60" Pioneer Kuro

[Googer]

Buy.com 60" Pioneer Kuro $4,200 shipped.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: Googer
Buy.com 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite $4,100 shipped.

Math wasn't a strong subject for you was it?

$3999 + $199 = $4198 which is around $4200.

Still a good deal however :thumbsup:

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Googer
Buy.com 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite $4,100 shipped.

Math wasn't a strong subject for you was it?

$3999 + $199 = $4198 which is around $4200.

Still a good deal however :thumbsup:

ROFL

got a chuckle out of me this morning.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Would be a killer deal except for the fact that it's OOS. I imagine they discovered their error and yanked it, as that price was at least $1k less than anyone else. Not that it matters, but it was not an Elite model either ... the 60" Elite is model # PRO-150FD, vs. the PDP-6010FD that was listed on Buy.

Might not hurt to monitor the item on Buy for a while, just to see if it comes back in stock and at what price. I already own a 50" Pio, but if they come back in with another ridiculous price like this I would definitely jump all over it !!!

 

[Yo2]

I think this may be a legit deal, since Pioneer announced last month that they are stopping to manufacture these excellent LCD panels themselves,and will source them from Panasonic. So BB and others may wanna get rid of their stock,which could result in good prices - only issue is long term support

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Yo2
I think this may be a legit deal, since Pioneer announced last month that they are stopping to manufacture these excellent LCD panels themselves,and will source them from Panasonic. So BB and others may wanna get rid of their stock,which could result in good prices - only issue is long term support

That's interesting. I had heard when the news that pioneer was bailing came out but not that they'd be selling rebagged pannys. Wonder if that means they'll be giving any of their Construction tech secrets to panny resulting in even better mid grade panels?

 

[vaylon]

LG and Phillips supplied some of the mid size components and likewise they bought and used many larger unit components from Pioneer.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: vaylon
LG and Phillips supplied some of the mid size components and likewise they bought and used many larger unit components from Pioneer.

Pioneer is the leader in flat panel display technology.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: Googer
Buy.com 60" Pioneer Kuro Elite $4,100 shipped.

Math wasn't a strong subject for you was it?

$3999 + $199 = $4198 which is around $4200.

Still a good deal however :thumbsup:

ROFL

got a chuckle out of me this morning.

Math was my favorite subject.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Yo2
I think this may be a legit deal, since Pioneer announced last month that they are stopping to manufacture these excellent LCD panels themselves,and will source them from Panasonic. So BB and others may wanna get rid of their stock,which could result in good prices - only issue is long term support

Pioneer does not make LCD. Pioneer manufactures the best plasma display panels. Matsushita will be building panels based on Pioneer blueprints. This is no different than Toyota's partnership with GM to build cars, expect to see the same GM quality from a Toyota plant.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ts-same-quality-panel/

 

[Yo2]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Yo2
I think this may be a legit deal, since Pioneer announced last month that they are stopping to manufacture these excellent LCD panels themselves,and will source them from Panasonic. So BB and others may wanna get rid of their stock,which could result in good prices - only issue is long term support

Pioneer does not make LCD. Pioneer manufactures the best plasma display panels. Matsushita will be building panels based on Pioneer blueprints. This is no different than Toyota's partnership with GM to build cars, expect to see the same GM quality from a Toyota plant.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ts-same-quality-panel/

You are correct I meant plasma. The point remains though, that they are notmanufacturing them anymore themselves.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Woa, F.U.D. runs amok here ...

Pioneer will still produce their own panels this year for their 9G models. Beginning next year they will get their panels from Matsushita/Panny but all the rest of the display will be their design.

This is no different than Toyota's partnership with GM to build cars, expect to see the same GM quality from a Toyota plant.

And this is a bit off base too. Fact is, we have had a partnership with Toyota at our old Van Nuys, CA assembly plant, aka NUMMI, for almost 25 years. This is where the Vibe is built, and it is essentially the same as a Matrix. Funny thing, the new Vibe is getting better reviews !

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Yo2

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Yo2
I think this may be a legit deal, since Pioneer announced last month that they are stopping to manufacture these excellent LCD panels themselves,and will source them from Panasonic. So BB and others may wanna get rid of their stock,which could result in good prices - only issue is long term support

Pioneer does not make LCD. Pioneer manufactures the best plasma display panels. Matsushita will be building panels based on Pioneer blueprints. This is no different than Toyota's partnership with GM to build cars, expect to see the same GM quality from a Toyota plant.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ts-same-quality-panel/

You are correct I meant plasma. The point remains though, that they are notmanufacturing them anymore themselves.

That may not be such a bad thing. Panasonic produces in volume, leading to lower Kuro prices, they also have panels that are rated for an astonishing 100,000 hours.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler
Woa, F.U.D. runs amok here ...

Pioneer will still produce their own panels this year for their 9G models. Beginning next year they will get their panels from Matsushita/Panny but all the rest of the display will be their design.

This is no different than Toyota's partnership with GM to build cars, expect to see the same GM quality from a Toyota plant.

And this is a bit off base too. Fact is, we have had a partnership with Toyota at our old Van Nuys, CA assembly plant, aka NUMMI, for almost 25 years. This is where the Vibe is built, and it is essentially the same as a Matrix. Funny thing, the new Vibe is getting better reviews !

Hell, the entire Buick Division has a better reliability record than Toyota as a whole in 2006, possibly 2007.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Hell, the entire Buick Division has a better reliability record than Toyota as a whole in 2006, possibly 2007.

Thank you ! :thumbsup:

Back to the OP topic ... Buy.com is actually still allowing you to place an order for this TV, despite it showing OOS status. I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on one. Will be interesting to see what happens, re: if they cancel the order.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

Hell, the entire Buick Division has a better reliability record than Toyota as a whole in 2006, possibly 2007.

Thank you ! :thumbsup:

Back to the OP topic ... Buy.com is actually still allowing you to place an order for this TV, despite it showing OOS status. I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on one. Will be interesting to see what happens, re: if they cancel the order.

Keep us posted and remember this is not the elite, though according to AVmag they share the same glass panels as the elite but lack some of the elite's digital logic. Please feel free to correct me.

 

[kki000]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler

Hell, the entire Buick Division has a better reliability record than Toyota as a whole in 2006, possibly 2007.

Thank you ! :thumbsup:

Back to the OP topic ... Buy.com is actually still allowing you to place an order for this TV, despite it showing OOS status. I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on one. Will be interesting to see what happens, re: if they cancel the order.

Keep us posted and remember this is not the elite, though according to AVmag they share the same glass panels as the elite but lack some of the elite's digital logic. Please feel free to correct me.

If you are not going to get either professionally calibrated, for all intents and purposes, there is no difference between elite n non elite.
This is a fantastic deal, only concern would be that buy.com is not on their authorized online store list.

Try either one of these guys.
invision
Plasma Concepts

After some haggling, I got mine for nearly the price of this deal.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Yeah, as I noted previously, this is not an Elite model, but based on my experience with my 50" Pioneer, I don't see how they could be that much better. As kki000 noted, the main diff is access to a bunch of settings that only a calibration pro should be messing with in the first place.

kki000 : Did you buy from Roman ?


Perhaps these low prices reflect that the new Pioneer models will soon be released ? I was under the impression though that it would be late this summer before they hit stores.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler
Yeah, as I noted previously, this is not an Elite model, but based on my experience with my 50" Pioneer, I don't see how they could be that much better. As kki000 noted, the main diff is access to a bunch of settings that only a calibration pro should be messing with in the first place.

kki000 : Did you buy from Roman ?


Perhaps these low prices reflect that the new Pioneer models will soon be released ? I was under the impression though that it would be late this summer before they hit stores.

I saw the 60" elite at Best Buy the other day and it was astonishing. As beautiful as they are,`compared to the silver screen, there is still room for some improvements. Next generation from Pioneer will be as thin as a cell phone.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...nite-contrast-50-inch/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...9mm-thick-kuro-plasma/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/0...ntrast-concept-plasma/

It is my suspicion there is a reason why the 9mm thick PDP will be the last they will produce and the reason is, general public believes thinner is better and Pionner will have the thinnest set on the market. Should this TV prove to be a big seller, Pioneer will then think twice about shifting production to Matsushita. It's kind of a last ditch effort on their part to save their own assembly lines. If they didn't have the next 9mm display out of the labs, I am sure they would have already sent production elsewhere and we'd have Pionosonic PDPs over Pioneer..

 

[Midnight Rambler]

I think the 9mm Kuro concept is dead now that they are no longer going to produce their own panels after this year. Damn shame ...

 

[FP]

I've purchased from Roman @ Invision (5080) and I had absolutely no problems and would recommend his store highly. Very nice guy and posts on avs alot.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler
I think the 9mm Kuro concept is dead now that they are no longer going to produce their own panels after this year. Damn shame ...

Just a few months ago at CES, Pioneer said it was a go. Do you have a link to verify these changes?

 

[kki000]

Newer is always better, but those links are all for pioneer concepts, non of those products will debut in 08, if ever.
The new kuros will incorporate some tech from the extreme contrast model, but will not match the insane performance of the concept. (nor will it be thin as a cell phone)

So as of right now, this kuro line is as good as it gets, there is nothing else you can buy now that is better.

As for waiting for the 08's I think you are talking June at the earliest.
Price on the 07s will continue to drop, but not by much. One of the reasons pio is switching to panasonic for panels is they were never able to crank these out in much volume.

I suspect most of these will sell out before they get much lower than 4k. (imo)

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler
kki000 : Did you buy from Roman ?

Yup, bought from Roman, was a great buying experiece.

You can knock about 2% off by paying with wire transfer. I would only do something so risky with the two vendors I listed though.

 

[kki000]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Midnight Rambler
I think the 9mm Kuro concept is dead now that they are no longer going to produce their own panels after this year. Damn shame ...

Just a few months ago at CES, Pioneer said it was a go. Do you have a link to verify these changes?

ALOT has changed since CES for pioneer.
Some rumours has them exiting plasmas altogether.(False)
Theres no way they can offer a 3rd line in their plasmas though.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Just a few months ago at CES, Pioneer said it was a go. Do you have a link to verify these changes?

Not a link but rather info via D-Nice over at AVS.