5850x2 and 5870x2 pricing

[LCD123]

Then nobody is going to buy two $379 5870s, the total would be $758! $700 for the 5870x2 would save you $58!

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: LCD123
Then nobody is going to buy two $379 5870s, the total would be $758! $700 for the 5870x2 would save you $58!

Yep I see your point, and have found myself in the two card vs multi-gpu single pcb many time. But with this one, it's just too much. 5870 is a performer but needs competition. An X2 will be a beast, but at $700+ it will be just too much freakin money. It can't be $379 x 2 less $50 on this one, it just can't..

 

[kriskan]

Originally posted by: LCD123
Then nobody is going to buy two $379 5870s, the total would be $758! $700 for the 5870x2 would save you $58!

No way I'm paying anything over 500$ for a graphics card that gets outdated in 6 months to 1 year. At least for me in graphics card section I would rather buy the best value card with decent performance as per my requirements. It makes a lot of sense to me to buy decent card (not top card)and upgrade it sooner.

 

[Pelu]

I dotn care that much about the 5xxx series.. because i was thinking on dropping ATI and go nvidia... really.. i am so mad on ati... lack of physx... gpgpu... and such... stupid dx11 = nothingness not even dx10 is that important anyways... wondering why people pays 500 bucks for a card... if they can pay 500 bucks for a better card with better support... I AM SO PISSED WITH ATI!!! REALLY!!!!!

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

BTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

I stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

 

[Jacen]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

BTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

I stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

This sounds pretty logical though the only thing I could see holding those prices back is the fact that the GT300 won't be out by then. So if it doesn't happen by Christmas I expect it to happen by the Nvidia launch in January.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: kriskan
5850 x2 pricing

Do you guys think this slide is authentic? (although prices might be high at release)

399 and 599 for 5850 x2 and 5870 x2 respectively. why would anyone buy 5870 ?

the price difference is just 50$. I'm considering waiting for 5850 x2.(oct-nov this year).

No microstutter.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Jacen
This sounds pretty logical though the only thing I could see holding those prices back is the fact that the GT300 won't be out by then. So if it doesn't happen by Christmas I expect it to happen by the Nvidia launch in January.

If the prices are reasonable then some people who were waiting may not want to...especially considering we have no idea when GT300 is actually coming out.

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

How does any of that negate my comment of the 4870X2 being launched at $550? Honestly people, think before you type.

Originally posted by: T2kBTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

The enthusiast segment means very little in the scheme of things. When NVIDIA has some actual competition for ATI's current line up, then you'll probably see prices falls. Considering that 5870's were sold out as fast as they were restocked for the first couple of days of the 5870 launch, there's plenty of people out their with disposable income.

Originally posted by: T2kI stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

If the 5870 drops to $300 by November (which, without competition, probably won't happen), you might see a 5870X2 launch at $500, not likely though. No business is going to try to outsell itself.

 

[rosarian007]

sweet!

 

[BD231]

I hope you guys aren't gettin my hopes up with those October/November dates. 5870X2 might just be to hard to resist.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

How does any of that negate my comment of the 4870X2 being launched at $550? Honestly people, think before you type.

Originally posted by: T2kBTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

The enthusiast segment means very little in the scheme of things. When NVIDIA has some actual competition for ATI's current line up, then you'll probably see prices falls. Considering that 5870's were sold out as fast as they were restocked for the first couple of days of the 5870 launch, there's plenty of people out their with disposable income.

Originally posted by: T2kI stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

If the 5870 drops to $300 by November (which, without competition, probably won't happen), you might see a 5870X2 launch at $500, not likely though. No business is going to try to outsell itself.

I give up - I thought you can understand English but you simply pick and choose segments out of full sentences then argue with yourself.

Well, have fun.

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

How does any of that negate my comment of the 4870X2 being launched at $550? Honestly people, think before you type.

Originally posted by: T2kBTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

The enthusiast segment means very little in the scheme of things. When NVIDIA has some actual competition for ATI's current line up, then you'll probably see prices falls. Considering that 5870's were sold out as fast as they were restocked for the first couple of days of the 5870 launch, there's plenty of people out their with disposable income.

Originally posted by: T2kI stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

If the 5870 drops to $300 by November (which, without competition, probably won't happen), you might see a 5870X2 launch at $500, not likely though. No business is going to try to outsell itself.

I give up - I thought you can understand English but you simply pick and choose segments out of full sentences then argue with yourself.

Well, have fun.

Yeah, I would quit too after an utter fail like that.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Pelu
I dotn care that much about the 5xxx series.. because i was thinking on dropping ATI and go nvidia... really.. i am so mad on ati... lack of physx... gpgpu... and such... stupid dx11 = nothingness not even dx10 is that important anyways... wondering why people pays 500 bucks for a card... if they can pay 500 bucks for a better card with better support... I AM SO PISSED WITH ATI!!! REALLY!!!!!

Get a clue. ATI announced a partnership with someone, to develop hardware-accelerated physics, and they already have GPGPU. Your other post asking about that shows that you don't understand how it works. You need to have applications that are written for GPGPU, and more specifically, the APIs that the video card vendor provides, in order to take advantage of that functionality.

It doesn't just show up in your task manager.

FAIL

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: kriskan

Originally posted by: Jacen
I suspect the 5870x2 won't hit $600. 500-550 is what OEMs seem to be shooting for. I figure by the time it launches the 5870 will be be around $300 so that the X2 will be a comparative deal.

I disagree a lot of this depends on what Nvidia comes up with... or how they decrease their prices. ATI would never decrease the prices if the competition is not there.

ati only lowers their prices to keep sales volumes reasonable. If nvidia comes out with a killer gt300 before xmas but it doesn't dent ati sales then why on earth would they decrase prices? Now, I agree that a good gt300 will be very LIKELY to cause ati to lower prices, but it will depend on gt300 prices vs rv8xx prices, right?

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
It doesn't just show up in your task manager.

FAIL

LOLL, that was funny.

ATi cards can show the GPU usage at least, like the CPU usage in the Task manager

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: MrK6
The 4870 launched at $299 while the 4870X2 launched at $550. Now we have the 5870 at $380: why are people expecting the 5870 to launch at $499, especially when there's even less competition from NVIDIA this time around? Wishful thinking?

Nope, your memories are cheating on you. 4870X2 was announced at $550 in late Agugst but took weeks to ship and it went almost immediately down to almost $500 and as soon as 4850X2 debuted (announced at $400) and also immediately fell down to $350 the 4870X2 fell further, below $500 by the ned of the year, within 2 months. By January you could get a 4870X2 for $450 in most places.

How does any of that negate my comment of the 4870X2 being launched at $550? Honestly people, think before you type.

Originally posted by: T2kBTW it's a serious recession if not a depression out there - and it's hitting other countries even harder. ATI has no choice but lower its prices if it really wants to move a lot of cards and that would help their market share numbers which, in turn, would help their stock as well.

The enthusiast segment means very little in the scheme of things. When NVIDIA has some actual competition for ATI's current line up, then you'll probably see prices falls. Considering that 5870's were sold out as fast as they were restocked for the first couple of days of the 5870 launch, there's plenty of people out their with disposable income.

Originally posted by: T2kI stand by my prediction: 5870X2 2GB for $500, 4850 X2 2GB for $400, 5870 for $300 and ~$220 5850 in November, when Christmas season starts.

If I'm right then count me (w/ my friends) in for few $5850 X2 2GBs, AMD.

If the 5870 drops to $300 by November (which, without competition, probably won't happen), you might see a 5870X2 launch at $500, not likely though. No business is going to try to outsell itself.

I give up - I thought you can understand English but you simply pick and choose segments out of full sentences then argue with yourself.

Well, have fun.

Yeah, I would quit too after an utter fail like that.

Seriously: just what the *&^%$ are you talking about...

You couldn't even grasp my post, your reply was some irrelevant-incoherent crap arguing about things you made up in your head.

TBH I only read it down to where you called others up to "think before you type" - and this is right after you made it painfully clear you were simply unable to grasp even the most basic logical connection between facts and your claims (-> "How does any of that negate my comment of..." meant you couldn't even make the connection between your claim of $550 and the fact that it NEVER carried this price tag, all this despite the fact I laid out all the pricing details for you.)
Here, as I said, I gave up.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: kriskan

Originally posted by: Jacen
I suspect the 5870x2 won't hit $600. 500-550 is what OEMs seem to be shooting for. I figure by the time it launches the 5870 will be be around $300 so that the X2 will be a comparative deal.

I disagree a lot of this depends on what Nvidia comes up with... or how they decrease their prices. ATI would never decrease the prices if the competition is not there.

ati only lowers their prices to keep sales volumes reasonable. If nvidia comes out with a killer gt300 before xmas but it doesn't dent ati sales then why on earth would they decrase prices? Now, I agree that a good gt300 will be very LIKELY to cause ati to lower prices, but it will depend on gt300 prices vs rv8xx prices, right?

Do you guys even read or just post whatever pops into your mind?
Seriously.

I clearly laid out why it's more than obvious ATI has to sell a LOT during this quarter - it's not rocket science, it's very simple: it's their last best chance to grab market share from Nvidia.

What's so hard to grasp on the facts that they need desperately need to help their stock, their bottom line etc?

It's their very best chance to do so especially while GT300 isn't around.

I haven't read a single meaningful counter-argument, only empty hand-wringing and cheesy cliches.

 

[scooterlibby]

You are too funny man with your lunatic bug-eyed berating of everybody and liberal sprinklings of bold font. You're really schooling them!

 

[Beanie46]

Originally posted by: scooterlibby
You are too funny man with your lunatic bug-eyed berating of everybody and liberal sprinklings of bold font. You're really schooling them!

Haven't you understood yet? T2K is the God of all things computer related, esp. video cards, cpus, motherboards....everything!

 

[T2k]

Yeah, it's me, right.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: scooterlibby
You are too funny man with your lunatic bug-eyed berating of everybody and liberal sprinklings of bold font. You're really schooling them!

:roll:

 

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: scooterlibby
You are too funny man with your lunatic bug-eyed berating of everybody and liberal sprinklings of bold font. You're really schooling them!

:roll:

Funny how there's so many of us saying the same thing, we must all be wrong.

As a suggestion, post links to information backing up the things you say in a post. When you can't find any, that's probably a great starting hint that you have no idea what you're talking about. So far, you've stated "I think..." without any decent data or even a logical process to back it up. At this point, it doesn't even seem like you comprehend general economics or a basic business model. So please, explain why you think AMD should introduce it's cards at a lower price point than before, while cannibalizing the rest of it's product line, especially when it has no competition from NVIDIA. Oh, and you get bonus points if you don't use bold font.

 

[cbn]

I wonder how many power connectors this card will need.

According to one rumor site HD5870x2 uses 376 watts. That is one too many watts for even a mighty set of dual 8 pin power connectors.

Throw in Overclocking and we are talking three power connectors per card? (two 8 pin and a 6 pin). Luckily those 1+ kilowatt PSU seem to come with a redundant number of PCI-E power connectors.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Just learning
I wonder how many power connectors this card will need.

According to one rumor site HD5870x2 uses 376 watts. That is one too many watts for even a mighty set of dual 8 pin power connectors.

Throw in Overclocking and we are talking three power connectors per card? (two 8 pin and a 6 pin). Luckily those 1+ kilowatt PSU seem to come with a redundant number of PCI-E power connectors.

the tdp would cover any realistic overclocking. at least it does for nvidia as their cards never get remotely close to their advertised tdp.