6.7% manual transmission for 2010 cars and light trucks in the US

[jlee]

I was searching for a 2002-ish Subaru Outback Sedan with the H6 and manual, I'm pretty sure no one bought them. The sedan was not very popular in the first place, and when combined with the manual :\

Yeah they are not common at all...I see them every now and again up here, but they're probably one of the least common (modern) Subarus I see.

 

[BassBomb]

so 93% of drivers have no penis according to ATOT

 

[kami333]

I was searching for a 2002-ish Subaru Outback Sedan with the H6 and manual, I'm pretty sure no one bought them. The sedan was not very popular in the first place, and when combined with the manual :\

You might be searching for a long time.

I'm pretty sure the SUS only came in automatic, and the H6 was only offered in automatic as well.

 

[OulOat]

Europe is pretty much the opposite, good luck trying to rent an auto in a car rental in Europe.

Not really, we tried renting a manual Merc or BMW from Avis in Germany, had no such luck. They only had auto.

 

[MJinZ]

Not really, we tried renting a manual Merc or BMW from Avis in Germany, had no such luck. They only had auto.

I'm guessing most are manuals in Europe but not as many of the exec cars...

 

[ponyo]

Europe is pretty much the opposite, good luck trying to rent an auto in a car rental in Europe.

My cousin just came back from vacation in Italy. He rented the 458 and it only comes in auto.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Between legitimate technological improvements in efficiency and performance, and the now planet-wide belief that driving is something you can do while you concentrate on something else (eating, phone calls, etc), manuals are unlikely to become more common in the future.

 

[zerocool84]

so 93% of drivers have no penis according to ATOT

They're just trying to feel cooler about themselves. There's nothing wrong with anyone driving auto at all. Now-a-days they're faster and get better gas mileage than manual. If you love manual fine but there's nothing wrong with auto.

 

[punjabiplaya]

My cousin just came back from vacation in Italy. He rented the 458 and it only comes in auto.

Ferrari and Lambo are no longer making manual cars.

 

[IronWing]

Manual is a regressive gene.

If you have a single person who has it, they buy a manual.
If you have a single person who has the auto gene, they buy an auto.
If you have a married couple they both have to have the manual gene or they buy an auto.

 

[PricklyPete]

Not really, we tried renting a manual Merc or BMW from Avis in Germany, had no such luck. They only had auto.

Rent from sixt.de...no problem whatsoever.

 

[PricklyPete]

I'm guessing most are manuals in Europe but not as many of the exec cars...

Every Audi, BMW, or Merc I drove over in Germany, UK, Switzerland, or Germany was a manual with the exception of an one Audi in the UK that was a CVT and it is where I found my hatred for the CVT. They may have gotten better, but that one was horrendous.

 

[l0cke]

You might be searching for a long time.

I'm pretty sure the SUS only came in automatic, and the H6 was only offered in automatic as well.

Damn, you are right. Time to start looking for a 2005 Outback XT sedan in manual.

 

[CVSiN]

Umm the auto G35 is just as fast as a manual. People always keep perpetuating the myth that manual is magically faster and gets better gas mileage. Well the opposite is true now-a-days. Autos are faster and get better gas mileage in many cars.

Not even close.. sorry until you have actually raced both you cant talk..
I have and the 6MT literally walks away from the Auto in stick mode.

the horsepower loss from the tranny is very evident while driving as well.
feels like 2 different cars..

come off the line hard on both cars especially with the traction control off where the manual and a good driver can really shine and there isnt even a race.

the auto bogs on commanded shifts. now on higher end cars this might not be the case where the trannys are race bred animals. but in the case of the G and many other lower end cars (mustangs Camaros etc..) the Auto does not even compare.

 

[mb]

Not even close.. sorry until you have actually raced both you cant talk..
I have and the 6MT literally walks away from the Auto in stick mode.

the horsepower loss from the tranny is very evident while driving as well.
feels like 2 different cars..

come off the line hard on both cars especially with the traction control off where the manual and a good driver can really shine and there isnt even a race.

the auto bogs on commanded shifts. now on higher end cars this might not be the case where the trannys are race bred animals. but in the case of the G and many other lower end cars (mustangs Camaros etc..) the Auto does not even compare.

lol fail. I like how he said MANY cars (meaning not all cars) and you cite your one car as a counterargument.

 

[CVSiN]

lol fail. I like how he said MANY cars (meaning not all cars) and you cite your one car as a counterargument and you don't even mention what kind of car you have.

Actually MB you are late to the party.. read up.. and actually i did mention the car there in the post you quoted. "but in the case of the G" and even in the post you quoted..

Originally Posted by zerocool84 View Post
Umm the auto G35 is just as fast as a manual. People always keep perpetuating the myth that manual is magically faster and gets better gas mileage. Well the opposite is true now-a-days. Autos are faster and get better gas mileage in many cars.

so massive L2READ fail on your part.

my reply is to his reply of my earlier reply..
we were talking about the 6MT Infiniti G35/7 Coupes

He knows exactly what car we were talking about.
but he likes to make blanket statements about automatics to the point you'd think he was one of the designers.. even if he hasn't driven the specific car..

 

[mb]

Actually MB you are late to the party.. read up.. and actually i did mention the car there in the post you quoted. "but in the case of the G" and even in the post you quoted..

Originally Posted by zerocool84 View Post
Umm the auto G35 is just as fast as a manual. People always keep perpetuating the myth that manual is magically faster and gets better gas mileage. Well the opposite is true now-a-days. Autos are faster and get better gas mileage in many cars.

so massive L2READ fail on your part.

my reply is to his reply of my earlier reply..
we were talking about the 6MT Infiniti G35/7 Coupes

He knows exactly what car we were talking about.
but he likes to make blanket statements about automatics to the point you'd think he was one of the designers.. even if he hasn't driven the specific car..

I found your previous post about what car you have but you're still wrong anyway. Plus "the G" doesn't tell me shit about what car you have anyway seeing as it could have been anything from a 2003 G35 to a 2011 G37 with any combination of coupe, sedan, awd, etc..

Anywho, The 5speed auto G35 did 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 13.8. 6MT in 5.2 and 13.9. WOW 6MT BLOWS IT AWAY!

And again, he said many cars, not all cars, and not necessarily the car you drive. So even if your car was faster with a manual, he still said *many* not *all* cars.

Camaro times:
The 2010 Camaro SS has a 0-60mph time of 4.6 Seconds and a Quarter Mile time of 13.3 @ 108mph with the automatic, and 13.4 @ 108 with the manual transmission.

Wow again you are so right, that manual just blows the auto away!!!


BMW is one of the few that I can think of where the manuals are still nearly always faster. Makes me wonder if their manuals are so much better than others or if their autos are worse than others.

 

[CVSiN]

there is alot more to racing than 1/4 mile times..

and I have seen alot different results in real world dealing with Import car clubs and the local G35 club. in almost all cases especially once you start modding the 6MT is faster and stronger than the auto.

its not a hard thing to look up..
seek the various car enthusiast sites such as in this case G35driver.com or 6MT.net and look up real world results. In almost every case the 6MT is heavily favored for performance.
but nice try posting some magazines paid for review times.

 

[WackyDan]

Here is my take on the standard versus manual debate.

New tech autos actually deliver equivalent MPG as a standard, and probably better as you have to really drive a stick "softly" in order to maximize MPG.

I love standard, but my next vehicle is going to be an automatic and here is why...

For a couple of years back around 2000 I suffered terrible back and leg pain. Driving my standard truck was an exercise in pain and discomfort.

In 2002 I had a bad motorcycle wreck. Screwed up my clutch leg badly and needless to say was reliant on others most of the time as driving my standard truck was almost impossible as well a danger to other drivers if I did.

It was those two experiences as I've gotten older that dictated automatics in my future cars/trucks.

Don't get me wrong... My motorcycle is manual, and if I ever bought a Corvette or some sort of sports car, it would have to be a manual.

 

[Howard]

6.7% of the 2010 cars and light trucks sold in the US had manual transmissions.

Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, and Daimler had lower percentages. Surprisingly, GM had a higher percentage (7.2%), even though GM historically tended to have lower than average percentages.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fetrends.htm (appendix P, columns V, W, X are transmission percentages for manual, automatic, and CVT).

MIKE

fixed

 

[mb]

there is alot more to racing than 1/4 mile times..

and I have seen alot different results in real world dealing with Import car clubs and the local G35 club. in almost all cases especially once you start modding the 6MT is faster and stronger than the auto.

its not a hard thing to look up..
seek the various car enthusiast sites such as in this case G35driver.com or 6MT.net and look up real world results. In almost every case the 6MT is heavily favored for performance.
but nice try posting some magazines paid for review times.

lol so now you want to talk about racing and modifying cars?

Just face it, for normal road driving (and maybe stop light racing, which I don't condone...), autos are just as fast if not faster than the manual counterparts and get better gas mileage too in many cars.

And as far as magazines being "paid for review times" even if they were, what incentive would there be for them to lie about the auto vs manual speed? Here let me paypal you some money. I think your tinfoil hat is starting to fall apart.

 

[ayabe]

Going in a straight line is one thing but spirited driving with a lot of up/down shifts and varying speeds is where the automatic is going to fall on it's face. The level of control just isn't there and invariably the autobox is going to do something "stupid" along the way, like downshifting one gear more than is necessary resulting in some thrashing with a very short trip to redline followed by another upshift to the (correct) gear it should have chosen in the first place.

My last 3 cars have been manuals but I made the sacrifice this last time because the car I wanted isn't offered with a manual and I wanted it badly enough. My C55 has the best automatic transmission I've ever driven, but it still frustrates me from time to time such as in the case I outlined above. There is no doubt in my mind that it would be a better car with a third pedal.

 

[exar333]

lol so now you want to talk about racing and modifying cars?

Just face it, for normal road driving (and maybe stop light racing, which I don't condone...), autos are just as fast if not faster than the manual counterparts and get better gas mileage too in many cars.

And as far as magazines being "paid for review times" even if they were, what incentive would there be for them to lie about the auto vs manual speed? Here let me paypal you some money. I think your tinfoil hat is starting to fall apart.

Wrong. Have you driven a manual before? The manual 370z is significantly more responsive and quick than the AT. If you want a more conventional example, look at the 2010 Accord V6. The manual is 0-60 in 5.8 seconds compared to 7.1 for the AT (!!). Thats a pretty big difference.

Sure, some autos are almost as fast, and they often get better fuel efficiency because their power band is completely neutered, but the manual is cheaper to own and more reliable. DSGs are a different story and are very quick, but they are $$$ to replace and can get boring IMHO unless you do a lot of stop-n-go traffic. But if you sit in traffic @ 5-10mph, who cares how your car drives anyway? Get a lux cruiser and enjoy your time relaxing...

It blows me away to see comments like "who drives a manual anyway, its old tech" in a garage forum. GTFO if you don't enjoy driving, not everyone does. I don't sit in bumper to bumper traffic myself, so I enjoy rowing the gears and having fun in my car. Manuals do that for me, maybe not for everyone though.

 

[mb]

Wrong. Have you driven a manual before? The manual 370z is significantly more responsive and quick than the AT. If you want a more conventional example, look at the 2010 Accord V6. The manual is 0-60 in 5.8 seconds compared to 7.1 for the AT (!!). Thats a pretty big difference.

Actually I disagree with the 370z being much faster. I see a 13.2 1/4 time here and the 6mt times are +/- .1 seconds. With the Accord you cannot compare the two as they have different engines and the auto is completely geared for fuel economy.
Besides why do you and CVSiN feel the need to point out a car here or there when the word many does not mean all? Please look up the word MANY in the dictionary and compare it to the word all.

Sure, some autos are almost as fast, and they often get better fuel efficiency because their power band is completely neutered, but the manual is cheaper to own and more reliable. DSGs are a different story and are very quick, but they are $$$ to replace and can get boring IMHO unless you do a lot of stop-n-go traffic. But if you sit in traffic @ 5-10mph, who cares how your car drives anyway? Get a lux cruiser and enjoy your time relaxing...

Yes, some are almost as fast. Some are slower. Some are also as fast or faster while achieving better fuel economy.
I'll give you cheaper because you usually have to pay $1k more for an auto (I think some cars they are priced the same, but that # is very small). But more reliable, no, this isn't the 80s anymore.

 

[Zenmervolt]

New tech autos actually deliver equivalent MPG as a standard, and probably better as you have to really drive a stick "softly" in order to maximize MPG.

Actually, it's pretty much strictly down to gear ratios now. Since the advent of the locking torque converter (which eliminates slippage at steady-state cruise) automatics have no real mechanical reason to be less efficient at cruise. The built-in slip of an unlocked torque converter also allows the use of taller gearing, which helps steady-state cruising even more.

Most automatics today are geared taller than their manual counterparts and this is why they get better mileage. In fact, it's pretty much the only reason.

The reasons for this are simple. Before the lockup torque converter, the slippage meant that manuals were much more efficient, so manuals were the choice for people who wanted maximum fuel economy and were set up with gearing to accommodate such. As lockup torque converters and 5, 6, or even 7 and 8 speed automatics came into the field, the older limitations of automatics (slippage and the inability to match the total number of gears in a manual) ceased to be factors. This allowed manufacturers to tune automatics for the same economy as a manual.

Once automatics and manuals got the same fuel economy, the only reasons to have a manual became price and sportiness. Since price is essentially no longer a factor (even where an automatic is "optional" it's often very cheap compared to other options), sportiness is now the primary reason for a manual. Because of this, almost all modern manual transmissions are geared lower than their automatic counterparts. This means better acceleration and a sportier feel, but it sacrifices fuel economy. The sacrifice is acceptable given the current market for manuals.

Basically, there's no inherent "new tech" that makes automatics more efficient. They're still technically slightly less efficient if the gear ratios are equal, but in practice the gear ratios are never equal because of the way a slipping torque converter effectively "creates" a lower ratio that can be engaged or disengaged by cycling the lockup clutch.

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