5ms still produces motion blur

[manko]

Another vote for LG. I'm typing this on my 2ms L227WTG and it's great. I don't know what you're talking about, but this 22" is sharp as a tack and perfect for blur free gaming. Of course, I admit this screen is an exception compared to your average LCD. It pays to do some research before buying.

 

[VERTIGGO]

You know that almost all Source games just got motion blur as a default option right? Just throwing that out there...

unless by 5ms you mean grey to grey.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Oh let me tell you guys about researching. I've researched tons and picked up the Samsung 245BW. It had two dead pixels and would display a watermark image of the right screen on the left (hard to explain). Then I exchanged it for the LG 2452T. It was such an aweful monitor. It had really bad image noise and it showed siginificant tearing like someone sliced your monitor with a knife every frame. Finally, I just decided it wasn't worth dropping so much cash into an inferior technology (IMO) so I settled for this $130 AR monitor. The picture is great and there are no dead pixels. As for putting AA on a 22", you should see how it looks on a 20". Games look amazing. For BF2 though, motion blur is really bad.

I can see it easily in anything with smooth and slow camera turning motions.

Exactly what I'm talking about.

just tested while dragging this very window and it was slightly blurry but nothing to go crazy over. I could still read the content.

Same here

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Sure. Make a explorer window about half the size of your screen. Grab it by top bar and drag it around desktop. Still see no blur while dragging? Everything is blurry especially text inside that window.

LCD's even the fastest blur like crazy compared to CRTs. Even CRT's blur though but it's imperceivable in so far as human detection.

That you can't notice it does not mean others don't. Reviews like Toms , TFTcentral and BEHardware have never reviewed a LCD w/o commenting on the blur. Not if it's noticeable or not but how noticeable.

 

[Sheninat0r]

I think the blur you're talking about is an inherent flaw in LCD technology. I've seen it on my cheap old 17" LCD and my shiny new LCD2490, but I've either gotten used to it or I just don't mind it. For me, it only really becomes an issue when trying to scroll down a web page and read at the same time. In movies and games, I would think this blur mixes with motion blur enough that it's unnoticeable.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Sheninat0r
I think the blur you're talking about is an inherent flaw in LCD technology.

It definitely is.

 

[Peelback79]

When I first got my LCD, my games were really swimming. I had set it to native res 1440x900 @ 75hz. A friend told me that my widescreen was limited to 60hz refresh rate, anything over that was pointless and could cause the blurring. Turned all my settings to 60hz and haven't had any trouble since. Don't know if this helps.

 

[SorryImLate]

My Acer isnt bad. I play steam games and dont notice any blur for some reason i do get some lag on my monitor when playing quake4 online.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Sure. Make a explorer window about half the size of your screen. Grab it by top bar and drag it around desktop. Still see no blur while dragging? Everything is blurry especially text inside that window.

i'm not exactly sure what your point is. but i tried it anyway. i opened up a half-sized window and dragged it around real quick with my mouse in circles. you're right, things were blurry and i could not read the text, only see the colors.

then, i took a postcard, flashed it around in circles in front of my face and i saw the same thing: everything in the background was clear as hell, i can only see the shape and colors of the postcard

 

[Udgnim]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Sure. Make a explorer window about half the size of your screen. Grab it by top bar and drag it around desktop. Still see no blur while dragging? Everything is blurry especially text inside that window.

I thought that's something Windows does like mouse trails.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Sure. Make a explorer window about half the size of your screen. Grab it by top bar and drag it around desktop. Still see no blur while dragging? Everything is blurry especially text inside that window.

i'm not exactly sure what your point is. but i tried it anyway. i opened up a half-sized window and dragged it around real quick with my mouse in circles. you're right, things were blurry and i could not read the text, only see the colors.

then, i took a postcard, flashed it around in circles in front of my face and i saw the same thing: everything in the background was clear as hell, i can only see the shape and colors of the postcard

LOL, I think you're the one who needs your eyes checked. It's simple: LCDs have much, much more blurring than CRTs. If you were to drag that same box the same way on a CRT, then the contens of the box would actually be clearly visible as you drag it. And this is just not true for most LCDs. For example, drag the Windows calculator window from one edge of the screen to the other, taking between .5 and 1 second to do so. The numbers would be blurred. Do the same thing on a CRT, the contents are not blurred and you can actually read the numbers as your eyes follow it.

Originally posted by: Shortass
My monitor has a 16ms response time and has no blur. High quality panels fix that, those micro-response times are grossly understated. Read any article on lcd monitors that actually test them before you buy a 'gaming' monitor.

I did read reviews, but this was 3.5 years ago for a decent gaming monitor. LCDs were still extremely expensive, and there was no way I was going to pay more than what I did at the time for a higher quality display. Hell I only bought an LCD because my CRT died, otherwise I was perfectly content. I wish it would have lasted another year or two, because LCDs drastically dropped in price the next year.

Originally posted by: CP5670
They all produce some amount of motion blur. It is a limitation of the technology and they can't lower the response times beyond a point. How noticeable that blur actually is depends on the user, the type of game and the framerate.

I can see it easily in anything with smooth and slow camera turning motions. This includes most space sims and some third person shooters.

I can even notice blurring in movies, especially during scenes with long panning. Actually, the blurring becomes worse the faster things are moving. Of course, once things are moving really fast nothing would be distinguishable, no matter the display.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Why aren't there plasma monitors?

Because you'd have extreme image burn on your screen after a singe day. Plus the picture quality is much lower.

 

[Miklebud]

I <3 my 2ms TN panel.

 

[Insomniator]

Isn't anything moving fast going to have some motion blur due to human eyesight? Even on a CRT you aren't going to be able to read words while spinning around in an FPS.

I've been gaming on LCD since I had an old 15inch dell from at least 7 years ago. Always been fine. I'd like to see through the eyes of someone that claims they can't stand it and see what they are seeing.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Isn't anything moving fast going to have some motion blur due to human eyesight? Even on a CRT you aren't going to be able to read words while spinning around in an FPS.

I've been gaming on LCD since I had an old 15inch dell from at least 7 years ago. Always been fine. I'd like to see through the eyes of someone that claims they can't stand it and see what they are seeing.

I used to never notice until I looked for it. I've been gaming for 4 years on a 17" before I bought this one. Now that I notice it stinks.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln
I can even notice blurring in movies, especially during scenes with long panning. Actually, the blurring becomes worse the faster things are moving.

Me, too. Movie theaters really bother me with this, definitely saps some of the enjoyment.

I don't game much, but I have no problems with slight motion blur on my 16ms LCD. I'd much rather have the color fidelity of my S-IPS panel than superfast response time.

 

[Painman]

LCD pixels will never, ever react as quickly as CRT electron gun + phosphor. Friction/Physical resistance of crystal vs. liquid is inherent. Deal with it, or keep your CRT until a better tech becomes mainstream... LCD ain't perfect, but it works prety well across the board.

My 2690 has a little bit of blur, and probably some input lag that others have noted (I'm not particularly sensitive to that) but what it doesn't do is produce disgusting smear artifacts due to shitty Overdrive algorithms, or give me a migraine after 30 minutes due to my eyes trying to adjust to double vision induced by funky light output angles on big PVA screens.

Paid a relative crap-ton for it, but every time I sit in front of it I still feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[QueBert]

I'm interested in seeing what OLED leads to, but as it stands until the day a proven better technology comes out. Not just one that's slimmer and uses less power. I will be lovingly using my 22" CRT, I don't suspect a 22" OLED that can match my CRT IQ wise will be an affordable option for a good 10 years.

Now I just need to find a desk strong enough to support 3 CRT's so I can run all 3 of my 22" Trintrons, probably doesn't exist lol but that would be Heaven

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Painman
LCD pixels will never, ever react as quickly as CRT electron gun + phosphor. Friction/Physical resistance of crystal vs. liquid is inherent. Deal with it, or keep your CRT until a better tech becomes mainstream... LCD ain't perfect, but it works prety well across the board.

My 2690 has a little bit of blur, and probably some input lag that others have noted (I'm not particularly sensitive to that) but what it doesn't do is produce disgusting smear artifacts due to shitty Overdrive algorithms, or give me a migraine after 30 minutes due to my eyes trying to adjust to double vision induced by funky light output angles on big PVA screens.

Paid a relative crap-ton for it, but every time I sit in front of it I still feel warm and fuzzy.

If they still made and sold CRT's I'd buy one.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: zod96
Turn Vsync on problem solved

/thread

 

[evolucion8]

I have a stupid question, my LCD supports 75Hz (Dell E178FP), does it make a difference against 60Hz ? Does higher refresh rate can improve or worse the motion blurr issue?

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: zod96
Turn Vsync on problem solved

/thread

You guys have no idea what you or we are talking about.

 

[zerocool84]

Spend $$$ on a good display. Problem solved. I would never go with an Acer unless it's their Ferrari or Orange line which look like they have great specs and good reviews.

 

[CP5670]

I have a stupid question, my LCD supports 75Hz (Dell E178FP), does it make a difference against 60Hz ? Does higher refresh rate can improve or worse the motion blurr issue?

The refresh rate is a separate thing. It generally won't do anything about the motion blur, although there are a few LCDs with overdrive algorithms that only work properly at 60hz.

Try it both ways and use whatever looks smoother to you. If the monitor actually does 75hz correctly it will look smoother, but many of them don't do it properly.

Spend $$$ on a good display. Problem solved. I would never go with an Acer unless it's their Ferrari or Orange line which look like they have great specs and good reviews.

Actually, the displays with the fastest response times are generally the cheap ones (TNs). You get higher end displays for their still image quality, not for speed.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: CP5670

I have a stupid question, my LCD supports 75Hz (Dell E178FP), does it make a difference against 60Hz ? Does higher refresh rate can improve or worse the motion blurr issue?

The refresh rate is a separate thing. It generally won't do anything about the motion blur, although there are a few LCDs with overdrive algorithms that only work properly at 60hz.

Try it both ways and use whatever looks smoother to you. If the monitor actually does 75hz correctly it will look smoother, but many of them don't do it properly.

Spend $$$ on a good display. Problem solved. I would never go with an Acer unless it's their Ferrari or Orange line which look like they have great specs and good reviews.

Actually, the displays with the fastest response times are generally the cheap ones (TNs). You get higher end displays for their still image quality, not for speed.

What isn't a TN display now-a-days that doesn't cost $500+?