60 Hospitals Cancelled Due to New Health Law...

[bfdd]

Gee, did you miss the part about "doctor-owned"?

Do you think that might change things, considering those would be FOR-profit? Cry me a river about some physicians that will only make 300k/yr, instead of $500k. They can order/refer/perform/read all the consults and tests they want, and make money off of it. Certainly no conflict of interest there.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE BIG FUCKING CORPORATE HOSPITALS DO? GOD SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING DENSE. Reading some of your guys posts in P&N seriously makes me lose hope.

 

[nick1985]

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE BIG FUCKING CORPORATE HOSPITALS DO? GOD SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING DENSE. Reading some of your guys posts in P&N seriously makes me lose hope.

it really is hilarious.

 

[bfdd]

it really is hilarious.

kind of I mean we do have all that excess hope left over from the last Presidential Election, but I swear at this rate we'll be running low by late 2010, early 2011.

 

[nick1985]

 

[Throckmorton]

If someone wants to go to a fancy hospital/buy a fancy car/buy a fancy house/eat fancy food, why shouldn't they be able to?

Exactly, they should be able to, but why should MY TAX DOLLARS through Medicare and Medicaid pay for them to go there?

They are completely free to open whatever luxury hospitals, hotels, spas, or whatever they want, just not get payment from safety net socialist services that we have in this country, because that would be a waste of taxpayer money.

The right apparently has trouble understanding something as simple as socialist services not paying for luxury accommodations.

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[Corn]

Exactly, they should be able to, but why should MY TAX DOLLARS through Medicare and Medicaid pay for them to go there?


The right apparently has trouble understanding something as simple as socialist services not paying for luxury accommodations.

MEDICARE

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Another moron asks a question that I've already covered.

Medicare sets the prices for the services it pays out, regardless of the hospital that bills. A "fancy" hospital doesn't bleed more out of medicare than any other hospital. So, please tell us what exactly your objection to a small hospital is versus a corporate owned hospital.

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Feel free to answer the question if you can.

 

[bfdd]

Good post Corn.

 

[Throckmorton]

Another moron asks a question that I've already covered.




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Feel free to answer the question if you can.

In that case, why would the "doctor owned hospitals" give a damn that they're losing low profit patients? Seems like a win/win to me.

 

[Corn]

In that case, why would the "doctor owned hospitals" give a damn that they're losing low profit patients? Seems like a win/win to me.

That does not answer the question of why exactly should they be banned from accepting these patients? Also, you wrongly assume that all Doctor owned hospitals purely cater to the "rich" looking for "luxury".

 

[bfdd]

In that case, why would the "doctor owned hospitals" give a damn that they're losing low profit patients? Seems like a win/win to me.

Because they make money off it? Same reason the big corporate hospitals are joyous over this, they are going to make more money off it. Are you guys really this dense or are you fucking with me?

 

[Corn]

Because they make money off it? Same reason the big corporate hospitals are joyous over this, they are going to make more money off it. Are you guys really this dense or are you fucking with me?

No, they are pretty damned stupid. The smart lefties avoid threads like this........

 

[Throckmorton]

That does not answer the question of why exactly should they be banned from accepting these patients? Also, you wrongly assume that all Doctor owned hospitals purely cater to the "rich" looking for "luxury".

Well that's what folks were posting earlier in this thread.


Aha. Now it makes sense why it doesn't add up. Because this is yet another made up story from the right wing.

The bill HELPS them

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10163087

—An Aug. 1, 2010, deadline on new doctor-owned hospitals to apply to the government for eligibility to serve — and get paid for — Medicare patients would be extended to Dec. 31. Aides and lobbyists said this would help roughly 13 facilities. These include Mercy Hospital in Monclova, Ohio; Scranton Orthopedic Specialists in Dickson City, Pa.; and Paragon Rehabilitation in Goodlettsville, Tenn.

 

[Throckmorton]

And if it IS legit, here's what makes sense... They focus on the most profitable patients, which regular hospitals depend on to pay for unprofitable patients.

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/local/article_5c95d06c-3b5a-11df-a1cb-001cc4c03286.html

 

[Corn]

Well that's what folks were posting earlier in this thread.


Aha. Now it makes sense why it doesn't add up. Because this is yet another made up story from the right wing.

The bill HELPS them

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=10163087

My god, you really must enjoy showcasing your stupidity. This bill does not "help" them in the slightest. That article simply states the late revision to the bill pushes back the date of the cutoff for application to be grandfathered in versus the date in the original bill.

 

[senseamp]

Sounds like a good rule to prevent conflict of interest, doctors referring Medicare patients to hospitals they own to rack up bills on taxpayers.

 

[Throckmorton]

My god, you really must enjoy showcasing your stupidity. This bill does not "help" them in the slightest. That article simply states the late revision to the bill pushes back the date of the cutoff for application to be grandfathered in versus the date in the original bill.

—An Aug. 1, 2010, deadline on new doctor-owned hospitals to apply to the government for eligibility to serve — and get paid for — Medicare patients would be extended to Dec. 31.

Doesn't say deadline to be grandfathered in. It says deadline to apply for Medicare eligibility.

 

[Throckmorton]

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/c...ed-Hospitals-Worried-Reform-Will-Cripple-Them

In effect, the House and Senate bills would eliminate a current practice that allows physicians to self-refer patients to facilities in which they have a financial interest.

Wait, so what's the problem with that? This prevents the government from funding conflict of interest. There is nothing stopping a doctor from referring a socialist patient to a hospital which he doesn't have financial interest in. Since doctors always do what is best for the patient, where's the issue?

And in any case, since when does any facility have a RIGHT to get socialist Medicare and Medicaid payments? Aren't these things evil anyway? If people want their doctors to refer them to facilities that they have an interest in, can't they buy their own private health insurance? Won't the free market sort this out?

 

[Corn]

—An Aug. 1, 2010, deadline on new doctor-owned hospitals to apply to the government for eligibility to serve — and get paid for — Medicare patients would be extended to Dec. 31.

Doesn't say deadline to be grandfathered in. It says deadline to apply for Medicare eligibility.

Oh for fucks sake. Existing hospitals need to be grandfathered in after meeting certain criteria on that date as well as new eligibility for expansions and new facilities. Again, this does not help in any, way, shape, or form compared to the status quo. After that date, banned if not already approved.

 

[Corn]

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/c...ed-Hospitals-Worried-Reform-Will-Cripple-Them



Wait, so what's the problem with that? This prevents the government from funding conflict of interest. There is nothing stopping a doctor from referring a socialist patient to a hospital which he doesn't have financial interest in. Since doctors always do what is best for the patient, where's the issue?

And in any case, since when does any facility have a RIGHT to get socialist Medicare and Medicaid payments? Aren't these things evil anyway? If people want their doctors to refer them to facilities that they have an interest in, can't they buy their own private health insurance? Won't the free market sort this out?

What is this "conflict of interest" bullshit? What is the conflict of referring your own patient to yourself? Show me a damed doctor that refers you to his competitor, it ain't gonna happen. This does not stop self-referrals anyway. The only difference is that the Doc has an ownership interest in the bed versus taking a "commission" from the hospital he's contracting at. Big fucking deal.

I know it is a lot to ask of you, but just *think* for a minute.

 

[Lemon law]

No it simply means that if doctors wants to build hospitals they can. But if doctors want to get medicare and government funding for said hospital, they play by government rules or receive no public funding.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Corn]

No it simply means that if doctors wants to build hospitals they can. But if doctors want to get medicare and government funding for said hospital, they play by government rules or receive no public funding.

Nothing wrong with that.

Another moron. No, there is no "play by government rules" after Dec 31, they are banned flat out from receiving "public funding". Please try to keep up.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=528337

 

[Narmer]

Corn, were you planning on opening a private hospital? You seem pretty angry. Anyway, I cannot think of any reason why the government would pick on these guys for no good reason. If they've done nothing wrong then they can sue the federal government for discrimination.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Thats right. Because non profit hospitals would neeever do things like over bill...over prescribe...or over treat. Good thing huh?

Yes they can, but when physicians have a vested interest (more $$$), they are more prone to doing it then a non-profit private hospital.

And since when do two wrongs make a right?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Comprehension fail is purely on you. This does not ban "for profit" ownership.

No, for you.

I never said anything about banning "for profit". I said that I could care less that this might stop physicians from opening little hospitals to boost their revenue.

They pick and choose what they do at their place, and dump off everything else at a real hospital. Sounds fair to me, do you disagree?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE BIG FUCKING CORPORATE HOSPITALS DO? GOD SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FUCKING DENSE. Reading some of your guys posts in P&N seriously makes me lose hope.

Glad to see you can post such fact-laden, insightful posts. May I subscribe to your newsletter? Can you post anything other then insults?

Let me ask you, how many years experience do you have working in a hospital or healthcare? None?