550 watt power supply PSU $19 shipped

xenolith

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It's a Chiefmax 550watt PSU. I've never heard of them, anybody know anything about them?

The thing that stands out is its specs:

  • +5V at 32A
    +12V at 30A
    +3.3V at 32A

Current systems put much more stress on the +12v rail than in the past, especially if you overclock, and even most $70+ PSU's are underpowered there. Having 30 amps on the +12v rail is unheard-of for such a cheap PSU... it's pretty darn good... if the thing doesn't blowup on you first.
 

Toastedzergling

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Very good price free shipping too but I am sure you get what you paid for, my guess is that 550W is the peak power not sustainable power, and 550W is rated at 25C, when you heat it up to 40C, it'll drop to something like 350W, still very good price though
 

xenolith

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Originally posted by: Toastedzergling
Very good price free shipping too but I am sure you get what you paid for, my guess is that 550W is the peak power not sustainable power

Yeah, and I bet the +12v line will drop like a rock when under full load like my Achieve AX500.N does. We'll see.



and 550W is rated at 25C, when you heat it up to 40C, it'll drop to something like 350W, still very good price though

Did you get that from a review somewhere, or is that typical of all "overated" PSU's?
 

weepul

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Originally posted by: Toastedzergling
Very good price free shipping too but I am sure you get what you paid for, my guess is that 550W is the peak power not sustainable power, and 550W is rated at 25C, when you heat it up to 40C, it'll drop to something like 350W, still very good price though

not really, i recently purchased the super flower 450W (rebadged enermax) for $19 shipped from directron. a very high quality psu, but they were trying to get rid of it and had a sale (limit 2/customer).

//krunk (^_^x)
 

Kenny0829

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Specifications:
115V ~ 10A/60 Hz
230V ~ 6A/50 Hz
+5V at 32A
+12V at 30A
+3.3V at 32A
-5V at 1A
-12V at 1A
+5VSB at 2A

These specs look more like a 350 or a 450, than a 550. especially that +5vsb rail @ 2 amp
I know that's the MIN amperage required for my nForce asus board

Those 14.95, 4 fan, 450w Super Flower power supplies ( $19.00 shipped ) specked out at:
+5 @ 45a
+12 @ 18a
+3.3 @ 28a
-5 @ 0.5a
-12 @ 0.8a
+5vsb2.5a

and it's running my asus board quite well

But hey for $20.00 guess it ain't to bad
 

xenolith

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Originally posted by: Kenny0829
Specifications:
115V ~ 10A/60 Hz
230V ~ 6A/50 Hz
+5V at 32A
+12V at 30A
+3.3V at 32A
-5V at 1A
-12V at 1A
+5VSB at 2A

These specs look more like a 350 or a 450, than a 550. especially that +5vsb rail @ 2 amp
I know that's the MIN amperage required for my nForce asus board

Those 14.95, 4 fan, 450w Super Flower power supplies ( $19.00 shipped ) specked out at:
+5 @ 45a
+12 @ 18a
+3.3 @ 28a
-5 @ 0.5a
-12 @ 0.8a
+5vsb2.5a

and it's running my asus board quite well

But hey for $20.00 guess it ain't to bad

Actually, the Cheapmax specs with a much higher total wattage (volts x amps = watts). 626w versus 534w @ a combined+3.3/+5/+12, so the 550 watt rating isn't far off. Granted these are obviously peak wattages, if that.

And, with cost out of the equation, I'd pick a PSU that specs the +12v rail @ 30 amps over one that specs @ 18 amps any day. This is especially true for an AMD64 or overclocked system that uses the 4-pin +12v connector. Again, with most of todays systems, the +12v rail is fast becoming the most stressed rail, therefore it's fast becoming the most important.

And, +5vsb @ 2 amp is a standard spec for most all PSU's. It's just used as a standby voltage for things like power-down circuitry and "wake-on-LAN", features that don't require much draw at all.

Just MHO.
 

VirtualLarry

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I read somewhere recently, that Intel's guidelines for Intel LGA775 systems, recommend a PSU with at least 30A on the +12V rail. That's pretty steep, most generic and even some older quality ones can't handle that. Perhaps this PSU was designed to Intel's new specs?

Most of the "AMD recommended" models, only have ~15-18A on the +12V rail, which is enough for some HDs, opticals, and case fans, but not much else.
 

mindless1

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Speculation about amperages for (this or that) are pretty much irrelevant as applied in this deal, since there is no way in he!! this PSU is any better than name-brand of ~320W.

Do not be fooled by ink on a label, this is same junk PSU you can get anywhere for $19, but with silly looking intake impeded by the swirly grill.

Folks, good power supplies do not mysteriously appear out of nowhere, they are still made by the major manufacturers who have high-volume contracts for lowest pricing on quality components inside. Gamble on this PSU only if seller guarantees in writing a full money-back guarantee, since it'll do you no good to get a POS power supply replaced with same thing. Even then, your whole system is still at risk.
 

RaistlinZ

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Rule of thumb is you get what you pay for.

550w PSU's from people like Antec, OCZ, Vantec, etc. ususally sell for around $90 or more. And this one is $19.00???

$19.00 shipped even? Something just ain't right here.

It's your money, and your computer so do what you will with it. But at $19.00 it can't possibly be made with the highest quality components.
 

s0ssos

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I read somewhere recently, that Intel's guidelines for Intel LGA775 systems, recommend a PSU with at least 30A on the +12V rail. That's pretty steep, most generic and even some older quality ones can't handle that. Perhaps this PSU was designed to Intel's new specs?

Most of the "AMD recommended" models, only have ~15-18A on the +12V rail, which is enough for some HDs, opticals, and case fans, but not much else.

wow, 30A on +12? i just looked at the antec true 480, and it's only 22
 

xenolith

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Originally posted by: mindless1
Speculation about amperages for (this or that) are pretty much irrelevant as applied in this deal, since there is no way in he!! this PSU is any better than name-brand of ~320W.

Folks, good power supplies do not mysteriously appear out of nowhere, they are still made by the major manufacturers who have high-volume contracts for lowest pricing on quality components inside.

I think there's no question whoever manufactures these Cheapmax PSUs use the cheapest internal components they could find. We all understand (at least I do) that "good power supplies do not mysteriously appear out of nowhere." No one is saying this is a good quality, well built PSU based solely on it's specs.

But the question still remains, will a cheaply made PSU with a very rare +12v/30A spec, supply equal or even better quality power to the +12v rail than name brand PSUs with a +12v/18A spec? This an important assertion because of the new demands new systems put on the +12v rail.

Mindless1, your saying no, it's a POS no matter what, based on the quality (or lack thereof) of its internal components... and I respect that. Though, I quess, it's the kind of response I expected.



Originally posted by: mindless1
... but with silly looking intake impeded by the swirly grill.

I know, I don't understand why some manufacturers insist on putting those silly things in. They only serve to impede airflow and look... well... silly. I certainly plan on removing it.
 

MaStAViC

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Not that big of a deal in my opinion. I can see some people who need a cheap power supply jumping in though =P Thanks OP.

-=MaStA ViC
 

mindless1

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But the question still remains, will a cheaply made PSU with a very rare +12v/30A spec, supply equal or even better quality power to the +12v rail than name brand PSUs with a +12v/18A spec? This an important assertion because of the new demands new systems put on the +12v rail.
The question does not remain because it isn't a true/accurate rating. This is not some new technique to get more 12v amps, ALL PSU following ATX 2.03 are designed to support CPu power from 12V rail. You are stuck on a label that might as well not exist, because it is only wishful thinking to compare it to the major name-brand retail units. If the same standards were applied to rating PSU as many other consumer devices, these (tactics, rating) would be illegal. Unfortunately there is a evolutionary dispartity between consumer oriented technology and the laws that govern over it.

In other words, yes, you'd be better off with a Sparkle/Fortron/Delta/PCPower & Cooling/Antec/Zippy/NMB/EMACS/Thermaltake/etc/etc/etc that had the typical 18-22A 12V rating, or even the better name-brands' >300W units. If you've already bought one of these and would care to take some detailed pictures I'll go though the unit and show some of the areas in which it's deficient.
 

xenolith

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Originally posted by: mindless1
But the question still remains, will a cheaply made PSU with a very rare +12v/30A spec, supply equal or even better quality power to the +12v rail than name brand PSUs with a +12v/18A spec? This an important assertion because of the new demands new systems put on the +12v rail.
The question does not remain because it isn't a true/accurate rating. This is not some new technique to get more 12v amps, ALL PSU following ATX 2.03 are designed to support CPu power from 12V rail. You are stuck on a label that might as well not exist, because it is only wishful thinking to compare it to the major name-brand retail units.

Thank you for your input mindless1. But I have one more question, if I may. Since all PSU's that closely follow ATX 2.03 standards are designed to supply sufficient power for the +12V rail, and that there is no new technique to get more amps there, is this also true for the new, high quality retail PSU's that are coming out with labels that spec 33A and 36A for +12V? New PSU's like the Enermax 465W EG465P-VE(FM), Antec 550W TRUE550 EPS12V, or OCZ 470W PowerStream. Spending $92 to $116 is a lot to waste if we can get the same out of a $33 Forton/Sparkle 300W FSP300-60ATV which only specs +12V/18A. And yes, I know Forton/Sparkle is famous for underrating their specs, but I'd be amazed if that's true. :shocked:
 

mindless1

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Thank you for your input mindless1. But I have one more question, if I may. Since all PSU's that closely follow ATX 2.03 standards are designed to supply sufficient power for the +12V rail, and that there is no new technique to get more amps there, is this also true for the new, high quality retail PSU's that are coming out with labels that spec 33A and 36A for +12V? New PSU's like the Enermax 465W EG465P-VE(FM), Antec 550W TRUE550 EPS12V, or OCZ 470W PowerStream. Spending $92 to $116 is a lot to waste if we can get the same out of a $33 Forton/Sparkle 300W FSP300-60ATV which only specs +12V/18A. And yes, I know Forton/Sparkle is famous for underrating their specs, but I'd be amazed if that's true.
The key here is "high quality". Those are not necessarily all high quality power supplies. Fancy grill, casing, or cable sheaths are beutifications meant to promote sales to those who are tricked by eye candy. A pretty power supply might be good, but the two qualities (looks and power) are not interdependant. Many reviews of questionable power supply put about a 250W load on a unit claimed to be "400W" or more, then give it high marks... it is a disservice to the community to do so, but we all know there can be alterior motives for doing so, let alone lack of proper testing methodology.

Enermax is NOT a high quality power supply, even their own specs clarify that their units are only MTBF rated at 70% output @ 25C... In other words, their wattage specs are peak values only, not sustainable. If we filled an Enermax with plastic explosive it would have a quite high peak output too :evil:

We can expect some name-brands, models, to exceed Sparkle 300W's output. The name on the unit's label should be considered since primary power supply manufacturers (which BTW, Enermax and Antec aren't) have worldwide reputations to maintain, generally they do not put their own name on a label when the specs are, umm, less than accurate.

Frankly, it's doubtful that all but a few people actually need over 14-18A on 12V rail, and those users, having very high o'c Prescott P4 and a ton of HDDs (or some other atypical load like peltiers). Those that do need this much power are in a small minority, as are the power supplies actually capable of sustaining this output. Lower volume manufacturing, the higher liability for manufacturer to warrant a unit for ~ 500W output, and the component grades used to squeeze that high a power density into such a small, PS2 form-factor power supply, all contribute to driving up price for higher wattage units. Certainly two 300W Sparkles are capable of more output than almost any $100 power supply... and so it goes for many commodity items, that the lower volume highest spec parts command premium prices. This must be countered by the minimal true output actually needed to promote an acceptible service life of PSU, and system as a whole if PSU has important saftey shutdown circuitry missing or so poorly designed that system components are are risk when PSU operates in degraded fashion.

If a user actually needs higher than normal 12V amps (considering that normal IS a P4 or Celeron using 12v... intel does have the majority of the market) then that user will have to qualify a unit themselves or seek detail of qualifications made by others, that units were tested to actually ouput under similar load, rail distribution, and sustain that output over a period of time. Running a test for a few days tells nothing of whether that PSU would run like that for a few months or longer and what happens when it fails.
 

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10/$138.80

Buy 10 of these and use them to start your car when your battery is dead.
 
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