5ms still produces motion blur

[evolucion8]

I set the refresh to 75Hz and the Windows Effects and scrolling looks smoother and less blurry during movement, specially when I'm dragging, I will test it on Far Cry 2, and will update, interesting.

 

[CP5670]

What isn't a TN display now-a-days that doesn't cost $500+?

Hardly anything, but my point stands.

I set the refresh to 75Hz and the Windows Effects and scrolling looks smoother and less blurry during movement, specially when I'm dragging, I will test it on Far Cry 2, and will update, interesting.

Yes, it should certainly look smoother if the display is actually doing real 75hz, since it's displaying 75fps instead of 60fps. Smoother doesn't necessarily mean less blurry though.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: CP5670

What isn't a TN display now-a-days that doesn't cost $500+?

Hardly anything, but my point stands.

I set the refresh to 75Hz and the Windows Effects and scrolling looks smoother and less blurry during movement, specially when I'm dragging, I will test it on Far Cry 2, and will update, interesting.

Yes, it should certainly look smoother if the display is actually doing real 75hz, since it's displaying 75fps instead of 60fps. Smoother doesn't necessarily mean less blurry though.

Probably, but at least in the desktop when I'm moving the task manager with the list of processes, they don't leave a long blurry trail like it did when it was at 60Hz, but it still there, this monitor does support 75Hz natively. In Far Cry 2, I found almost no difference, slighly smoother and slighly less blurry trailing since the game have motion blur, probably because of the higher refresh rate, the motion blurr effect dissappears faster or something, still not clear why works better overall.

 

[toyota]

every monitor including crts have a little screen movement(shuddering) when looking around. I have always noticed this and no Im not talking about vsync. it also doesnt have much to do with framerate although it is usually more noticeable with really low fps.

some game its just more noticeable than others. STALKER and Far Cry 2 seem to be the worst looking when moving the mouse around. its not really noticeable during firefights because you dont pay attention to things like that at those times.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
Spend $$$ on a good display. Problem solved. I would never go with an Acer unless it's their Ferrari or Orange line which look like they have great specs and good reviews.

That won't help. I'm convinced it's a limitation of the technology itself. Costed me thousands on various LCD's and I don't think I'll ever be happy with LCD tech in this area. I own the one of the fastest LCD made and still reference standard at TFT Central and it still sucks on motion blur side of things. CRTs have big problems of their own but motion blur isn't one of them.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Whatever happened to SED's?

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Why aren't there plasma monitors?

because they suffer from "burn in" i've heard people say if you watch the history channel too much the little History channel symbol becomes permanent, also they look like crap up close, and they take too much power (they are trying to make them illegal in europe)

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

Sure. Make a explorer window about half the size of your screen. Grab it by top bar and drag it around desktop. Still see no blur while dragging? Everything is blurry especially text inside that window.

i'm not exactly sure what your point is. but i tried it anyway. i opened up a half-sized window and dragged it around real quick with my mouse in circles. you're right, things were blurry and i could not read the text, only see the colors.

then, i took a postcard, flashed it around in circles in front of my face and i saw the same thing: everything in the background was clear as hell, i can only see the shape and colors of the postcard

hehe, funny stuff.

LCDs will never have the refresh that CRTs have, but I don't notice it in games or movies on my Samsung 245BW. And I don't read text in moving windows, so that doesn't affect me neither. My only complaint would be the greyish blacks.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Plus the picture quality is much lower.

Plasma's picture quality obliterates LCDs, it really isn't close. Even for significantly more money, even with LED backlighting, a LCD can not compete with plasma in terms of IQ at anything resembling comparable price(within 2x-3x the cost, and at the upper echelon, Kuros>all). Image retention, while not an issue for newer plasma TVs would be for computer monitors. While pixel jittering isn't noticeable on the new TVs that use it, it would be for a display such as a computer monitor.

LCDs will never have the refresh that CRTs have

You can pick up 120Hz LCDs now. The big problem I have seen lately is that all of the major advancements on displays are starting off on TVs and then trickling down to PC monitors, eventually.

OLEDs will solve most of our problems, native resolution limitations will be its only downside versus CRTs.

 

[nOOky]

I don't think the 5ms has as much to do with as the spec. would suggest. My old Viewsonic 12ms lcd was fairly good, and I didn't notice any ghosting or blurring. Same with my old Hyundai 8ms lcd, it's still going and I think it looks fine in games. I have a 5ms and a 2ms monitor now, and if there's ghosting I have yet to see it, or I don't notice it. Maybe it's the panel or the driver/setting. I do believe a video card that's going bad or running too hot will cause more problems than anything.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: nOOky
I don't think the 5ms has as much to do with as the spec. would suggest. My old Viewsonic 12ms lcd was fairly good, and I didn't notice any ghosting or blurring. Same with my old Hyundai 8ms lcd, it's still going and I think it looks fine in games. I have a 5ms and a 2ms monitor now, and if there's ghosting I have yet to see it, or I don't notice it. Maybe it's the panel or the driver/setting. I do believe a video card that's going bad or running too hot will cause more problems than anything.

Every LCD has blur and ghosting. Aside from that, blacks are terrible. I want a 21-22 inch CRT so bad.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Hey look I found a NEC 22" CRT at buy.com although it's really pricey. FE2111SB-BK 22IN BK CRT .24MM 1920X1440 L.O.

 

[yusux]

try my lcd, I think it's the fastest 2ms LCD with the best contrast I've seen, it runs at 64hz in XP too, u can get it for $280 shipped at fleaBay now

 

[yusux]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: nOOky
I don't think the 5ms has as much to do with as the spec. would suggest. My old Viewsonic 12ms lcd was fairly good, and I didn't notice any ghosting or blurring. Same with my old Hyundai 8ms lcd, it's still going and I think it looks fine in games. I have a 5ms and a 2ms monitor now, and if there's ghosting I have yet to see it, or I don't notice it. Maybe it's the panel or the driver/setting. I do believe a video card that's going bad or running too hot will cause more problems than anything.

Every LCD has blur and ghosting. Aside from that, blacks are terrible. I want a 21-22 inch CRT so bad.

lol what r u gonna do play on that 19.5" viewable for the rest of ur life?

 

[BassBomb]

Ah I love my 20WMGX2

 

[nOOky]

I'm sure every lcd does have some ghosting, but the ms rating doesn't always tell the tale was my point. You can have an 8ms panel look better than a 5ms panel if the monitor's drivers suck.
I'm a big fan of installing the proper monitor .inf file for my monitors also.

 

[africanleopard]

Well, I was thinking of changing my LG Studioworks for a LCD. Looking at this thread maybe I should keep my trusty 20" CRT....

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
pretty sure u need to check ur eyes, most people dont even notice blur @ 16ms, forget about 8ms or 5ms or 2ms.

What most people do or do not notice is irrelevant to the OP. I also notice motion blur on my craptastic AL2216W (also 5ms) and definitely see blurred text when moving windows (hint: disable cleartype, cleartype makes the problem muuuch worse). While people might immediately leap to the "well, it's only a $200 monitor" defense I've also tried many, many other monitors in big box stores. They were all just as bad if not worse.

I've pretty much stopped gaming since I recycled my Nokia trinitron and replaced it with this stopgap LCD. The state of LCD technology is just that bad.

With the economy being as awful as it is I see nothing but cheaper/worse TN panels for the next half decade.

 

[taltamir]

why do people in this thread keep on refering to ghosting as motion blur? motion blur is an option where direct DX applies a blur tool to crapify your game in unrealistic manner (kinda like the application of brown, and bloom, and other "realistic" technologies which are over exaggerated).

 

[nosfe]

maybe because stuff that's in motion gets all blurry

 

[conlan]

I dunno what others are experiencing with their LCDs, but I :heart: my BenQ FP93G X.
It's a little small at 19", but has zero ghosting and is more crisp and clear than any CRT i had before it.
Plus no more of the dreaded CRT eye-strain.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: taltamir
why do people in this thread keep on refering to ghosting as motion blur? motion blur is an option where direct DX applies a blur tool to crapify your game in unrealistic manner (kinda like the application of brown, and bloom, and other "realistic" technologies which are over exaggerated).

Because motion blur is exactly what this is, only unintentional. Ghosting is a confusing term because it is also used to describe a completely different effect sometimes seen on a noisy VGA connection, where you see "shadows" of things around parts of a still image.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: yusux

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem

Originally posted by: nOOky
I don't think the 5ms has as much to do with as the spec. would suggest. My old Viewsonic 12ms lcd was fairly good, and I didn't notice any ghosting or blurring. Same with my old Hyundai 8ms lcd, it's still going and I think it looks fine in games. I have a 5ms and a 2ms monitor now, and if there's ghosting I have yet to see it, or I don't notice it. Maybe it's the panel or the driver/setting. I do believe a video card that's going bad or running too hot will cause more problems than anything.

Every LCD has blur and ghosting. Aside from that, blacks are terrible. I want a 21-22 inch CRT so bad.

lol what r u gonna do play on that 19.5" viewable for the rest of ur life?

What are you gonna do, play on a blurring, bad black level, ghosting, input lag, color banding (if TN) monitor? I'd rather have 20" of excellent than 26"of mediocre. The issue that is stopping me form purchasing a CRT over my current LCD is lack of HDCP. There used to be CRT's with DVI that would internally convert to an analogue signal but the monitor I linked only has VGA. Plus, it wouldn't be as sharp. I can't wait for SED, a digital flat panel with thousands of mini CRT's per pixel that uses less energy than an LCD.

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: IlllI
what exactly is the purpose of this thread

ditto

 

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