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TheVrolok

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Make the offsides rule more like hockey. Pick a point on the field and make that the equivalent of the blue line. As it is, pretty much every exciting offensive play in soccer is called offsides. Hence the 5 SOG issue.

I agree with this, hockey style offsides and/or adding an "icing" alternative would make the games more fun to watch.
 

CycloWizard

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The premier soccer league in the world isn't in the US. Which further validates my point that soccer (MLS) is the Bud Light of American sports.
Except that wasn't your point originally, when you said, "Soccer is still the Bud Light of sports."
Bashing? I actually complimented the World Cup as a lite beer that you can enjoy because it's brought to your seat. Keep up.
I'd recommend working on your written English because you failed at stating this (and the other claim you made above) in your first effort. Either that, or you're just changing your tune. You fail either way.
 

DayLaPaul

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Soccer: Taking the worst elements of American sports and combining it into one.

Mix the low scoring of the NHL with...
The shady referees of the NBA and...
And the unwillingness to embrace technology of MLB

and you get FIFA World Cup soccer.

At least in these other sports' defense, they have made some effort to improve the sport. With NHL, we had rules changes that increased scoring. In the NBA, we have some sort of accountability with the refs and the league who explain their calls. And in baseball, there is some now limited use of instant replay.

Why is soccer so stubborn? No sport is above rule changes when they are made in the interest of fair play. Soccer is a billion dollar industry. Why are they stuck in the dark ages?
 

CycloWizard

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Soccer: Taking the worst elements of American sports and combining it into one.

Mix the low scoring of the NHL with...
The shady referees of the NBA and...
And the unwillingness to embrace technology of MLB

and you get FIFA World Cup soccer.

At least in these other sports' defense, they have made some effort to improve the sport. With NHL, we had rules changes that increased scoring. In the NBA, we have some sort of accountability with the refs and the league who explain their calls. And in baseball, there is some now limited use of instant replay.

Why is soccer so stubborn? No sport is above rule changes when they are made in the interest of fair play. Soccer is a billion dollar industry. Why are they stuck in the dark ages?
Because the clock in soccer never stops and a counter-attack goal can happen as soon as a missed goal is not given, when would the instant replay be used? I have little doubt that FIFA will implement instant replay for goal-scoring situations, but because of the flow of the game, they need to be very careful in how it will be implemented.
 

wheresmybacon

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Goal free games – unfortunate but it happens. Although if “guys kicking ball around” isn’t your thing I suggest not watching soccer. Even in the most exciting multi-goal games, shockingly enough, all you’re going to get is “guys kicking ball around”. Maybe guys throwing ball around is your thing. Check into American football or baseball. Or just sit on your ass and post here. You seem to be good at that.

Shameless diving – Diving really gained momentum in the 90s and it wasn’t dealt with by FIFA, so now you’re seeing the result of their apathy. IMO diving players should be sent off. Instant red card. There’s just no place for it in the game.

Lame yellow and red cards – Yellows and reds are needed, although IMO the yellows shouldn’t be handed out quite so liberally. They used to mean something. Seems like these days if you don’t get multiple yellows in a game it’s really unusual.

Amateurish officiating – The officiating has been absolutely horrific in this World Cup. There’ve been more blown calls and non-calls that have won and lost games than I’ve ever seen in any tournament anywhere.

droning horns – Can’t say I’m a fan of the horns either.

Stalling – Possession aka “keep-away” is part of the game. It’s not stalling. The defensive side is free to come get it.

I just think you don’t like soccer. Don’t give it any more chances. Believe it or not we’ll be fine without you.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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chuck klosterman said it best.

soccers the sport for kids that dont like sports. its their least worst alternative.

chuck klosterman must be a fucking idiot. If kids dont like sports why the fuck would they sprint up and down a field for 90 minutes?

As for me, I hate the assholes who think its great stuff.
Ditto football and basketball.
 

dainthomas

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Dec 7, 2004
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Good news soccer fans!! FIFA has come up with a brilliant solution to the problem of clueless refs.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...us/fifa-censor-stadium-replays?cc=5901&ver=us

ROFL!!!

lol, what?

"The goal was awarded and it happened relatively quickly," Craig said. "In retrospect, maybe it shouldn't have been shown. It was shown and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about that."

How about "maybe it shouldn't have been awarded", toolbag.
 

Alienwho

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I endorse the OP 100%. This coming from a guy that lived in Brazil for years and really came to love the game.

I was really excited for the world cup, but the whole experience just left a really bad taste in my mouth and reminded me as to why I used to hate the sport so much.

It's not that I hate the sport itself as much as I hate the athletes and the refs and the way the entire circus has been run. The 2010 World Cup is the perfect reason as to why you should never let 3rd world countries take the reigns.
 

DayLaPaul

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Because the clock in soccer never stops and a counter-attack goal can happen as soon as a missed goal is not given, when would the instant replay be used? I have little doubt that FIFA will implement instant replay for goal-scoring situations, but because of the flow of the game, they need to be very careful in how it will be implemented.

While that is a compelling argument, with the amount of money at stake, interrupting the "flow of a game" should take a back seat to making the correct call.

America's biggest beef with soccer, at least from the casual (read: noob) fan is the low scoring. Soccer enthusiasts, counter that argument by saying that rarity of the goals is what makes them special. That everything has to happen just right for a goal to be scored and that moment is a thing of beauty.

If that is the case and it is so hard and rare to score this "beautiful goal," why on earth would we rob players of LEGIT goals? Especially when we clearly have the means of getting it right.

Instant replay is only as intrusive as you allow it to be. Hopefully the experts figure out a way to implement it without ruining their sacred game, because these blown calls have come pretty close to doing that already.
 

CycloWizard

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While that is a compelling argument, with the amount of money at stake, interrupting the "flow of a game" should take a back seat to making the correct call.

America's biggest beef with soccer, at least from the casual (read: noob) fan is the low scoring. Soccer enthusiasts, counter that argument by saying that rarity of the goals is what makes them special. That everything has to happen just right for a goal to be scored and that moment is a thing of beauty.

If that is the case and it is so hard and rare to score this "beautiful goal," why on earth would we rob players of LEGIT goals? Especially when we clearly have the means of getting it right.

Instant replay is only as intrusive as you allow it to be. Hopefully the experts figure out a way to implement it without ruining their sacred game, because these blown calls have come pretty close to doing that already.
I agree. By the flow of the game, I mean the entire rules structure of the game: since the clock never stops and play is more or less continuous throughout, there is never an opportunity to review replay. If the fourth official (or someone else) is reviewing during play and says a goal was scored x minutes ago, then the game technically ceased being played at that point and everything in the following x minutes would have to be discarded, including any other goals. There are plenty of reasons why the game shouldn't be stopped for x minutes for the review process. The simplest solution I see is that if a questionable "goal" occurs, then the ref should assume that it is a goal and a quick review should be done on the sidelines by the fourth official. If it's overturned, it's a goal kick. However, this isn't a good solution because of the emotional toll this would take on the players and fans, as well as the disruption of potential counterattacks. I'm not sure what the solution is, but it's FIFA's job to find it. FIFA's governors are largely a block of retired players - many of them the best players in the history of the game who have won the World Cup. They are therefore obviously keen to ensure fair play and come to a good solution rather than simply developing a simple solution that breaks down play. I don't think hockey uses any replay system, but it would be the most comparable to soccer if it did.
 
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MrPickins

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1. Find a recent soccer bashing thread (one of many)
2. Post in it
3. ???
4. Profit
 

wheresmybacon

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2 refs (in addition to the linesmen). One ref and one linesman for each half of the pitch. I don't think you could ever institute a review system a la the NFL because play can't stop.
 

Zebo

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Rugby > All sports



/obligatory

No forward passing = fail
No two guys running at 20 MPH colliding (because they'd kill each other) = fail

Other than that it's pretty good. 10x better than soccer but so is table tennis.
 

Zebo

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1) nothing wrong with a tie

2) yea its annoying and ill get fixed sooner then you think

3) see #2

4) refs miss calls in every single sport, its nothing new and will never change

5) that only happens in the WC and more specifically WCs held in Africa. its really not an issue at all in European football

6) stalling is no different then taking a knee and running the last 2 minutes off the clock in an NFL game


so yea your list sucks

So you agree with about half of my list but it sucks?

6) 2 minutes is a huge difference than 3/4 of the game once both Chile and Spain were assured placement. Go re watch the game at espn. Disgusting. Commercials would have been better than watching.

BTW I hate regular season NBA for similar reasons. Regular season doesn't count hardly so guys play half ass half spirited games whole season. Which is funny since my favorite sport to watch is college basketball.
 
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zinfamous

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All of these. If you don't like Soccer, don't watch it. /thread.

KT

my main disagreement with Anubis' reply is regarding missed calls by refs--yes, calls are missed in many sports, but there is a system for such blatantly wrong calls being overturned in those sports. Even then, the type of blown calls outside of soccer are rarely game-changing--nay, championship-determining.

what goes in soccer regarding officiating is an absolute disgrace, I must say.

I've honestly never had more fun watching soccer than with this year's cup (not just b/c of the USA semi-performance either), but what happened with England v Germany and Argentina v. Mexico is completely abominable. Especially when you consider that the founders of the sport are robbed of that goal by some outside organization that now holds dominion over each game, what they want, how it should be called....this makes no sense. (Don't get me wrong, I think Germany outplayed England on nearly every step, and most likely would have won regardless, but that non-goal was ridiculous.)

FIFA complains about "technology" having no place? WTF is that? you have a "4th ref" watching the game "from the outside." well...what the hell is his role? He was obviously conferring with the field ref in the Argentina match after the blatant offsides (another issue), but nothing happened? clearly he saw something...but no change?

what.
the.
fuck.

Why even have that ref if he has no say in anything? See...there is no need for technology. Even baseball doesn't use instant replay, and in 98% of controversial cases, a conference by the 5 officials on the field is all it takes to get things right. What about the line judges in soccer? all they are there for is offsides calls? what. the. fuck? they can't even get that right--and it's THEIR ONLY RESPONSIBILITY.

The game needs a serious overhaul in terms of officiating and a lot of this needless floppery. I say this as an outsider, sure, but I've yet to see a lifetime soccer athlete or TV announcer disagree with these arguments.


..and that Argentina offsides...

First, I did not know while watching that happen, that the situation was offsides--I assumed that after the ball rebounded from the goalie, the Argentine player wasn't required to suddenly jump behind the Mexican defenders once his teammate touches the ball. To me...that's a bit nuts, really. I can see the general need for offsides, why it's there--but in that inside the box situation, after Argentina established on-sides position, is not up to Mexican defenders + goalkeeper to control the ball? they had that opportunity, blew it, and within those 3.2 seconds expect the Argentinian player to suddenly jump back and out of his established position? Well, that's silly to me, and abolishing it in that situation would, I think...help with the low scoring "problem."

That being said, after understanding from the announcers that it was blatant offsides, that it is clearly part of the rules, and then assuming that sure, the Argentinian player must have known he was offsides...well, that type of goal being allowed is somewhat criminal. I think the ref had a legitimate opportunity in that moment to force FIFA's hands. Once the other ref comes out to "conference," then Mexico joins the fray, then Argentina--all he had to do was say, "Yep, no goal, wipe it out." From what I can tell, they have absolute power to take away goals with even the slightest of reasons, or no given reason at all (USA vs Slovenia--is there yet an "official" call on that go-ahead goal being disallowed? I haven't seen it).

That ref has less balls than does the average soccer player. Seriously--he's going to get reprimanded anyway, somehow, by FIFA for obviously blowing that call. Or, he could have taken that goal away, essentially admitting in FIFA's face that there is indeed a problem with the status quo in officiating, and forced FIFA's hand.

Also, way more yellow and red cards for obvious floppery. That shit needs to stop. Line judges should be able to call this to the field ref's attention on such plays.
 

zinfamous

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2 refs (in addition to the linesmen). One ref and one linesman for each half of the pitch. I don't think you could ever institute a review system a la the NFL because play can't stop.

I think this is the easiest approach and doesn't interfere with FIFA's non-rational anti-technology stance. (There is absolutely nothing "pure" about this or any other sport, so FIFA should just pull their cocks out of their asses and get on with it, tbh.)

I think one extra ref on field is essential.

Or wait!
Think about this: actually ALLOWING the other 3 REFS to CONFER on calls! Holy FUCK! WHAT A GOD DAMN AMAZING CONCEPT!

:awe:
 

zinfamous

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While that is a compelling argument, with the amount of money at stake, interrupting the "flow of a game" should take a back seat to making the correct call.

America's biggest beef with soccer, at least from the casual (read: noob) fan is the low scoring. Soccer enthusiasts, counter that argument by saying that rarity of the goals is what makes them special. That everything has to happen just right for a goal to be scored and that moment is a thing of beauty.

If that is the case and it is so hard and rare to score this "beautiful goal," why on earth would we rob players of LEGIT goals? Especially when we clearly have the means of getting it right.

Instant replay is only as intrusive as you allow it to be. Hopefully the experts figure out a way to implement it without ruining their sacred game, because these blown calls have come pretty close to doing that already.

exactly. The England goal can be made right within 5-10 seconds of a replay. Same with Argentina's non-goal.

apparently, that is evil and disrupts play.

...yet we allow players to sit on the ground for 20-30 seconds when they are obviously stalling and haven't been touched in any way? Fuck that. FIFA has its heads up its collective asses. Who makes up this gentried panel of unaccountable aged bureaucrats that establish such hypocritical and irrational "rules of purity?"

Oh, not to mention how players are allowed to run out on the track or jump in an orgy pile after a goal, eating up a precious 1-2 minutes of non-play time. Well, they certainly can't use that time to review controversy. Heaven's no--my GOD!
 

Anubis

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as i said in some other thread soccer doesnt need instant replay they simply need a 5th official watching the TV broadcast/replays that can radio down to the field when shit happens.

This would have solved the Mexico Argentina off sides issue. and would have taken 10 seconds. TBH i didn't notice tevez (sp) being offsides when i was watching it in real time, i thought messi was shooting it. it wasn't clear what happened until the replay.

The England German blown call is easily solved with what they call "goal line technology" basically its just a computer chip inside the ball and a wire under the ground between the goal posts. if the ball fully crosses a light comes on or something, play would never be interrupted. the reason it was missed IMO had a lot to do with the German keeper getting right up and grabbing the ball and playing on until he heard a whistle. as bad as it is i find it hilarious as a very similar thing happened in '66 where the ball DID NOT cross the line but the refs gave England a goal and they went on to beat Germany for a WC victory




IDK why fifa is against it, ive thought they should at least have the goal shit going for years

and no Zin calls are not always over turned in other sports with replay. football refs fuck shit up and they have replay and then theirs baseball where a blown call can cost a pitcher a perfect game. no system is perfect and unless every single play ever is reviewed there will always be fuckups

as for the diving and carding issues, if Fifa simply adopted a policy of post game reviews where players can be fined money and or carded after the fact for blatant diving or whatnot it would definitely help the issue
 

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The reason for all the soccer bashing doesn't seem to me to stem from the sport itself but rather from the way it is marketed, culturally portrayed, and generally stigmatized here in the US. It's the most popular sport in the world for good reason.

It's actually kind of funny. Reading this thread it seems akin to kids with low attention spans (us Americans) whining that things aren't moving fast enough. Some points made in the OP were valid, but I could make a similar list to why the NFL/MLB fucking ""sucks"" as well. I can make criticisms of any sport, but it doesn't make it suck. Besides the low goal scoring is a criticism strictly in opinion... ie those with low attention spans would find it annoying.

I'd say every major sport in the US besides maybe the MLB is now too much a spectacle, rather than a sport. Worst offenders being the NBA, NFL. Soccer is pure sport and athleticism with little filler. I believe soccer players are the most 'athletic', in the broadest sense, out of any sport.

It's easy for us to bash soccer because, well, it's culturally accepted here. Our only league is the MLS, which can't break through to the main stream. It's never on TV besides during the world cup... it's just not part of anyone's lives. Most of you bashing it never even had a chance to try and enjoy it, because that chance wasn't given to you. So instead of taking time and trying to learn more about the sport you just start talking shit, and sound really ignorant.
 

Daedalus685

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I don't understand at all.... So some folks prefer another sport... Some folks prefer watching a good chess game, some prefer watching UFC, some even pay huge money to watch golf live...

Why do people get so worked up when someone next to them orders a strawberry sundae instead of chocolate...

For every valid reason one has to dislike soccer the other camp has a valid reason to dislike NFL/CFL type football... Hell, I bet half of the reasons are the same..

Get over it... the superiority complex is sad and disturbing.
 
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