5970 Reviews

[tviceman]

ATi hasn't announced the 5970. They haven't announced a set release date. You are dreaming all of this.

It has been talked about but that is from people on the internet. Benchmarks are around but did ATi sanction them? Are they even real?

The most that anyone could claim coming directly from ATi is some slides that show a dual gpu card would be released.

As for TSMC, you have no idea what their output is like right now. Neither do it. It is all speculation. You posting that their will be only 10 or 15 released is silly. Your entire post was silly.

The card launched today. The release date is today. The benchmarks showing up everywhere are real and official. As for TSMC, both nvidia, AMD, and TSMC has stated that there are problems with the 40 nm process and supply will be extremely tight through December.

Given the noticeable and extreme scarcity of the 58XX series thus far, the 5970 will be even more scarce. It's common sense. There is nothing silly about my original post, nor this one. And no, I am not dreaming.

 

[KIAman]

I'm personally sick of hearing this sabotage excuse used left and right. The whole Batman ant aliasing issue isn't without merit, but insofar as game performance on comparable in game features, I HIGHLY, and I mean HIGHLY doubt a dev is "sabotaging" their game's performance for the sake of nvidia.

The TWIMTBP program involves sending nvidia engineers to help the dev code the game to run fastest on their hardware, not to sabotage the performance of the game on other hardware. If AMD were as marketing savvy and as smart as nvidia, they'd implement similar programs.

So, following this chain of logic...

1. it is purely coincidental that all TWIMTBP games run poorly on AMD

or

2. AMD has purposely built their drivers to run poorly on games that are TWIMTBP therefore making consumers THINK Nvidia is sabotaging the games.

Finally, if TWIMTBP is intended for engineers to help facilitate game code, that is not a marketing effort. Giving money to gamedevs to slap on an Nvidia logo IS marketing effort. Choose which.

 

[SunnyD]

Finally...Crysis playable at 2560 with AA:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/EAH5970/11.html
More than double the speed of a GTX295 is pretty good.

Very... very nice. I'll stick it out with my 4890 for a while longer. I've got to wonder when video cards become breakout boxes in order to support the power requirements we're starting to see.

 

[KIAman]

Very... very nice. I'll stick it out with my 4890 for a while longer. I've got to wonder when video cards become breakout boxes in order to support the power requirements we're starting to see.

Or... video cards that come with their OWN PSU with a seperate AC outlet on the back to be plugged directly to the wall. LOL.

 

[lopri]

AMD tells us that the full ATX spec calls for 13.3” of room for PCIe cards,

Where can I find this ATX spec? BTW the quote is from the AT review. This dual-GPU card is definitely not my caliber, but the length of this card is ridiculous. I mean, who knows if AMD/NV will take this 'new' standard to their next gen SINGLE-GPU cards?

 

[Wreckage]

Finally...Crysis playable at 2560 with AA:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/EAH5970/11.html
More than double the speed of a GTX295 is pretty good.

LOL @ that benchmark. So the 5970 is over twice the speed of a 5870? :\

Not even Charlie would believe that.

 

[SunnyD]

Or... video cards that come with their OWN PSU with a seperate AC outlet on the back to be plugged directly to the wall. LOL.

I would think thermals would kill this idea once we start talking those kind of power levels. Breakout solutions would address both power and thermal characteristics at the same time without having to worry about the random nature of what's found inside a PC case in terms of heat and airflow.

 

[tviceman]

So, following this chain of logic...

1. it is purely coincidental that all TWIMTBP games run poorly on AMD

or

2. AMD has purposely built their drivers to run poorly on games that are TWIMTBP therefore making consumers THINK Nvidia is sabotaging the games.

Finally, if TWIMTBP is intended for engineers to help facilitate game code, that is not a marketing effort. Giving money to gamedevs to slap on an Nvidia logo IS marketing effort. Choose which.

Come on, really? If you think all TWIMTBP games ran poorly on AMD GPUs, very few people would have ever bought AMD cards to begin with because there are literally several hundred games in the TWIMTBP program, and nearly every big budget PC game that has come out in the past few years would literally be crap on AMD GPUs.

You either did not correctly understand what I said or you are choosing to extort what it is I was saying. Nvidia, among other things, send software engineers to help assist developers in optimizing their game to run effeciently on nvidia hardware. Nvidia's employees know best how to harness their own technology - rather than the competition's - and as such are going to use these methods to help developers extrapolate as much power out of their products as possible. It has NOTHING to do with AMD GPUs. If AMD GPUs benefit from the optimized code implemented, which has likely happened but in no way can ever be verified, then good for everyone. But the point of nvidia implementing the TWIMTBP isn't to make sure games run great on every GPU, only on nvidia's GPUs.

The TWIMTBP program is obviously a two pronged approach. 1) to help developers and 2) to increase the brand name awareness. As I said the first time, if AMD were as marketing savvy and as smart as nvidia, they'd implement similar programs.

 

[Seero]

So, following this chain of logic...

1. it is purely coincidental that all TWIMTBP games run poorly on AMD

or

2. AMD has purposely built their drivers to run poorly on games that are TWIMTBP therefore making consumers THINK Nvidia is sabotaging the games.

Finally, if TWIMTBP is intended for engineers to help facilitate game code, that is not a marketing effort. Giving money to gamedevs to slap on an Nvidia logo IS marketing effort. Choose which.

1. People just repeat what ATI's rep said.

or

2. People believe that AMD is 10 times faster on everything.

Try to prove your claim. Link something that supports the claim.

As of now, 5970 is the fastest card, and 5870 is the fastest single core card. They do top the chart in batman FPS test.
5870 review on batman

Are you trying to say that ATI card will run even faster on games that ain't supported by TWIMTBP? Prove it.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

LOL @ that benchmark. So the 5970 is over twice the speed of a 5870? :\

Not even Charlie would believe that.

Doing some damage control already? Look at the memory on each card, notice how an even more extreme case happens with 4870 vs 4870 X2?

4870 - 4.3 fps
4870 X2 - 18.9 fps

ZOMG HAX!! CALL THE PRESS!! At that resolution and AA its obviously memory bound, so the results arent surprising, now stop trolling

 

[Joseph Cool]

Luckily NVIDIA's availability of PhysX games is much, much better than the availability of DX11 games. :whiste:

In fact I think NVIDIA got lucky here. Even though their card appears to be showing up late, there are no top shelf DX11 games to drive demand and poor availability of the 5xxx series.

This card has a $600 price tag, which oddly enough no one here is complaining about (much like they did when NVIDIA cards priced high).

Actually was this a paper launch as I don't see any at Newegg??

Poor weakage, his beloved Nvidia is thoroughly trounced in every segment with no releif (Fermi) in sight. His only hope is that Physx will somehow save the day.
I don't know what's more pathetic that fact that he beleive's PhysX is significant enough that consumers will choose an inferior Nvidia card or that a grown man can be such a fanboy. Seriously, grow up and stop showing your ass every time you post. You've become a joke in the community and you're too stupid to even realise it.

Please cease with the personal insults; this is a tech forum, not P&N etc.

TIA

Fern
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[nOOky]

Awesome looking card the 5970. As for marketing power, I can look to a clan mate of mine. On Teamspeak the other night he was asking about which video card to get, GTX295 or the 5870. He chose the GTX295 for two reasons: he felt comfortable with their drivers and their cards, that's all he's ever had. ATI is an unknown quantity to him. Also, most of the games he plays won't run on an ATI card, because at the start of the game it says "nvidia: the way it's meant to be played" so he was assuming that ATI cards wouldn't run those games...
I give nvidia credit for marketing savvy.

 

[Tempered81]

Sold out at newegg in 10 mins. Was $649, now @ $624

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d+5970&x=0&y=0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161311

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1470281

 

[SlowSpyder]

Actually was this a paper launch as I don't see any at Newegg??

I'm sure you really wanted it to be a paper launch, but no luck this time.

Sold out at newegg in 10 mins. Was $649, now @ $624

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...d+5970&x=0&y=0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161311

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1470281

 

[Schmide]

Come on, really? (snip)
The TWIMTBP program (snip) to help developers (snip)

NVidia got caught red handed with the Batman game writing z-values for a stencil buffer that was never used. NVidia makes optimizations and rendering decisions based on vendor ID not directX CAPS bits. If they wrote proper directX code, this wouldn't be an issue.

The crux of the issue is there are plenty of games that are not of the TWYMTBP program that have the same amount of eye-candy and run generally even on both architectures. The bias in performance is just too high to totally discount.

My original post was meant to show the selective quote from Wreakage, BTW.

 

[thilanliyan]

Also, most of the games he plays won't run on an ATI card, because at the start of the game it says "nvidia: the way it's meant to be played" so he was assuming that ATI cards wouldn't run those games...
I give nvidia credit for marketing savvy.

I've run across something similar before...nV is definitely way better at marketing. ATI needs to work on that part of their business...and right now is a golden opportunity for them to do so.

 

[Schmide]

1. People just repeat what ATI's rep said.

or

2. People believe that AMD is 10 times faster on everything.


Are you trying to say that ATI card will run even faster on games that ain't supported by TWIMTBP? Prove it.

False choice and switching the burden of proof?

Seriously is this the only issue you post on? It makes me think that you're in someone's pockets somewhere.

 

[HurleyBird]

Doing some damage control already? Look at the memory on each card, notice how an even more extreme case happens with 4870 vs 4870 X2?

4870 - 4.3 fps
4870 X2 - 18.9 fps

ZOMG HAX!! CALL THE PRESS!! At that resolution and AA its obviously memory bound, so the results arent surprising, now stop trolling

A 5970 only has 1GB effective memory, just like the 5870, because the frame buffer and textures need to be replicated in both memory banks. The full 2GB is not shared between both cores. Not saying that the results are fake though, the 5870 scores are probably old recycled ones using a different driver. Looks like both Shift and Crysis are getting a driver boost in the future.

 

[Tempered81]

in stock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102863

 

[Qbah]

Very expensive, mostly out of stock, slower than 2xHD5870 (though cheaper too) and HUGE - nothx.

Those Crysis numbers from Techpowerup are at High - who cares about High anyway in Crysis?

But in the end, ATi has the fastest single GPU and the fastest card now. And probably for several months to come. All people need now is more numbers to buy

 

[ronnn]

Vaporware.

I wouldn't buy one then.

 

[Seero]

False choice and switching the burden of proof?

Seriously is this the only issue you post on? It makes me think that you're in someone's pockets somewhere.

Funny how you missed my first post in this thread.

I know Schmide can somehow get ONE proof the make Seero shut up.

One proof, just one, proving that ATI card sucks on Batman because Nvidia help coded it.

If you can't find a proof, then you should know why I am doing this.

 

[DonnieT]

So can someone link a power supply that is on newegg that will be capable of running the 5970 even overclocked. I tried reading the anandtech and tom's hardware interviews and the powersupply part was somewhat confusing.

 

[Schmide]

Edit: Reversing the derailing

 

[Forumpanda]

Funny how you missed my first post in this thread.
I know Schmide can somehow get ONE proof the make Seero shut up.
One proof, just one, proving that ATI card sucks on Batman because Nvidia help coded it.

If you can't find a proof, then you should know why I am doing this.

NVidia got caught red handed with the Batman game writing z-values for a stencil buffer that was never used. NVidia makes optimizations and rendering decisions based on vendor ID not directX CAPS bits. If they wrote proper directX code, this wouldn't be an issue.

The crux of the issue is there are plenty of games that are not of the TWYMTBP program that have the same amount of eye-candy and run generally even on both architectures. The bias in performance is just too high to totally discount.

My original post was meant to show the selective quote from Wreakage, BTW.

Now can you please stay away from what is left of my bellowed AT forums :/

I will probably catch mod hell for posting this but really, when dozens of people make not so nice remarks about certain posters it is because they are way over the top, posting FUD, derailing threads, ruining debates, in short making the forums useless for what most of want to use them for.

Why you wish to protect this behavior that is obviously getting on the nerves of many posters here is so beyond me, I for one have yet to find a better forum than this for the information I am after, but I have at this point basically given up on there ever being any point in actually debating with people.

Any interesting discussion gets derailed so fast the only use this forum has for me now is the humor value there is in reading how people react to the obvious trolls that are allowed to roam freely here.

bah...