60 minutes covers Benghazi debacle.

[hal2kilo]

Its the coverup and the premeditated lies to the American People that is the scandal. They call that "Obstruction of Justice!" Of course there is also a possible charge of Gun Running to terrorists.

On a side note Reagan seemed to have done similar things and managed to get away with it.

Yea, it's called Lebanon. Cut and run. Cut and run.

 

[OutHouse]

Anyone else notice how the people who are jumping up and down, screaming, and rending their garments over what happened in Benghazi did not say anything about similar tragedies that occurred during the Reagan and George W Bush adminstrations?

I have come to the conclusion that these people are using the murder of US citizens to further their political objectives.

Please name these people and provide proof of your claim.

 

[TerryMathews]

I don't see anyone calling it a scandal.

However, as with benghazi ignoring security warnings is a failure of leadership.

A scandal involves immoral actions or illegal behavior. Failing to act is related to neither.

Republicans aren't searching for a problem so it can be prevented in the future, they are searching for evidence of a massive cover up they claim was perpetrated by Obama or some illegal behind the scenes operation he directed.

So, to be clear, the issue isn't that Bush potentially ignored intelligence and allowed an attack to occur to advance a political agenda (which would be a scandal by any reasonable measure); the issue is that the media didn't use the right word?

I really don't know how to respond to that. I feel like I'm trying to teach Helen Keller sign language.

 

[BlueWolf47]

So, to be clear, the issue isn't that Bush potentially ignored intelligence and allowed an attack to occur to advance a political agenda (which would be a scandal by any reasonable measure); the issue is that the media didn't use the right word?

I really don't know how to respond to that. I feel like I'm trying to teach Helen Keller sign language.

Im sorry you dont understand the meaning or implication of calling benghazi a scandal, or that republicans are trying to create the narrative that the administration was involved in massive coverup or illegal behavior.

The issue is that republicans have been desperately trying to find evidence for the scandal they manufactured. If you think the outrage of republicans over the death of three americans is equal to the outrage of democrats for 2000+ americans, then i guess that bubble you live in is too think to see through.

 

[Attic]

Quick get Susan Rice out to the Sunday talk show to lie and obfuscate about what we know occurred.

Yea, that's not coverup behavior if you want to rigorously and ridiculously adhere to some obscure semantic understanding rather the intent of what covering up information is.

Anyone at this point who thinks running with the video explanation for the attack instead of telling the American people the truth is a meaningless distinction is an idiot. Anyone who followed the story is aware of the bureaucratic manipulation of talking points used to set a story up that was clearly pointing away from the truth of what was known.

 

[dainthomas]

Benghazi is the new Whitewater. As in they are both giant scandals in Republicans' own minds that no one else cares about.

 

[TerryMathews]

Im sorry you dont understand the meaning or implication of calling benghazi a scandal, or that republicans are trying to create the narrative that the administration was involved in massive coverup or illegal behavior.

The issue is that republicans have been desperately trying to find evidence for the scandal they manufactured. If you think the outrage of republicans over the death of three americans is equal to the outrage of democrats for 2000+ americans, then i guess that bubble you live in is too think to see through.

So you concede the Democrats did talk about it in a manner consistent with it being a scandal, now you just think they aren't comparable due to scale.

Please let me know when you're done moving the goalposts. Kthx

 

[Bowfinger]

Quick get Susan Rice out to the Sunday talk show to lie and obfuscate about what we know occurred.

Yea, that's not coverup behavior if you want to rigorously and ridiculously adhere to some obscure semantic understanding rather the intent of what covering up information is.

This has only been pointed out dozens of times already, so I'm sure you guys will continue to ignore it, but Rice accurately repeated the CIA's initial assessment that this attack was assumed to be related to the earlier demonstrations related to the video. This was documented in the leak/release of the initial CIA talking points.

The thing I think Rice was least forthcoming about was the potential terrorist ties. Rice did acknowledge they were still looking into whether this was a terrorist attack. That was technically a true statement, but concealed that the initial CIA points said they knew some terrorist elements participated.

Anyone at this point who thinks running with the video explanation for the attack instead of telling the American people the truth is a meaningless distinction is an idiot.

Noted. What pejorative do you use to describe people who keep bleating the same talking points long after they've been refuted? Liars? Partisan hacks? Fox viewers? While there are plenty of armchair quarterbacks who "just knew" that this was a terrorist attack from day one, the CIA itself was not initially willing to jump to that conclusion. You are suggesting Rice should have disregarded the CIA assessment and instead run with the gut feelings of random people with less information and more partisan agendas.

Anyone who followed the story is aware of the bureaucratic manipulation of talking points used to set a story up that was clearly pointing away from the truth of what was known.

True, and that's a problem. The State Department felt the CIA was trying to throw them under the bus, and squabbled about that. That's a turf battle, however, not a scandal.

 

[werepossum]

Yea, it's called Lebanon. Cut and run. Cut and run.

Reagan didn't really have much choice. Tip O'Neil had the votes to either cut off funding or force a return to the previous ROE which led to 241 Marines getting killed. If your troops are merely sitting ducks unable to respond to mortars attacking civilians, not much point in keeping them there.

I'd say the tragedy isn't that Reagan cut and run, but that he didn't cut and run earlier. Got to be realistic about the good troops are doing compared to the risk, and had Reagan pulled them out earlier when it was apparent that under the ROE they could not affect the civil war, those Marines would still be alive. Pulling them out when he did does not in my opinion reflect badly on either Reagan or O'Neil; putting them in harm's way under ROE too restrictive for them to do their nominal mission reflect badly on both Reagan and O'Neil. (Though more badly of course on Reagan; he had to make the call to send them in, and if he did not have the political power to get effective ROE there was no point in sending them in.)

 

[BlueWolf47]

So you concede the Democrats did talk about it in a manner consistent with it being a scandal, now you just think they aren't comparable due to scale.

Please let me know when you're done moving the goalposts. Kthx

It wasn't a scandal, and it wasn't portrayed as one.

 

[TerryMathews]

It wasn't a scandal, and it wasn't portrayed as one.

No, he was "merely" accused of letting 3000 Americans burn to death so that he could become a famous war president.

 

[BlueWolf47]

No, he was "merely" accused of letting 3000 Americans burn to death so that he could become a famous war president.

Seriously, what in the hell are you talking about?

 

[TerryMathews]

Seriously, what in the hell are you talking about?

Are you truly this stupid.

President Bush was accused of letting Bin Laden attack on 9/11 so that he could use those dead Americans as a justification to start a war.

How is that not accusing him of a scandal? Its a WORSE accusation than Benghazi.

 

[ivwshane]

Are you truly this stupid.

President Bush was accused of letting Bin Laden attack on 9/11 so that he could use those dead Americans as a justification to start a war.

How is that not accusing him of a scandal? Its a WORSE accusation than Benghazi.

Lol! Show us any democrat of any importance stating that 9/11 was a false flag operation.


On a side note: I think we can clearly see what one of the problems are with the right, they don't know the definition of a scandal. No surprise, they barely understand the English language as it is.

Bush + 9/11 = incompetence, lack of leadership but it does not equal a scandal.

Bush saying Iraq has wmd's and having an Iraq war narrative before 2002 might be a scandal.
Bush saying we don't torture does equal a scandal.

Benghazi does not equal a scandal and at best is incompetence or/and lack of leadership.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Are you truly this stupid.

President Bush was accused of letting Bin Laden attack on 9/11 so that he wanted those dead Americams as a justification to start a war.

How is that not accusing him of a scandal? Its a WORSE accusation than Benghazi.

I eagerly await your quotes from democrats in congress suggesting this. I also eagerly await your videos of the "MSM" promoting this narrative.

Though i dont actually expect you to provide either because you clearly just pulling shit from your ass.

 

[shadow9d9]

cloistered liberals will rally behind her..rest assured. It will be another popularity contest..similar to the popularity contest that got the obama elected.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If you think Bengazi is something to be outraged over you need to see a professional and get your head examined. This whole "controversy" is nothing but bullshit and is meant to divide us. When did this happen again? Did it coincide with something else that the Republicans didn't want us to talk about?

It's amazing how emotionally energized and invested these people can get over the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi while having no sincere interest in addressing problems that affect tens of millions of Americans such as the increasing wealth gap or our nation's health care problems.

"The middle class is shrinking but the rich are getting richer."

"I don't want to hear about that! Let's focus on Benghazi!"

"Tens of millions of Americans lack health insurance or are under-insured, our nation spends a higher percentage of its GDP on health care than any other nation. We have hundreds of thousands of medical-cost-induced bankrupticies every year and our economy is burdened by health insurance problems."

"We shouldn't worry about that! Let's focus on Benghazi!"

Benghazi: What you fixate on when you are intellectually bankrupt and don't have any legitimate solutions to our nation's real problems.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I guess Terry Matthews decided to run away from the thread because he realized he had made a complete ass of himself.

 

[BlueWolf47]

And Mitch McConnell has now vowed to block every presedential appointment until Benghazi questions are answered. We really are dealing with a party ruled by a minority that is mentally retarded.

 

[OrByte]

Benghazi is the new Whitewater. As in they are both giant scandals in Republicans' own minds that no one else cares about.

qft!

and we get at least one Benghazi thread a month about how evil the administration is/was and how people should be carted off to jail and/or impeached.

I still TO THIS DAY don't understand what the whole "scandal" is about.

 

[TerryMathews]

I guess Terry Matthews decided to run away from the thread because he realized he had made a complete ass of himself.

If you say so. Fact remains, you're still an idiot.

But you were 100% correct, no one used "the word" scandal talking about Bush. They only described a situation that would be a scandal to any reasonable person with a functional vocabulary.

 

[ivwshane]

If you say so. Fact remains, you're still an idiot.

But you were 100% correct, no one used "the word" scandal talking about Bush. They only described a situation that would be a scandal to any reasonable person with a functional vocabulary.

Still waiting for your quotes from democrats calling 9/11 a scandal but not calling it a scandal. Or would you like to move the goal posts again.

 

[rudder]

If you think Bengazi is something to be outraged over you need to see a professional and get your head examined. This whole "controversy" is nothing but bullshit and is meant to divide us. When did this happen again? Did it coincide with something else that the Republicans didn't want us to talk about?

well it did happen 8 weeks before the election. An election that Obama was campaigning about killing bin laden and having al-qaeda on the run.

Now we know the YouTube video claim was bullshit. This was a gun running operation gone bad. The ambassador knew he was a target. Higher ups denied requests for increased security multiple times. The attack happened... There was no support for the compound. Al-qaeda ended up making off with some nice hi-tech weaponry that the government has no clue where it ended up. But yeh it was the Republican party trying to stir up a manufactured controversy.

 

[Zaap]

Still waiting for your quotes from democrats calling 9/11 a scandal but not calling it a scandal. Or would you like to move the goal posts again.

Daily Kos for one lists 9/11 as a Bush scandal.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/17/1209848/-List-of-Bush-Admin-scandals#

That lefty-kook enough for you?

(Now have fun doing a search of daily-kook for a similar list of "Obama Admin scandals- because basically it'd be many of the exact same things, and a lot more. I'm sure you'll find it.)

Anyway, what's the big deal? I recall liberals making up all sorts of scandals over 9/11: Bush was warned and kept reading to kids for 7 whole minutes before getting up to leave: SCANDAL! Libs threw a hissy over that for months.

Then there was some 'scandal' over exactly where Air Force One flew immediately thereafter. And the nutty conspiracy theories libs were making up and throwing a hissy over after 9/11 are legendary.

Anyway, it's not surprising to anyone that the usual leftwing serfs are on their knees for Dear Leader, ignoring all the rotten things his administration has been caught doing. That's what leftwing serfs do for their puppet masters.

 

[TerryMathews]

Still waiting for your quotes from democrats calling 9/11 a scandal but not calling it a scandal. Or would you like to move the goal posts again.

I googled for you guys earlier in the thread. If you want me to Google for you again, please PM me for my hourly consulting rate.