanks. Therefore it makes it virtually impossible to hit military targets that are armed to the teeth. So what do they do? They use dirtier tactics to get revenge. We may not agree with it but I guarantee you if we were put under the same circumstances with some people claiming divine right over the USA and building settlements over our homes, we'd likely take similar actions. It's easy to criticize people when you aren't put in a similar situation.

:roll:

I thought Israel used the Merkava...

 

[ConantheBarbarian]

Palestinian civilians in Israel's sights?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
No they just bulldoze homes and bomb children. Remember Pals have no recourse, they do not have AMERICAN TAX PAYER SUPPLIED F-16's and Abrams tanks. Therefore it makes it virtually impossible to hit military targets that are armed to the teeth. So what do they do? They use dirtier tactics to get revenge. We may not agree with it but I guarantee you if we were put under the same circumstances with some people claiming divine right over the USA and building settlements over our homes, we'd likely take similar actions. It's easy to criticize people when you aren't put in a similar situation.

:roll:

It's comments like this one that make me wish I hadn't decided to no longer enter these threads.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

WWII War Deaths

Germany 5.69 million
Great Britain 495,000
United States 413,000

So I guess the Germans were oppressed by the tyrannical USA and Great Britain....?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

WWII War Deaths

Germany 5.69 million
Great Britain 495,000
United States 413,000

So I guess the Germans were oppressed by the tyrannical USA and Great Britain....?

godwin says you loose

but realy take a look at the graphs, browse through them and take a notice at the blue peaks when suicide attacks happen, then count the number of palestinians killed between those peeks so far of this year

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The Israel's treat the "Palestinians" far better than the Jordanians, their Arab brethern did.

The Palestinians are merely pawns used by the Arabs to attempt to try to destroy Israel.

In that sense, I have some sympathy for them. Otherwise, I have none.

This is a perfect example of what's dangerous about political ideology - it lets otherwise decent people exhibit categorical distaste toward an entire group (in this case, Palestinians). Apparently Palestinian children are worth less than Israeli children, and military attacks directly planned and executed by the Israeli government are fine, whereas guerilla Palestinian attacks are the work of the devil.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

WWII War Deaths

Germany 5.69 million
Great Britain 495,000
United States 413,000

So I guess the Germans were oppressed by the tyrannical USA and Great Britain....?

Yes, this makes everything we do right because we are truly victims.

Or you are, not me.

Czar is right, Godwin says you lost the argument.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

WWII War Deaths

Germany 5.69 million
Great Britain 495,000
United States 413,000

So I guess the Germans were oppressed by the tyrannical USA and Great Britain....?

Yes, this makes everything we do right because we are truly victims.

Or you are, not me.

Czar is right, Godwin says you lost the argument.

Never said we're victims or anything like it... but this garbage of trying to prove who's the good guy, and who's the bad guy in an armed conflict based upon the number of casualties is absolute utter garbage.

It proves nothing...

Anytime anyone kills anyone else, it's a bad thing... this whole morality good guy bad guy good evil bullsh!t is bunk. However it's also the only thing that allows the Palestinians to exist... I.E. Israel's attempts to be moral. Certainly the Palestinians don't give a crap about being moral.

All you fools who scream bloody murder everytime Israel takes action in Gaza, are completely out of touch with reality... were your country under similiar attack, you would respond in exactly the same way... and most likely worse at first.

-Max

 

[biostud]

What I don't understand is that the policy which now has been used for ~30 years and haven't proven effective is continued. Every time a person is killed on either side they take a step farther away..... the same is happening in Iraq. If you kill an innocent civilian you get their whole family against you, so if you kill some terrorists but at the same time kill 50 civilians, the terrorists won't have any problems recruteing new suicide bombers. The eye for an eye politics have to stop, if there is going to be any hope for peace. The question is, who has the guts to take the first step?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good.

Why not just exterminate the Palestinans and then the Israelites can have the land GOD SAID WAS THEIRS

God doesn't like Palestinians anyways, right?

I bet Jesus would slap those bitches around and show them who OWNS THAT LAND .. you go homey .. slap them mofo's around.. Kill Em All Jesuss .. Kill em all... get em boy.. kill those Pallys.

Are you okay?

Take a look at your response to death of innocent Palestinains???

I don't see Israeli's blowing themselves inorder to inflict maximum civilian casualties like the Palestinian homicide bombers. Apparently that doesn't trouble you.

From Sept. 29, 2000 to September 29, 2004:

Israeli Dead: 931
Palestinian Dead: 3252
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

WWII War Deaths

Germany 5.69 million
Great Britain 495,000
United States 413,000

So I guess the Germans were oppressed by the tyrannical USA and Great Britain....?

Yes, this makes everything we do right because we are truly victims.

Or you are, not me.

Czar is right, Godwin says you lost the argument.

Never said we're victims or anything like it... but this garbage of trying to prove who's the good guy, and who's the bad guy in an armed conflict based upon the number of casualties is absolute utter garbage.

It proves nothing...

Anytime anyone kills anyone else, it's a bad thing... this whole morality good guy bad guy good evil bullsh!t is bunk. However it's also the only thing that allows the Palestinians to exist... I.E. Israel's attempts to be moral. Certainly the Palestinians don't give a crap about being moral.

All you fools who scream bloody murder everytime Israel takes action in Gaza, are completely out of touch with reality... were your country under similiar attack, you would respond in exactly the same way... and most likely worse at first.

-Max

Stop bringing it up then, i don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the Palestinian-Israel conflict, does it?

I seriously think many needs to stop seing themselves as victims and concentrate on the situation at hand today.

Don't kid yourself though, Israel would eradicate Palestine if it had a chance to get away with it, but they know that it would mean the end of Israel.

At times it IS bloody murder, call it what it is and critizise it hard, change and peace can never come as long as you are forgiving one side while blaming the other. Give the settlements back, if they want a wall, it has to be on Israeli land, nowhere else, now THAT is a deal that a Palestinian leader could present and get support for.

When the Isrelis are keeping their land, removing their homes, building a wall on land that is not theirs and keep bombing and shooting in civilian areas and against unarmed people the Palestinians will have no will to do anything but to retaliate in the ONLY way they can and some people think that Israel should NEVER be critizised for doing anything and are quick to shoult anti-semite and remind people about the holocaust.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Doboji
Never said we're victims or anything like it... but this garbage of trying to prove who's the good guy, and who's the bad guy in an armed conflict based upon the number of casualties is absolute utter garbage.

It proves nothing...

Anytime anyone kills anyone else, it's a bad thing... this whole morality good guy bad guy good evil bullsh!t is bunk. However it's also the only thing that allows the Palestinians to exist... I.E. Israel's attempts to be moral. Certainly the Palestinians don't give a crap about being moral.

All you fools who scream bloody murder everytime Israel takes action in Gaza, are completely out of touch with reality... were your country under similiar attack, you would respond in exactly the same way... and most likely worse at first.

-Max

you have a point there but the thing is each time Israel does something its excuse is they are retaliating from some action taken by the palestinians but when you look at the graph and the constant rate of israelis killing palestinians then how on earth can it be a retaliation or preventing anything?

 

[Doboji]

Stop bringing it up then, i don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the Palestinian-Israel conflict, does it?

I seriously think many needs to stop seing themselves as victims and concentrate on the situation at hand today.

Don't kid yourself though, Israel would eradicate Palestine if it had a chance to get away with it, but they know that it would mean the end of Israel.

At times it IS bloody murder, call it what it is and critizise it hard, change and peace can never come as long as you are forgiving one side while blaming the other. Give the settlements back, if they want a wall, it has to be on Israeli land, nowhere else, now THAT is a deal that a Palestinian leader could present and get support for.

When the Isrelis are keeping their land, removing their homes, building a wall on land that is not theirs and keep bombing and shooting in civilian areas and against unarmed people the Palestinians will have no will to do anything but to retaliate in the ONLY way they can and some people think that Israel should NEVER be critizised for doing anything and are quick to shoult anti-semite and remind people about the holocaust.

I didnt bring it up... someone else brought up the numbers to indicate the Israelis were the "bad guys".

I do call it what it is... it's war, plain, ugly, and nasty... People are dying, I'm rooting for the Israelis whats the confusion here?...

Nice that you want the wall to be on Israeli territory... sounds great... is it doable? Absolutely not. Give the settlements back... sure easily done... after all Israel isn't a democracy, and therefore can skip all political complications and do whatever they want! No problem... :disgust:

You're out of touch... it's easy to sit back and play armchair politician, and point fingers and say Israel should do this, and Israel should do that... but the fact of the matter is, there are complex realities going on here that transcend "good guy versus bad guy"... everyone has an opinion, and everyone has some power.

When has a Palestinian leader ever offered a plan that was even remotely possible?... The only one I've ever heard is Sari Nusseiba(sp?) and the man has less power than the UN armed forces...
Every other peace offer includes the insidious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

-Max

edit: Wow... I need to retake english

 

[DWW]

Every other peace offer includes the insedious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

:Q

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Stop bringing it up then, i don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the Palestinian-Israel conflict, does it?

I seriously think many needs to stop seing themselves as victims and concentrate on the situation at hand today.

Don't kid yourself though, Israel would eradicate Palestine if it had a chance to get away with it, but they know that it would mean the end of Israel.

At times it IS bloody murder, call it what it is and critizise it hard, change and peace can never come as long as you are forgiving one side while blaming the other. Give the settlements back, if they want a wall, it has to be on Israeli land, nowhere else, now THAT is a deal that a Palestinian leader could present and get support for.

When the Isrelis are keeping their land, removing their homes, building a wall on land that is not theirs and keep bombing and shooting in civilian areas and against unarmed people the Palestinians will have no will to do anything but to retaliate in the ONLY way they can and some people think that Israel should NEVER be critizised for doing anything and are quick to shoult anti-semite and remind people about the holocaust.

I didnt bring it up... someone else brought up the numbers to indicate the Israelis were the "bad guys".

I do call it what it is... it's war, plain, ugly, and nasty... People are dying, I'm rooting for the Israelis whats the confusion here?...

Nice that you want the wall to be on Israeli territory... sounds great... is it doable? Absolutely not. Give the settlements back... sure easily done... after all Israel isn't a democracy, and therefore can skip all political complications and do whatever they want! No problem... :disgust:

You're out of touch... it's easy to sit back and play armchair politician, and point fingers and say Israel should do this, and Israel should do that... but the fact of the matter is, there are complex realities going on here that transcend "good guy versus bad guy"... everyone has an opinion, and everyone has some power.

When has a Palestinian leader ever offered a plan that was even remotely possible?... The only one I've ever heard is Sari Nusseiba(sp?) and the man has less power than the UN armed forces...
Every other peace offer includes the insidious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

-Max

edit: Wow... I need to retake english

Well those numbers DO have something to do with this conflict, the WWII numbers don't, you do understand that, don't you?

I gave an example of how peace can be won, don't want that, i really REALLY am too fvcking tired of hearing of the moaning and the groaning when Israelis drive people away from their homes and the Palestinians retalieate.

I am ok with this, just nuke the area, Israel AND Palestine, how about that, snotnosed whiney idiots who bicker and bicker and cause more pain and disturbance than any other two countries in the world. Two little bratty A-hole kids sitting in a sandbox and both claim to be better than the other but both are throwing just as much sand, the Jewish one just has a bigger shovel.

My suggestion is fair AND doable, what is yours?

 

[Klixxer]

Every other peace offer includes the insidious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

Brace yourself Max, you are in for a bumpy ride now.

 

[Doboji]

Well those numbers DO have something to do with this conflict, the WWII numbers don't, you do understand that, don't you?

No I don't... How are they different? and how do they not prove my point?

I am ok with this, just nuke the area, Israel AND Palestine, how about that, snotnosed whiney idiots who bicker and bicker and cause more pain and disturbance than any other two countries in the world. Two little bratty A-hole kids sitting in a sandbox and both claim to be better than the other but both are throwing just as much sand, the Jewish one just has a bigger shovel.

How about instead... you mind your business and stop the running commentary, and finger pointing. They don't cause more trouble than any other conflict in the world... we just pay attention more because it's the "holy land"... FAR more people die in almost any other conflict on the globe. This is probably the LEAST bloody conflict going on.

I gave an example of how peace can be won, don't want that, i really REALLY am too fvcking tired of hearing of the moaning and the groaning when Israelis drive people away from their homes and the Palestinians retalieate.

Ahhh yes we should excuse the Palestinian response, and condemn the Israeli response... after all the innocent Palestinian is thrown from his home... he has no choice left but to bomb children... and blow up buses with innocent people... makes perfect sense to me.
:disgust:

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Every other peace offer includes the insidious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

Brace yourself Max, you are in for a bumpy ride now.

Bring it

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Well those numbers DO have something to do with this conflict, the WWII numbers don't, you do understand that, don't you?

No I don't... How are they different? and how do they not prove my point?

I am ok with this, just nuke the area, Israel AND Palestine, how about that, snotnosed whiney idiots who bicker and bicker and cause more pain and disturbance than any other two countries in the world. Two little bratty A-hole kids sitting in a sandbox and both claim to be better than the other but both are throwing just as much sand, the Jewish one just has a bigger shovel.

How about instead... you mind your business and stop the running commentary, and finger pointing. They don't cause more trouble than any other conflict in the world... we just pay attention more because it's the "holy land"... FAR more people die in almost any other conflict on the globe. This is probably the LEAST bloody conflict going on.

I gave an example of how peace can be won, don't want that, i really REALLY am too fvcking tired of hearing of the moaning and the groaning when Israelis drive people away from their homes and the Palestinians retalieate.

Ahhh yes we should excuse the Palestinian response, and condemn the Israeli response... after all the innocent Palestinian is thrown from his home... he has no choice left but to bomb children... and blow up buses with innocent people... makes perfect sense to me.
:disgust:

-Max

One of the numbers are regarding the recent casualties that happened in the conflict we are discussing, the other number is 60 years old and has nothing to do with the current conflict, if you do not get it i don't know what to say.

I am just so tired of this idiocy.

NO YOU FVCKING MORON, both of them are IDOTIC AN INEXCUSABLE! THAT IS MY POINT!

You want Israel to be excused, i don't, Sultan wants Hamas et al to be excused and i don't, both of you are just sides of the same fvcked up coin that isn't worth the metal it is made of if you ask me.

Now you can cry anti-semite and the irony will be complete.

I am done Max, i held you to higher standards than you can live up to, that much is clear, when you cannot even figure out why WWII casualties has NOTHING to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict casualties i have to just dismiss you as a zealot victim.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Every other peace offer includes the insidious "right of return" which actually translates to "right to destroy israel by population"

Brace yourself Max, you are in for a bumpy ride now.

Bring it

I won't, but there are two members of this forum who usually do, unless that only goes for Europeans where they are grasping as hell trying to find something so they can shout "racist" in this case no grasping will be neccessary.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Well those numbers DO have something to do with this conflict, the WWII numbers don't, you do understand that, don't you?

No I don't... How are they different? and how do they not prove my point?

I am ok with this, just nuke the area, Israel AND Palestine, how about that, snotnosed whiney idiots who bicker and bicker and cause more pain and disturbance than any other two countries in the world. Two little bratty A-hole kids sitting in a sandbox and both claim to be better than the other but both are throwing just as much sand, the Jewish one just has a bigger shovel.

How about instead... you mind your business and stop the running commentary, and finger pointing. They don't cause more trouble than any other conflict in the world... we just pay attention more because it's the "holy land"... FAR more people die in almost any other conflict on the globe. This is probably the LEAST bloody conflict going on.

I gave an example of how peace can be won, don't want that, i really REALLY am too fvcking tired of hearing of the moaning and the groaning when Israelis drive people away from their homes and the Palestinians retalieate.

Ahhh yes we should excuse the Palestinian response, and condemn the Israeli response... after all the innocent Palestinian is thrown from his home... he has no choice left but to bomb children... and blow up buses with innocent people... makes perfect sense to me.
:disgust:

-Max

One of the numbers are regarding the recent casualties that happened in the conflict we are discussing, the other number is 60 years old and has nothing to do with the current conflict, if you do not get it i don't know what to say.

I am just so tired of this idiocy.

NO YOU FVCKING MORON, both of them are IDOTIC AN INEXCUSABLE! THAT IS MY POINT!

You want Israel to be excused, i don't, Sultan wants Hamas et al to be excused and i don't, both of you are just sides of the same fvcked up coin that isn't worth the metal it is made of if you ask me.

Now you can cry anti-semite and the irony will be complete.

I am done Max, i held you to higher standards than you can live up to, that much is clear, when you cannot even figure out why WWII casualties has NOTHING to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict casualties i have to just dismiss you as a zealot victim.

Anti-semite!!!!!

The WWII figures are to prove a point... that is... simply saying one side has more casualties does nothing to prove who is the good guy and who the bad guy is. In WWII Germany was clearly the "bad guy".... in fact one of the only cases in human history where you can neatly point to the bad guy. And yet Germany definitly suffered higher casualties than the Allies (exception Russia). Thus simply looking at casualty numbers doesnt help to differentiate opressor from opressed....

I'm not saying Israel should be "excused".... however this continuous armchair idiot condemnation of Israel is getting tiresome. Israel is constantly seen as the tyrannical opressor of the hapless Palestinians... this is bullsh!t. Period.

-Max

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Doboji

Well those numbers DO have something to do with this conflict, the WWII numbers don't, you do understand that, don't you?

No I don't... How are they different? and how do they not prove my point?

I am ok with this, just nuke the area, Israel AND Palestine, how about that, snotnosed whiney idiots who bicker and bicker and cause more pain and disturbance than any other two countries in the world. Two little bratty A-hole kids sitting in a sandbox and both claim to be better than the other but both are throwing just as much sand, the Jewish one just has a bigger shovel.

How about instead... you mind your business and stop the running commentary, and finger pointing. They don't cause more trouble than any other conflict in the world... we just pay attention more because it's the "holy land"... FAR more people die in almost any other conflict on the globe. This is probably the LEAST bloody conflict going on.

I gave an example of how peace can be won, don't want that, i really REALLY am too fvcking tired of hearing of the moaning and the groaning when Israelis drive people away from their homes and the Palestinians retalieate.

Ahhh yes we should excuse the Palestinian response, and condemn the Israeli response... after all the innocent Palestinian is thrown from his home... he has no choice left but to bomb children... and blow up buses with innocent people... makes perfect sense to me.
:disgust:

-Max

One of the numbers are regarding the recent casualties that happened in the conflict we are discussing, the other number is 60 years old and has nothing to do with the current conflict, if you do not get it i don't know what to say.

I am just so tired of this idiocy.

NO YOU FVCKING MORON, both of them are IDOTIC AN INEXCUSABLE! THAT IS MY POINT!

You want Israel to be excused, i don't, Sultan wants Hamas et al to be excused and i don't, both of you are just sides of the same fvcked up coin that isn't worth the metal it is made of if you ask me.

Now you can cry anti-semite and the irony will be complete.

I am done Max, i held you to higher standards than you can live up to, that much is clear, when you cannot even figure out why WWII casualties has NOTHING to do with the Israel-Palestine conflict casualties i have to just dismiss you as a zealot victim.

Anti-semite!!!!!

The WWII figures are to prove a point... that is... simply saying one side has more casualties does nothing to prove who is the good guy and who the bad guy is. In WWII Germany was clearly the "bad guy".... in fact one of the only cases in human history where you can neatly point to the bad guy. And yet Germany definitly suffered higher casualties than the Allies (exception Russia). Thus simply looking at casualty numbers doesnt help to differentiate opressor from opressed....

I'm not saying Israel should be "excused".... however this continuous armchair idiot condemnation of Israel is getting tiresome. Israel is constantly seen as the tyrannical opressor of the hapless Palestinians... this is bullsh!t. Period.

-Max

I think the IDIOT condemnation of both sides is getting tiresome, what most people don't get is that both sides do a lot of things that are wrong.

GW may require you to be with or against but i simply cannot.

Regarding how Israel is viewed you have GOT to be joking, the US even vetoed the school missile condemnation, if anything, Israel is excused no matter what they do and Palestinians are condemned as a people anytime some nutjob organization does anything.

I am not saying that EITHER of them are right, i think that BOTH of them are wrong but i don't think that Israel should get everything for free, if THEY want a wall they should build it on their own land, if THEY want peace they cannot occupy, I am for bringing UN peacekeepers in when Israel withdraws and i WOULD go myself if there was a need.

What cannot be done is that Israel get's everything they want and the Palestinians just nod and agee, you have to understand that Max.

It has to be a realistic solution for both sides to work.