Can i link what? I dont need to go to wikipedia to fight internet battles.
I work with margins everyday for large international companies. I know how they work. I have full P&L accountability for my customers. Im the person who decides the pricing of my companies products in my customers. What promotions to run and what products to list.
There will be an equivalent person at Nvidia and AMD who do the same job as me. I can tell you exactly how it works. If you dont have much competition then you dont need to promote as much and you can charge higher prices and at the end of the year you get a bonus. The people above you get even bigger bonuses and the people at the very top they get bonuses no matter what because if they want to make more profit they just fire a few hundred staff and get their bonuses that way.
This is the same no matter what the product is... A GPU a mobile phone or even a can of coke.
Yet you fail at getting net margins and gross margins correct in your endless rants...
if they want to make more profit they just fire a few hundred staff and get their bonuses that way.
That is grand. It isn't that AMD is sucking wind it is that consumers are retards lmao.
We could get into bullet point lists but AMD loses that as well and destroys your argument about more robust hardware.
So, your answer is to fire employees so you can receive your cheaper GPU?
The 7970 is clearly a better GPU than GK104. Its faster, it clocks higher, it has more memory and it can bitcoin mine.
This is the message or theme I hear all the time -- the market disagrees with you by a lot.
i think you need to check my posts again. I didnt confuse any margins.
Since you hate AMD so much why do you even post? Your completely incapable of rational debate.
ATI has made some great GPU's. The 7970 is clearly a better GPU than GK104. Its faster, it clocks higher, it has more memory and it can bitcoin mine.
It still has work to do on its driver team but i imagine that this will be fixed because of the bad publicity of late.
This is the message or theme I hear all the time -- the market disagrees with you by a lot.
$1k GPU will be near worthless soon as 20nm GPU's arrive. Its like throwing money down the toilet.
Perception of the consumer base has nothing to do with the quality of a GPU or graphics card.
If you claim nVidias net margins are in the 50% range. You do.
I`ll counter that with another question:
Is GTX 580 or GTX 590 worthless now? They are 40nm, 600/7000 is 28nm.
I'd say GPU quality, in general, is the ability to output frames at the resolution you need, and smoothly enough so you don't notice any issues--preferably with low power usage. The graphics card, which is the cooler and so forth that goes with the GPU, is going to be judged on it's loudness, how hot it runs, and how much space it takes up.Then what is?
The 580 cost $500 at release, and only provided 20-25% better performance over a 570 despite costing 40% more. And it's price started sliding with the release of a new generation which was more powerful.id say the 580 is worth a lot less. but then it didnt cost $1000 did it.
And AMD's gross margins are unhealthily low when they dip below 40%. Id' say you've lost perspective on what counts as excessive.No i didnt. Their gross margin is 54.4% Net is 13-15%
I'd say GPU quality, in general, is the ability to output frames at the resolution you need, and smoothly enough so you don't notice any issues--preferably with low power usage. The graphics card, which is the cooler and so forth that goes with the GPU, is going to be judged on it's loudness, how hot it runs, and how much space it takes up.
The 580 cost $500 at release, and only provided 20-25% better performance over a 570 despite costing 40% more. And it's price started sliding with the release of a new generation which was more powerful.
If nothing challenges the Titan's power, I suspect it will remain priced where it is. And it may stay that highly priced anyway, since the Titan's power in compute is VERY good for it's price compared a Tesla card.
I'd say GPU quality, in general, is the ability to output frames at the resolution you need, and smoothly enough so you don't notice any issues--preferably with low power usage. The graphics card, which is the cooler and so forth that goes with the GPU, is going to be judged on it's loudness, how hot it runs, and how much space it takes up.
The 580 cost $500 at release, and did not provide 40% better performance over a 570 despite costing 40% more.
I just don't see why you're complaining.This is the same with the 670 GTX. whats new?
And how do they do that with the actual graphics card? Through the drivers? I'd say that a quality, immersive experience isn't going to be from the drivers or the proprietary TXAA (which, IMO, looks like you smeared mud over your screen to cover up the jagged edges), but from the actual game and it's developers--as well as a smooth framerate.Quality is not just about the GPU, but the software and gaming experience they may offer for the potential gamer. Gaming is more than simplistic numbers to sell product or just raw frame-rate but also quality, immersive experiences, too.
id say the 580 is worth a lot less. but then it didnt cost $1000 did it.
Then what is?
I don't know what that has to do with what was being said. The steam numbers don't prove what GPU is better. They only prove that GK104 cards sell better than Tahiti cards. Nothing more, nothing less.
But I never even interact with the drivers personally, and Nvidia doesn't offer special extra software that magically makes games better. Furthermore, MSAA is pretty much the standard AA (it's less costly than TXAA, and doesn't look nearly as blurry).Oh, yes, you do it through drivers, software and features.
Unfortunately, the market isn't as simple as "the best product sells." It's "the people who are best at selling stuff get to sell." Just look at Betamax vs VHS or iPod versus Sansa Clip.Why do they sell more?
Why do they sell more?