58 days until the next shutdown?

[nanette1985]

just listening to CNBC where they pointed out that there are 58 days until yesterday's agreement expires.

Of those 58 days, only 31 will any of the congress be in session. And only 7 of those days will be joint session days.

So there is very little chance that there will be any meetings to try and come up with any real progress.

I don't care how many days congress actually works, as long as they get their work done. But this sounds ridiculous.

Explain to me why I shouldn't be annoyed by this.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Do you think the Republicans are going to repeat, "We refuse to work unless you vote to defund Obamacare"?

Once they gave up the hostage-taking and came to the table as adults, it wasn't that difficult.
For the next round, the Repubs don't have the political capital to be completely unreasonable about funding (i.e. we'll shut down the government unless you give us even more than sequestration-level cuts.) And Dems don't have the capital to ask for much above sequestration-level.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

All logic and reason points to the Republicans not pulling a shutdown tantrum again so soon, so I give it a 50/50 chance.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

You should be annoyed. Our current state of government is shameful and gives us all a black eye.

The minority party has held the country hostage and created absolute gridlock for almost a full 5yrs now.

They have used every procedural trick and dirty tactic in the book, they completely handcuffed the democratic supermajority through 2009 and 2010 with the insane over us of the filibuster in the Senate. And through gerry rigged districts took control of the House in 2010 and took obstruction and defiance to new levels making the last two Congresses the most unproductive in history. And when established rules would prevent them from their hell bent destruction, they changed the rules as they recently did to prevent the government from reopening even though everyone knew the votes were there in the House to pass the Senate bill to reopen government.

They have utilized every loophole, crack or flaw in our democratic system to try and inforce their agenda on the unwilling majority. And don't seem to care how much damage they do in the process.

I'm an old guy that was never devoted to one party in the past and have voted for both D's and R's over the years. But the schenanigans of the last few years have turned me solidly against the GOP

 

[GuitarDaddy]

All logic and reason points to the Republicans not pulling a shutdown tantrum again so soon, so I give it a 50/50 chance.

Since when have the current group of republicans done anything logical or reasonable. Even after the recent schelacing in the poles they are running around high fiving each other.

So im saying 80/20 they will do the same thing in 58 days.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That doesn't sound right as there's 68 shopping days until Christmas

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57607903/open-for-business-government-shutdown-default-averted/

It will fund the government through Jan. 15 and lift the debt ceiling through Feb. 7. The bill will also pay furloughed government workers for the time they missed during the shutdown.

 

[fskimospy]

It's hard for me to see the Republican leadership wanting to go through another humiliating defeat so quickly, but I guess it all depends on just how much influence the crazies are still wielding.

Honestly, if you were ready to go through this all over again in a few months why surrender now? That just means you will surrender again shortly.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

It's hard for me to see the Republican leadership wanting to go through another humiliating defeat so quickly, but I guess it all depends on just how much influence the crazies are still wielding.

Honestly, if you were ready to go through this all over again in a few months why surrender now? That just means you will surrender again shortly.

Many of them believe they have won, if they really thought they had lost the fight they would have raised the debt limit beyond the mid term election cycle. The tea partiers that have republican leadership by the balls could care less how they fare in national polls, as long as their local backwoods constituants are still supporting them they will love the opportunity to do it all over again in Jan/Feb it gives them a national podium to spout their crazy. Look at how Cruz has catapulted himself from a no name rookie first timer to a national power broker

 

[nanette1985]

That doesn't sound right as there's 68 shopping days until Christmas

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57607903/open-for-business-government-shutdown-default-averted/

I wasn't really paying close enough attention to the TV. Sorry. That's what I thought they were saying.

Still, they won't be spending much time working together on the budget.

 

[Balt]

I doubt we'll get anything other than another CR that maintains the current sequestration status quo. Perhaps some more flexibility for agencies to make the cuts where they want.

I think the 'delay/defund Obamacare' efforts and the 'use a shutdown/debt default as leverage' tactics are over, but Republicans still aren't going to raise taxes and Democrats still aren't going to cut entitlements without those tax hikes.

 

[Lithium381]

Who is going to spend big for Christmas with this around the corner again! Fsck I mean 20% of government employ ees getting another paid vacation?

 

[2timer]

Do you think the Republicans are going to repeat, "We refuse to work unless you vote to defund Obamacare"?

Once they gave up the hostage-taking and came to the table as adults, it wasn't that difficult.
For the next round, the Repubs don't have the political capital to be completely unreasonable about funding (i.e. we'll shut down the government unless you give us even more than sequestration-level cuts.) And Dems don't have the capital to ask for much above sequestration-level.

Have to second this. In the next round of budget talks Republicans won't be demanding that Obamacare be defunded as a prerequisite to a deal. All their demands will focus on government spending, an area in which they have much more political capital. The Democrats will have no choice but to offer concessions.

Reason being? The LA Times summed it up nicely: in the last round of negotiations, the public perceived the Republicans demand to defund Obamacare as the more unreasonable demand. That won't be the case next time, because demanding the government spend less money is very reasonable.

 

[cubby1223]

It's hard for me to see the Republican leadership wanting to go through another humiliating defeat so quickly, but I guess it all depends on just how much influence the crazies are still wielding.

Honestly, if you were ready to go through this all over again in a few months why surrender now? That just means you will surrender again shortly.

Then why do you assume it was the Republicans who demanded such a short period before the next crisis?

If I were a Democrat and I felt the polls were this much in my favor every one of these events, I'd make sure they happen as frequently as possible, until the polls flip.

 

[fskimospy]

Then why do you assume it was the Republicans who demanded such a short period before the next crisis?

If I were a Democrat and I felt the polls were this much in my favor every one of these events, I'd make sure they happen as frequently as possible, until the polls flip.

It was the Democrats that wanted a shorter period in order to undo more of sequestration. I'm just saying that I don't expect Republicans to shut down the govt/threaten the debt ceiling.

 

[fskimospy]

Many of them believe they have won, if they really thought they had lost the fight they would have raised the debt limit beyond the mid term election cycle. The tea partiers that have republican leadership by the balls could care less how they fare in national polls, as long as their local backwoods constituants are still supporting them they will love the opportunity to do it all over again in Jan/Feb it gives them a national podium to spout their crazy. Look at how Cruz has catapulted himself from a no name rookie first timer to a national power broker

The Republicans tried to extend the debt ceiling further, but the Democrats stopped them.

 

[AViking]

I predict that they kick the can down the road and each of them give the other side more money to spend thus increasing our deficit. I find it unlikely that they will cut spending on either side.

 

[cubby1223]

The Republicans tried to extend the debt ceiling further, but the Democrats stopped them.

Bingo.

This is why people on "the right" are so frustrated, Democrats are geniuses at politics to ensure they get their way, while simultaneously feeding the microphones all the bullshit on how much more they care about negotiating and compromising and working together.

The Democrats are milking this situation for every gain they can.


This is why the tea party exists, because a large portion of the country believes that neither party gives a damn about them. It's a shame some are again using this opportunity for their own personal gain. It's easy to love the two-party system when your role is as a taker.

 

[xBiffx]

Love it. OP asks a legitimate, non partisan question and all the hacks in here can do is blame Republicans or defend Democrats. Fricken unreal.

Well at least, in a way, the OP got his answer. Nothing is going to change because there are too many idiots who love the two party bickering system. So they are going to love the bickering come the next debt ceiling debate and nothing is ever going to change because of it.

 

[AViking]

This is why the tea party exists, because a large portion of the country believes that neither party gives a damn about them. It's a shame some are again using this opportunity for their own personal gain. It's easy to love the two-party system when your role is as a taker.

Why don't they run as a third party then? They are not Republicans and the Republicans are not them.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Looking forward to it. This last one was quite profitable


Thanks Obama and Congress.

 

[Fayd]

You should be annoyed. Our current state of government is shameful and gives us all a black eye.

The minority party has held the country hostage and created absolute gridlock for almost a full 5yrs now.

They have used every procedural trick and dirty tactic in the book, they completely handcuffed the democratic supermajority through 2009 and 2010 with the insane over us of the filibuster in the Senate. And through gerry rigged districts took control of the House in 2010 and took obstruction and defiance to new levels making the last two Congresses the most unproductive in history. And when established rules would prevent them from their hell bent destruction, they changed the rules as they recently did to prevent the government from reopening even though everyone knew the votes were there in the House to pass the Senate bill to reopen government.

They have utilized every loophole, crack or flaw in our democratic system to try and inforce their agenda on the unwilling majority. And don't seem to care how much damage they do in the process.

I'm an old guy that was never devoted to one party in the past and have voted for both D's and R's over the years. But the schenanigans of the last few years have turned me solidly against the GOP

the specialness of a supermajority is it overrides filibuster. that the democrats still failed to get anything done under the supermajority is all on them.

 

[bshole]

These shitbags are pissed off that we didn't go over the cliff.

Tired of feeling taken for granted by a party that alternately panders to them and sells them down the river, in their view, Tea Partiers and others on the right are in revolt. The Republican Party itself is increasingly the focus of their anger, particularly after Wednesday's deal to reopen the government, which many on the right opposed. Now, many are threatening to take their business elsewhere.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-conservative-war-on-the-gop/280637/#comments