5770 benchmarks at AlienBabelTech

[AzN]

Originally posted by: frozentundra123456
I am still not sure about the new ATI cards. For instance, the 5870 has about twice the processing power and only around a 50% increase in graphical performance. Seems like they have a bottleneck somewhere.

I usually root for ATI vs nVidia, but it seems that comparing the newer generation ATI cards to the old generation of nVidia cards just shows that if nVidia can get their act together and get their new cards out they could be ahead of ATI across the board.

It will probably ultimately come down to price vs performance. ATI may have to drop prices if the new nVidia cards are successful.

50% performance difference? It's little more than that. It's about fast as 4870x2. Isn't it obvious where the bottleneck comes from?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax

Originally posted by: Ayah
It's still a pretty terrible product for it's cost.

Yup and unless you're paying dollars per Kw, a 4890 is a no-brainer. That's also why all the online stores have them in stock, unlike the 5850/5870. If it sold for lower than a 4890 and bridged the gap between 4890/5850 in performance, they'd be sold out too.

DX10 performance on 4890 is better but you get nothing for DX11 with that purchasing decision.

Personally I wouldn't be concerned with taking a 10% fps hit on DX10 titles in exchange for being able to play DX11 titles for the next year or so.

Agreed. It's starting at $160 on Newegg, is very close in performance overall, and gives you new features and DX11. I also wouldn't be shocked to see performance improve over the next few driver releases, especially after Nvidia releases Fermi. It's certainly not a very exciting part for someone with a 4870/4890/GTX260, but I think it makes sense at it's price when you factor everything in.

 

[MarcVenice]

BFG, you misunderstood. I said maybe it was due to the cpu, I´m not saying you´re awfully cpu bottlenecked. First of all, there can be scenes in a game, where you are cpu bottleneck, which affects maximum FPS, and those affect avg fps.

The reason we use a 3,8GHz core i7, is because of consistency. Because I can tell you, you´re cpu would bottleneck the shit out of HD 5870 X2 or HD 5870 X3. If we have to overclock our cpu for such tests, I can no longer compare it to a single HD 5870 which I tested with let's say a 2,93GHz Core i7. Also, in a year from now I´m fairly certain a Core i7 @ 3,8GHz will be fast enough to drive a new generation card.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Hey BFG, are you going to do a new IQ analysis with the 5770?

Yes, absolutely; I?m working on it right now. I?d argue that in many ways it?s actually more important than the performance test.

Great I'm looking forward to that one especially.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: OmegaShadow
yea... i'm also not sure about the new ati cards. im still using a 8800gs and am gonna wait for the new nvidia cards. i don't want to go through the trouble of changing drivers again.

I had a XFX 8800 GT Alpha Dog which lasted me along time and was an excellent video card.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: OmegaShadow
i don't want to go through the trouble of changing drivers again.

Well thats a silly reason

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: yh125d

Originally posted by: OmegaShadow
i don't want to go through the trouble of changing drivers again.

Well thats a silly reason

Seriously...that's the 2nd person I've heard say that. How hard is it to click uninstall then double-click the new driver file?
Things rarely screw up so it shouldn't be used as an excuse.

 

[fffblackmage]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: yh125d

Originally posted by: OmegaShadow
i don't want to go through the trouble of changing drivers again.

Well thats a silly reason

Seriously...that's the 2nd person I've heard say that. How hard is it to click uninstall then double-click the new driver file?
Things rarely screw up so it shouldn't be used as an excuse.

New drivers are a good thing... I went almost a year without updating my driver for my X1950XT. Once I decided to update one random day, framerates in Bioshock went up. I still don't update very often though....

It's also the reason why I think the 5770's performance is rather random. We just need to wait a bit for the driver to mature a bit.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I'm building a new PC and can't decide if I should grab a 4870 or 5870. From everything I've seen the 4870 will give me better performance for less money, but I can't shake the feeling that this is a bad idea. Thoughts?

 

[BFG10K]

BFG, you misunderstood. I said maybe it was due to the cpu, I´m not saying you´re awfully cpu bottlenecked. First of all, there can be scenes in a game, where you are cpu bottleneck, which affects maximum FPS, and those affect avg fps.

Yes, I hear what you’re saying, but Far Cry 2 at the settings I run is massively bottlenecked by my GTX285. I know this because lowering the detail levels increases the framerate.

The reason we use a 3,8GHz core i7, is because of consistency. Because I can tell you, you´re cpu would bottleneck the shit out of HD 5870 X2 or HD 5870 X3. If we have to overclock our cpu for such tests, I can no longer compare it to a single HD 5870 which I tested with let's say a 2,93GHz Core i7. Also, in a year from now I´m fairly certain a Core i7 @ 3,8GHz will be fast enough to drive a new generation card.

Understood, but this doesn’t apply to me in the same way because I test differently. If was I running multi-GPU, I wouldn’t be using the settings that I use on a single GTX285 (e.g. 1920x1200 with 4xAA).

Like I said, I always push the cards to the highest details possible while still being playable, so I’d end up using far higher settings on the multi-GPU setup and my CPU would be enough to push them.

 

[toyota]

Yes, I hear what you’re saying, but Far Cry 2 at the settings I run is massively bottlenecked by my GTX285. I know this because lowering the detail levels increases the framerate.


Understood, but this doesn’t apply to me in the same way because I test differently. If was I running multi-GPU, I wouldn’t be using the settings that I use on a single GTX285 (e.g. 1920x1200 with 4xAA).

Like I said, I always push the cards to the highest details possible while still being playable, so I’d end up using far higher settings on the multi-GPU setup and my CPU would be enough to push them.

sorry but you are living in a fantasy land if you think that an E6850 can fully push 2 5870 cards not to mention 3. thats like having 4 to 6 4870 cards and your cpu wouldnt come close to providing the same performance as an overclocked i7 in that case. even if you pushed games to maximum settings there would still be a very large performance gap in many when dealing with that level of gpu power. not to mention games like GTA 4 already do much better with an i7 even if running a single dinky midrange card.

 

[BFG10K]

sorry but you are living in a fantasy land if you think that an E6850 can fully push 2 5870 cards not to mention 3. thats like having 4 to 6 4870 cards and your cpu wouldnt come close to providing the same performance as an overclocked i7 in that case.

If the GPUs are sufficiently bottlenecked then there’s no significant difference between top-end and mid-range CPUs. Just because most multi-GPU tests online don’t sufficiently bottleneck them, it doesn’t make my statement false.

even if you pushed games to maximum settings there would still be a very large performance gap in many when dealing with that level of gpu power. not to mention games like GTA 4 already do much better with an i7 even if running a single dinky midrange card.

When you say “maximum settings” I don’t think you mean what I mean. With multi-GPU I’d be running 2560x1600 with 24xAA or super-sampling. Or I’d be running multi-GPU AA modes that aren’t possible on a single card.

I wouldn’t be piddling around with the likes of 1920x1200 with 4xAA. I already run 1920x1200 with 4xAA on a single card in many games, so it’s a useless setting for multi-cards in the same games.

The bottom line is, if your settings are so low on multi-GPU that your CPU is bottlenecking them, you don’t understand the concept of multi-GPU or the benefits it brings.

P.S. why is your post-count zero? Didn’t you import your old user-name or something?

See here: http://account.anandtech.com/

I’m not sure if it’ll work now since your new account is a re-reg.

 

[Arkaign]

I think the 5770 looks like a winner for those with 1440x900 or 1680x1050 screens, those pushing 1920 or higher should probably look at 5870 or something to that effect.

 

[toyota]

If the GPUs are sufficiently bottlenecked then there’s no significant difference between top-end and mid-range CPUs. Just because most multi-GPU tests online don’t sufficiently bottleneck them, it doesn’t make my statement false.


When you say “maximum settings” I don’t think you mean what I mean. With multi-GPU I’d be running 2560x1600 with 24xAA or super-sampling. Or I’d be running multi-GPU AA modes that aren’t possible on a single card.

I wouldn’t be piddling around with the likes of 1920x1200 with 4xAA. I already run 1920x1200 with 4xAA on a single card in many games, so it’s a useless setting for multi-cards in the same games.

The bottom line is, if your settings are so low on multi-GPU that your CPU is bottlenecking them, you don’t understand the concept of multi-GPU or the benefits it brings.

P.S. why is your post-count zero? Didn’t you import your old user-name or something?

See here: http://account.anandtech.com/

I’m not sure if it’ll work now since your new account is a re-reg.

I knew exactly what you meant and I still stand behind what I said. even at 2560 with having 2 or 3 5870 cards your Core 2 Duo would still give up plenty to an overclocked i7 in many games. with the 4 series sure it would have been much closer between the cpus but with the equivalent of 4 to 6 4870 cards your Core 2 isnt going to provide the same performance as an overclocked i7. sorry but the facts are that an i7 scales much better with very high end gpu setups.

I went to that import page to begin with so I dont know what happened to my account.

 

[BFG10K]

Great I'm looking forward to that one especially.

It's all done.

 

[bryanW1995]

I posted a poll last month and alot of people actually thought hd5770 would match the hd4890. I explained that there was no way this was possible.

good to know that you're on top of this one!

 

[bryanW1995]

I use an E6850 because that?s in my rig. The rig in my sig is my personal one, and also my benchmarking machine.

As for the CPU speed, I?ve demonstrated multiple times in the past why I believe CPU requirements are far overblown in online forums and review sites. This is especially true with high-end CPUs because the sorts of people running them will use high detail gaming settings, which largely eradicate differences between medium and high-end CPUs.

The way I benchmark, I can tell you the vast majority of my tests end up being massively GPU bound, and as long as the CPU is half decent (e.g. E6850), a faster CPU will make a negligible difference to most of the scores.

I demonstrated this by getting a ~30% performance gain from a GTX285 to a GTX260+, which is actually a lot higher than many mainstream sites showed, despite my CPU being much slower than theirs.

I?ll probably hold off upgrading my CPU until I get a Fermi so I can prove my point yet again. I can guarantee you there?ll be a massive performance gain over a GTX285 with my ?slow? E6850 @ stock, assuming Fermi doesn?t flop at the hardware and/or driver level of course.

Anyway, thanks for the great comments guys, and keep them coming, I really appreciate the constructive feedback, especially because it gives me a chance to explain my actions.

But most of all, thanks for talking the time actually read the stuff I put up. It?s readers like you that make the effort all worthwhile. :thumbsup:

dude, you need to be careful talking like this. As toyota is bound to mention here soon, you are clearly cpu limited with an e6850 and a 5770. you need at least cray, maybe even blue gene/L, if you want to get the most out of your 5770. I would recommend a 4350 with that pathetic cpu.

 

[toyota]

dude, you need to be careful talking like this. As toyota is bound to mention here soon, you are clearly cpu limited with an e6850 and a 5770. you need at least cray, maybe even blue gene/L, if you want to get the most out of your 5770. I would recommend a 4350 with that pathetic cpu.

grow up. he is talking about using 2 or 3 5870 cards so thats hardly the same thing. if you cant think of anything to post other than to flame then dont even reply.

 

[bryanW1995]

dude, you need to be careful talking like this. As toyota is bound to mention here soon, you are clearly cpu limited with an e6850 and a 5770. you need at least cray, maybe even blue gene/L, if you want to get the most out of your 5770. I would recommend a 4350 with that pathetic cpu.

oops, too late!

BFG, how dare you try to argue with the things that toyota read online! Trust me, he's had plenty of time to read about other people actually doing things like, oh, I dunno, testing video cards.

Toyota, try picking on somebody who doesn't have a clue, at least then you'll have a shot at making a few points.

 

[toyota]

oops, too late!

BFG, how dare you try to argue with the things that toyota read online! Trust me, he's had plenty of time to read about other people actually doing things like, oh, I dunno, testing video cards.

Toyota, try picking on somebody who doesn't have a clue, at least then you'll have a shot at making a few points.

why dont you actually read the thread instead of being a troll?

this was said long before I mentioned anything. go flame him...

BFG, you misunderstood. I said maybe it was due to the cpu, I´m not saying you´re awfully cpu bottlenecked. First of all, there can be scenes in a game, where you are cpu bottleneck, which affects maximum FPS, and those affect avg fps.

The reason we use a 3,8GHz core i7, is because of consistency. Because I can tell you, you´re cpu would bottleneck the shit out of HD 5870 X2 or HD 5870 X3. If we have to overclock our cpu for such tests, I can no longer compare it to a single HD 5870 which I tested with let's say a 2,93GHz Core i7. Also, in a year from now I´m fairly certain a Core i7 @ 3,8GHz will be fast enough to drive a new generation card.

 

[bryanW1995]

grow up. he is talking about using 2 or 3 5870 cards so thats hardly the same thing. if you cant think of anything to post other than to flame then dont even reply.

grow up? why don't you grow some initiative and instead of arguing with everybody about how their system is cpu limited or why they should be spending $12.63 on a 660gt instead of $259 on a 5850 you could possibly even try to ACTUALLY TEST SOME HARDWARE YOURSELF. You can tell us, we won't judge you, are you using mommy and daddy's computer to get online?


edit: I don't need to flame marcVenice. He actually tests games for a living, remember? Or did you forget about your long, drawn-out argument with marc last week? Marc and BFG can intelligently discuss discrepancies in their tests because they both actually, well, perform video card tests and reviews. You read about things on bsn or legionhardware and think that jesus christ inspired them in their work and ensured that they weren't, well, dumbasses. I can assure you that marc and bfg are NOT dumbasses. In fact, you would probably be better served just lurking for a few months and becoming more knowledgeable before you do any more harm here.

 

[toyota]

grow up? why don't you grow some initiative and instead of arguing with everybody about how their system is cpu limited or why they should be spending $12.63 on a 660gt instead of $259 on a 5850 you could possibly even try to ACTUALLY TEST SOME HARDWARE YOURSELF. You can tell us, we won't judge you, are you using mommy and daddy's computer to get online?

READ the thread, troll. MarcVenice said the same thing to him BEFORE I even mentioned it.

 

[BFG10K]

I knew exactly what you meant and I still stand behind what I said. even at 2560 with having 2 or 3 5870 cards your Core 2 Duo would still give up plenty to an overclocked i7 in many games. with the 4 series sure it would have been much closer between the cpus but with the equivalent of 4 to 6 4870 cards your Core 2 isnt going to provide the same performance as an overclocked i7. sorry but the facts are that an i7 scales much better with very high end gpu setups.

You do? Out of curiosity, what settings do you think I’m referring to? Because 2560x1600 by itself isn’t that demanding, and neither is 4xAA given I have games like Bioshock that run perfectly fine on a single GTX285 at said settings.

I don’t think you understand just how demanding super-sampling is, or even 24xAA compared to 4xAA. Also with multi-GPU AA, the cards behave as if you had a single card, you just get better AA than on a single card. So three 5870s become one, and my E6580 wouldn’t have trouble saturating that with the settings I use in gaming.

If you always use the highest playable settings in games like me, it’s only natural the graphics card will be the primary bottleneck, and that won’t change on multi-GPU because my settings will be higher than on a single GPU.

I’m not making a blanket comment that fastest the i7 isn’t faster than my CPU, because that’s clearly false. What I am saying is that CPU limitations are far overblown out of proportion, and if I was to get my hands of a multi-GPU system you’d see very different results compared to the standard fare.

Also note that I’m not some E6850 fanboy. If I wanted to I could run out and buy the fastest quad-core i7 right now. But I choose not too, because it’s absolutely pointless given my current CPU doesn’t even bottleneck me at the settings I game at.

I went to that import page to begin with so I dont know what happened to my account.

I’ve asked the forum administration to reinstate your post count.

 

[toyota]

You do? Out of curiosity, what settings do you think I’m referring to? Because 2560x1600 by itself isn’t that demanding, and neither is 4xAA given I have games like Bioshock that run perfectly fine on a single GTX285 at said settings.

I don’t think you understand just how demanding super-sampling is, or even 24xAA compared to 4xAA. Also with multi-GPU AA, the cards behave as if you had a single card, you just get better AA than on a single card. So three 5870s become one, and my E6580 wouldn’t have trouble saturating that with the settings I use in gaming.

If you always use the highest playable settings in games like me, it’s only natural the graphics card will be the primary bottleneck, and that won’t change on multi-GPU because my settings will be higher than on a single GPU.

I’m not making a blanket comment that fastest the i7 isn’t faster than my CPU, because that’s clearly false. What I am saying is that CPU limitations are far overblown out of proportion, and if I was to get my hands of a multi-GPU system you’d see very different results compared to the standard fare.

Also note that I’m not some E6850 fanboy. If I wanted to I could run out and buy the fastest quad-core i7 right now. But I choose not too, because it’s absolutely pointless given my current CPU doesn’t even bottleneck me at the settings I game at.


I’ve asked the forum administration to reinstate your post count.

well I see what you are saying. I still think that having that much gpu power(3 5870 cards) will show a bigger difference than you think between your Core 2 Duo and an overclocked i7 in many games. hopefully we can get some real world cpu comparisons with that level of gpu power at 2560 soon.

thanks for helping out on the post count issue.

 

[BFG10K]

thanks for helping out on the post count issue.

No worries - that's what I'm here for.