60 Minutes story tonight (2/3 of the hour) on spate of mysterious attacks beginning in 2016 on US officials and staff

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[DHT]Osiris

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I still wonder if these symptoms are a byproduct of some of United State’s own classified equipment on-site at these facilities and that’s why we’ll never hear about the cause, and/or they’ve been supporting/humoring the bogus “Russia/China did it” EMF stuff as a cover.
Most likely explanation imho. Send out some agents to prod around, murmur about it for a year or three until the story goes away. I'd still love to know what the actual equipment is though.
 

hal2kilo

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I’ve been fascinated by this story since it’s inception- Masers and all the wacky theories

I know there’s been reported cases of disorientation etc in extreme magnetic fields (2 T+) that you would find in superconducting magnets for instance, see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4409466/

But that seems to only effect “some” people -maybe they have a higher blood iron content? And anyone familiar with magnets would know it would be preposterously impractical, you’d have to wheel a giant liquid helium cooled monstrosity right up behind the victim’s head. Still, the reported symptoms are similar

Lasers can also convert targeted energy to sound waves by localized heating - there’s a great SmarterEveryDay video where he shows aiming laser through a window to send audio to indoor smart devices (triggering your Alexa or whatever) - I’m sure some similar effect could be targeted at a person’s head but again it seems so impractical

I still wonder if these symptoms are a byproduct of some of United State’s own classified equipment on-site at these facilities and that’s why we’ll never hear about the cause, and/or they’ve been supporting/humoring the bogus “Russia/China did it” EMF stuff as a cover.
Just yesterday I saw something on the Discovery Channel about the guy who was researching something completely different, but he kept getting ill and had vision problems in his workplace. I think he was an old weapons expert and noticed that a rapier he was studying was wavering also. He discovered that this was caused by a fan the was not in good shaped running slow and putting out low frequency sounds.
So it could be something on the opposite end of the EMF spectrum or sound.
 

Pens1566

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One additional tidbit that was mentioned in the stories is that children and pets were also apparently affected as well. Kind of takes off some legitimacy of the "it's psychosomatic" responses.
 
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Muse

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Then it's the Russians. 100% to my mind. It's exactly the fuckery I'd expect from Russia.
OP here. This is what I have been thinking all along. I figure if these incidents keep happening eventually the perps will be caught red-handed (apt pun there) one way or another. I suppose it's hard to predict who is going to be a target. That makes it difficult to set a trap. Maybe some red will spill the beans. That would be dangerous for him, though.
 

cytg111

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OP here. This is what I have been thinking all along. I figure if these incidents keep happening eventually the perps will be caught red-handed (apt pun there) one way or another. I suppose it's hard to predict who is going to be a target. That makes it difficult to set a trap. Maybe some red will spill the beans. That would be dangerous for him, though.
It fits the Russian MO perfectly, it's navigating the fallout of chaotic events and asymmetric death by a thousand cuts.
 

Muse

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Short opinion piece in today's New York Times:


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Serge Schmemann
Editorial Board Member

Havana Syndrome and Russia’s Unit 29155

A joint investigation by Russian, American and German reporters has produced evidence that is chilling and plausible, albeit not conclusive, that Havana syndrome — painful and debilitating medical episodes experienced by scores of American diplomats and intelligence officers over the past decade — is the work of a special Russian spy unit dedicated to assassination and mayhem.

The reporting by The Insider, a Russia-focused investigative news outlet, in collaboration with the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel and CBS’s “60 Minutes,” sharply challenges earlier assertions by U.S. intelligence agencies that what they called anomalous health incidents were very unlikely to be the work of a foreign power.

In typical cases, victims reported sudden and acute pain, usually to one side of the head, followed by prolonged bouts of headaches and dizziness. The Biden administration and Congress have nonetheless enacted legislation providing compensation to victims, some of whom have been unable to continue work.

Drawing on interviews with victims and an impressive mastery of online snooping, the investigative reporters found various links between the attacks and Unit 29155, a division of the Russian military intelligence agency G.R.U., known to U.S. intelligence agencies for conducting lethal operations and sabotage the world over. Operatives of Unit 29155 were placed at sites of several anomalous health incidents; more damningly, the reporters discovered that senior members of the unit had received awards for work on “nonlethal acoustic weapons,” which in Russia refers to directed-energy devices based on sound or radio frequencies.
One of the key pieces in the puzzle was supplied by the wife of an official at the U.S. Embassy in Tbilisi, Georgia, who was struck with acute pain in her head while doing laundry at home. Spotting a car on the house’s security camera, she managed to get to the street in time to see a tall, thin man and to photograph his car. She subsequently identified a photograph of Albert Averyanov, an operative of Unit 29155 and the son of the founding commander of the unit, Gen. Andrei Averyanov.
The pattern of the attacks suggested the targeted American intelligence officers and diplomats were working or had worked on Russia matters, including C.I.A. officers who worked with Ukraine.
The full report of The Insider is a gripping read. The question it leaves unanswered is whether the U.S. government knew what the reporters discovered and, if so, whether the government was hiding it. Either way, the victims, many still suffering, deserve a thorough investigation.
 

KB

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Still not enough evidence for me. I put more merit on this article

"New studies by the National Institutes of Health failed to find evidence of brain injury in scans or blood markers of the diplomats and spies who suffered symptoms of Havana syndrome, bolstering the conclusions of U.S. intelligence agencies about the strange health incidents."

 
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