$600 Budget Build

Kemepo

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Good evening all.

I have a typically low college student budget for this computer and would like to make an order tonight or tomorrow morning as I need it asap. It will serve a multimedia purpose (movies, music, some gaming) when I'm not busy with school but I know I cannot fit all my wants, such as a Blu-Ray drive, into my tiny budget when I have needs like a 23" monitor. I am located in the US (free shipping!), have no brand preferences (performance > loyalty), and have no parts, not even a keyboard or mouse. I plan on gaming at 1920x1080 and would like to be able to overclock this time around.

Finally, I'd like to include:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009315

As I have no TV, I'd like a little bit of size compensation via my monitor.

Thanks all for your time, and I'm sure contribtuion (AnandTech rocks). I will be checking back frequently, let me know if I forgot any info.
 

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Here is one route to take, AMD Llano:

AMD A6-3670K Unlocked Llano 2.7GHz Socket FM1 $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106002
(the cpu and gpu are unlocked so you can do some moderate overclocking)

ASRock A75 PRO4 FM1 AMD A75 $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157258

PNY XLR8 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178382

SAMSUNG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA $57.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151222

COOLER MASTER Elite 430 $49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227

Antec EarthWatts EA-500D Green 500W ATX12V $65.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035


Logitech Z323 30 Watts (RMS) 2.1 Speaker System $62.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121033

Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM $129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

APU $119.99
FM1 m/b $89.99
RAM $44.99
BluRay $57.99
Case $49.99
Power Supply $65.99
Speakers 2.1 $62.99
1 Tb HD $129.99
Total ~617.00

Some of these items are on sale or have MIRs so the cost would be lower when you factor those in. Also check with Newegg for combo deals, these usually offer some good discounts.
With this system you have a quad core, higher end m/b and faster ram.
Where you could cut back is the hard drive, go to 500 Gb, or the motherboard and possibly the power supply. With the power supply do not go to cheap, stay with reputable brands, maybe lower it to 450w or 400w. Or you can get a case with a power supply but be aware that it can be a crap shoot as far as quality of power supplies installed. Antec and Coolermaster usually have good quality power supplies built in. And you could skip the speakers, use a good quality headset or go cheaper. Skip the bluray combo player and get a DVD/CD player/recorder for $30-35 less.
Llano apus overclock easier and better with faster memory. This system could handle gaming on lower settings and any video encoding you want to do.

Remember for video encoding the more cores the better.

This does not include Windows 7, you should be able to get the academic version for less than $100.00. Also, the bluray software will cost you about 80-100 dollars and needs to be upgraded every year. Unless you want to fiddle with some freeware that may or may not work right. You can download AVG antivirus software, it is free and has gotten good reviews.


I was going to suggest the Athlon II X4 631 ($84.99), it is the cheapest quad core you can buy but needs a FM1 motherboard and a discrete video card. I find that Newegg is no longer selling the 5000 series just the 6000 series and some of the 7000 series. The cheapest video card that would still allow gaming on lower settings would set you back around $100 unless you went real cheap and no gaming for awhile you can get a 6000 series for around $50-80.

As you can see this just to give you an idea what would be involved in building from scratch. You might want to check Dell's prebuilt section for deals also.

Edit: Forgot to mention you can also get Microsoft Office academic version for about $100 maybe.
 
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Here's my take; the total is $777.17 after coupons/rebates, and that includes a 27" LCD, a fast discrete graphics card, an SSD, and a Blu-Ray drive.



If you're using the monitor as your primary entertainment display, get something larger than 23". The 27" Viewsonic LCD really is noticeably larger (and it's awesome to play games on).

The Radeon 6870 will play any modern game at playable framerates on high settings. You'll still need to track down a large storage hard drive, but I included an SSD so system responsiveness is very fast.
 
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Here's my take; the total is $777.17 after coupons/rebates, and that includes a 27" LCD, a fast discrete graphics card, an SSD, and a Blu-Ray drive.



If you're using the monitor as your primary entertainment display, get something larger than 23". The 27" Viewsonic LCD really is noticeably larger (and it's awesome to play games on).

The Radeon 6870 will play any modern game at playable framerates on high settings. You'll still need to track down a large storage hard drive, but I included an SSD so system responsiveness is very fast.

While the physically larger display could be useful for some things, and viewsonics are pretty decent, you can get a 21.5" 1080p for like half that price. I understand your argument and all, but depending on how tight the OP's budget is, it might be worth it to belt tighten on that specifically.

Also, there's no hard drive in your build?
 

pcsavvy

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Op, right now hard drives are expensive due to the flooding in Thailand so what used to be $50 is now over a $100.
Intel vs AMD
Intel is a faster processor however the lower end cpus do NOT allow overclocking and the integrated graphics are not very good.

AMD APUs have the best integrated graphics and allow mild to moderate overclocking depending upon which one you get. Also you can get a true quad core for around $100 give or take a few bucks.

AMD3+ motherboards have good integrated graphics too. With an AMD3+ cpu and AMD3+ motherboard w/IG you can get a quad for little more cash.

For a multimedia setup, the more cores are better.

You may want to cut back on your monitor budget and when money allows you can purchase a HDTV too. With some FM1 motherboards and APU combo, you can have up to 3 displays connected. Just make sure the m/b has a display port for video out.
 

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Here's my take; the total is $777.17 after coupons/rebates, and that includes a 27" LCD, a fast discrete graphics card, an SSD, and a Blu-Ray drive.



If you're using the monitor as your primary entertainment display, get something larger than 23". The 27" Viewsonic LCD really is noticeably larger (and it's awesome to play games on).

The Radeon 6870 will play any modern game at playable framerates on high settings. You'll still need to track down a large storage hard drive, but I included an SSD so system responsiveness is very fast.


I guess it depends on the OP's definition of "some gaming", but I don't think that a 6870 + a G530 is a very balanced system. The build is also $177 over the OP's budget if the monitor is included in that $600.

OP, can you clarify whether or not the monitor, OS, input devices, speakers, etc. are to be included in the $600?
 

Kemepo

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I guess it depends on the OP's definition of "some gaming", but I don't think that a 6870 + a G530 is a very balanced system. The build is also $177 over the OP's budget if the monitor is included in that $600.

OP, can you clarify whether or not the monitor, OS, input devices, speakers, etc. are to be included in the $600?

Sorry for the delay in posting, things have been pretty hectic (even more so without this computer, doh).

Some gaming for me is defined as Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Civilization, for the most part. The newest game I own is Skyrim and I'd like to play it on relatively high settings with a good A/V landscape.

The things that I own already that I now realize as relevant are a Bose 321 surround sound system (inherited, I swear), Windows 7 OS disc, and the necessary applications to get me started like Norton 360 and MS Office 2010.

I purchased an Acer 23" monitor that was the Newegg deal of the week. That set me back $130, so technically my budget is at $470 now. Facepalm, I know, but if it came down to it I'd rather have a Celeron processor now and Ivy Bridge later than being stuck with a 19" monitor long-term.

So, within the $470 I will need the input devices. Keyboard, mouse, a cheapish wireless adapter, and if necessary a mouse pad.

Also, with much appreciation to the AMD build that was posted by jpeyton, I know absolutely nothing of them. They are a foreign entity to me. How do their products compare to Intel's in the budget sector of the market?
 

Kemepo

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I'd also like to add that I am willing* to use the integrated graphics from either Sandy Bridge or Llano as a placeholder for a couple of months (tax season!) if its worth it to invest that money into the motherboard, processor, memory, or even an SSD. Actually, I'd be fine with a 6_GB or 12_GB SSD, as I have an external hard drive for storage already.

Addendum: If low-quality 1920x1080 is feasible without a dedicated GPU.
Addendum 2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103942 Looks like an excellent price vs performance candidate to focus my build around.
 
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Charlie98

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I'm currently using the integrated GPU on my 2500K right now (Intel 3000 in my case...) until I get the scratch for a better GPU, it's workable for video and some gaming (I'm running MW2 right now) if your expectations are not real high... but it would be a good 'hold me over' until funds come available.

As I understand it, the built in graphics on the AMD is far better in this regard...
 

pcsavvy

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OP,
This is what it boils down to as far as Intel vs AMDD:
Intel is a faster processor however the lower end cpus do NOT allow overclocking and the integrated graphics are not very good.
AMD APUs have the best integrated graphics and allow mild to moderate overclocking depending upon which one you get. Also you can get a true quad core for around $100 give or take a few bucks.

You could buy a lower end Intel and when your budget allows at some future date you could upgrade to a 2500K if you go with Intel. Deal with having a dual core and so-so IG tryng to encode video.
Intel chips can do a lot of tasks quicker than AMD but what is important to you now. But there are some tasks that AMD does just as quickly if not a little faster. This is all according to the benchmarks.

With AMD, you have two different routes as I mentioned before. If you go with LLano with IG you have some choices, the high end is a A8-3870K ($145) which is a 3.0 GHz unlocked Quad Core with an unlocked IG that is equalivant to a 6550 mobile graphics according to the specs. With a A75 FM1 motherboard ($55-125), you can run a 6600 series in crossfire mode with the APU which gives the whole set up more graphics power. Also if you have a m/b wotj a display port, you can run 3 displays at the same time.
There are some people in the forum who are currently testing out the overclocking abilities of this apu.

Second option is to purchase the Athlon II 631 2.7 GHz Quad for $84.95, but then not only would you need a A75 FM1 m/b and ram, you would need to get a video card. You could get a low end video card for now so you can record movies and stuff and do some casual gaming. Once the budget allows you can get a higher end video card for more serious gaming. Not sure of the overclocking abilities of this CPU.

Third option is you could get a AMD 960T 3.0 GHz Quad ($125) with a AMD3+ motherboard with IG ($45-150), the highest end of this is equalivant to a 4290 graphics. But you can't crossfire, that takes two separate video cards to do. If you go this route, you should be able to pop in the next generation of cpus from AMD. Like Trinity. Also the overclocking abilities of this cpu are well known. And possibly you maybe able to unlock two more cores going from a quad to a hex core cpu, but it is like the lottery sometimes you win sometimes you lose. If at a later date you can buy a video card with display port, hdmi, and dvi and be able to hook 3 displays at once.

It is all a matter of where you want to spend your money and what you are willing to sacriface at your current budget.

Do you want medicore graphics and video encoding abilities now and when your budget allows spend additional money to get a better cpu to improve things?

Or you can purchase a combo that will do everything you need it to do right off the bat albeit at a slower pace for some tasks and for others just as quickly if not quicker.

It will serve a multimedia purpose (movies, music, some gaming)
If you want your computer more as a multimedia system than AMD will be your best choice. If you are more interested in high end gaming than Intel will be your best choice.
Just remember the low end Intel cpus do not overclock and they are only dual cores, fast dual cores.
If you want to do tasks that require multithreading like video encoding, audio encoding, and running multiple programs at once then a quad core is the best bang for your buck. Remember just about any 6000 series video card can handle bluray and video tasks, it is the cpu that will control how smoothly the video encoding will run. But for high end gaming you need a high end video card to handle the workload. For now there are not many games that take advantage of 4 or more cpu cores.
Unfortunately there are not very many reviews about AMD right now, the focus of most reviews have been on Intel.
I hope this info helps.
 

Kemepo

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Thanks for that info pcsaavy, very informative and solidified my decision to go with the Llano platform due to its potential and my financial considerations. Here is my build so far:

AMD A8-3850 + ASUS F1A75-V PRO (combo): $226.98 ($15.00 MIR)
Corsair XMS 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600: $47.99 ($10.00 MIR)
Corsair Force Series 3 60GB SSD (SATA III): $94.99 ($15.00 MIR)
Cooler Master GX 450W + Cooler Master 430 Elite: $94.98 ($30 MIR)
Total: $464.94 + $70 worth of rebates to be used on the keyboard, mouse, wireless adapter, and maybe another case fan or two.

So that's my first full cart. Any suggestions? Is such a loaded mobo worth it for this build? Is 8GB really necessary? Also, while I know SSD's are expensive and reliability is key, if the sub-$100 range exclusively 64GB and lower, does the Corsair SSD I chose represent poor value?

Thanks again for everyones input!
 

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OP,
You should invest in a HD instead of an SSD. You need to have at least a 500 GB HD if you want to be able to load your OS, any applications/programs and be able to record some music and videos.
A 60 GB SSD will only have enough room for the OS and a few other applications and not much else.

Check this out:

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM (Bare Drive)($159)(there is a $30 off promo till 2/1)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
This would be better than a 60 GB SSD because you can load your OS, applications and have a large library of audio and video. You could probably save some money if you drop down to a 750 GB HD but do not get a green drive, they are slower than the black drives. Check out the available hard drives and see which specs/price are best for you.
Later on you can get an SSD as a boot drive. Hard Drives are not as quick as SSDs but for the money you can get a ton more storage which is what you need for mulitmedia setup.
Otherwise your set up looks good.
 

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Some gaming for me is defined as Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Civilization, for the most part. The newest game I own is Skyrim and I'd like to play it on relatively high settings with a good A/V landscape.

So, within the $470 I will need the input devices. Keyboard, mouse, a cheapish wireless adapter, and if necessary a mouse pad.

To put it bluntly, you don't have enough money to build the system that you want. Your best bet is to get a solid base for a gaming system now (Intel quad core, etc) and forgo the GPU and gaming until you same up enough money.

i5 2400 + Patriot DDR3 1600 8GB combo $216
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332ASRock H67M $80http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162074
Hitachi 500GB $70 AP
ASUS DVD Burner $19
Corsair 500CX $40 AR
NZXT Source 210 $34http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
Total: $459

Find a $10 mouse/keyboard combo + 50ft Ethernet cable to get you going.
 

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To put it bluntly, you don't have enough money to build the system that you want. Your best bet is to get a solid base for a gaming system now (Intel quad core, etc) and forgo the GPU and gaming until you same up enough money.

i5 2400 + Patriot DDR3 1600 8GB combo $216
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138332ASRock H67M $80http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162074
Hitachi 500GB $70 AP
ASUS DVD Burner $19
Corsair 500CX $40 AR
NZXT Source 210 $34http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
Total: $459

Find a $10 mouse/keyboard combo + 50ft Ethernet cable to get you going.
I agree. Forget about the gaming part atm. Save you 100 dollars to get a 6770 or a used 6850
 

pcsavvy

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OP,

Here is a review of the A8-3850 that Tom's Hardware did back in June of 2011.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975.html
Here are a few excerpts from that article.

When the platform first landed, I was concerned about how it’d fare against Core i3—a processor we’ve already established performs exceptionally well in the company of discrete graphics. But Core i3-2105 itself costs $140 and a Radeon HD 6570 adds $70 to that bill. That’s an entry-level [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]graphics [COLOR=blue! important]card[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], too. Between the pair, you’re already over $200.
Strip Core i3 from the add-in graphics component that makes it shine and you’re left with HD Graphics 3000. While significantly faster than HD Graphics 2000, Intel’s best integrated effort can’t even come close to the engine built into AMD’s A8-3850. When you consider the LGA 1155- and FM1-based packages on their own merits, the Llano [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]architecture[/COLOR][/COLOR] makes a lot more sense. This is a simple matter of cost and balance.

Specifically, A8-3850 (the only APU for which we have performance data) doesn’t rely on any other hardware to enable reasonable performance. Pair it up to a low-cost motherboard, 4 GB of fast DDR3, and a sub-$100 hard drive and you’re looking at a very entry-level machine that can do many things moderately well. For $135, you get a processor and GPU in a 100 W package. At $140, Core i3-2105 gives you a killer CPU and an afterthought of a graphics engine. I still love what Intel did with Quick Sync, but it’s telling that the company dedicated transistors to hardware-accelerated transcoding rather than spending them on more complex 3D capabilities, where it knew it couldn't compete.

Not everyone likes Tom's Hardware and personally I read Tom's Hardware and Anandtech with a grain of salt and keeping in mind who their target audience is.
I am not an AMD fan nor am I Intel hater but I strongly feel that if you are on a tight budget now, there is little chance unless you win big at the lottery or get a better paying job, that will change soon.
I am always on a tight budget and I find that by the time I have the money to upgrade one component, everything else is almost obsolete or soon to be on its last legs.
It is up to you where you want to spend your money. It is all about balance, it makes no sense to get a high end cpu and a low end video card or vice versa.
For right now, AMD is the best choice for a multimedia system, Intel is the best choice for a gaming system. AMD can handle a lot of the games on the market now albeit on lower settings as far as I know. I am not a gamer so I leave that to others. I just know that for what I want to do, AMD price/performance suites me just fine. I record tv shows, watch tv shows and videos, record Itunes stuff and do casual gaming like Bejeweled Twist or Hoyle Board games. My stuff is more on the cpu intensive side than gpu side.
So what if my machine takes maybe 1-5 minutes longer to do a task, so what. It is not like it is going to take 12 hours to do one thing. I just want my stuff to run smoothly without investing a ton of money and AMD can offer that.
 

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Do you live near a Microcenter? They offer CPUs for substantially less than Newegg, in store only. They often also have cheap mobo+CPU combo deals, also instore only. Check out their online catalogs, they change monthly.

This month it's an Asus P8Z68 LGA 1155 mobo, $59.99 when paired with an i5-2500K @ $179.99. So, $240 before taxes for an i5 and a Z68 mobo, not bad. A solid combo that will be upgradeable and useful for years. Alternatively, the i3-2100 is $99, and i5-2400 is $149.99, which is a steal.
 

pcsavvy

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Hey OP,

So, within the $470 I will need the input devices. Keyboard, mouse, a cheapish wireless adapter, and if necessary a mouse pad.

You can get a pci card based wireless adapter which in my experience lasts longer than an USB adapter. The USB adapter I had would get hot if I used it to long. I still have it and when I have to it will work in a pinch as back up.

Here is a
Rosewill RNX-N300 Wireless N Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI ($19.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166038
just to give you an idea
And here is another one:

Rosewill RNX-N150PCx Wireless Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI 2.2 ($14.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166060
with this one you can place the antenna anywhere you want.

Here is a keyboard and mouse combo by Logitech, it is not the cheapest combo you could buy but it has 8 function keys:

Logitech Wireless Combo MK260 920-002983 Black 8 Function Keys USB RF Wireless Standard Keyboard and Mouse ($29.99)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126263

Here's a basic mouse pad:

Kensington 56001 Optics-Enhancing Mouse Pad - Black ($4.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826999006

Here's a 2.1 speaker system:

Logitech Z313 25 w 2.1 Speaker System ($39.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121034

I forgot to add these in my previous emails. Just few items that are easily forgotten. If you have a Fry's, they do internet price matching.
 

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Definitely go the AMD route with that budget. I wouldn't really consider Intel right now unless you plan to spend over $150 on the chip alone. If last generation i3 like the 530/540 were still available for <$100, then I could recommend one of those because of their massive overclocking potential, but otherwise AMD all the way in that bracket.
 

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I've gone with AMD for my last 3 PCs, but I'm not seeing the appeal of a Llano at that price in this case. The IGP looks nice for light gaming, but I'd expect it to go into slideshow mode in Skyrim at 1080p with the settings turned up at all. Tom's Hardware puts it in the same tier as the 6450 here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-4.html . You haven't mentioned that you do any video encoding, and if you aren't really doing anything that needs a quad, you could get the same (or slightly better) experience with a g620 (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=406), a cheap h61 board, and have enough left over for a 6770. You do lose out on the ability to overclock, but a system like that should still game much better at stock.

If you do need a lot of CPU power, please disregard, but if you don't really need a quad, the Sandy Bridge Pentiums look really good for the money.
 

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For those who would like to know here is what Tom's Hardware said about utilizing the LLano in dual graphics mode. This is from the article that I previously linked for your perusal. Of course it is not as straightforward as it looks but if you read the article it gives actual graphic performance data of the A8-3850. Of course this is not equal to a 2500K with a 6850 graphics card but this not the budget level we have.

Don also explained in his preview piece that AMD uses a specific naming system for determining the equivalent performance of two GPUs in the same machine. The Radeon HD 6550D on AMD’s A8-3850 plus the Radeon HD 6570 add-in card we’re testing with, for example, is referred to as a Radeon HD 6630D2.
 

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Definitely go the AMD route with that budget. I wouldn't really consider Intel right now unless you plan to spend over $150 on the chip alone. If last generation i3 like the 530/540 were still available for <$100, then I could recommend one of those because of their massive overclocking potential, but otherwise AMD all the way in that bracket.

What? Intel is faster and cooler for the same price. The Llano IGP isn't going to run Skyrim on high like the OP wants.
 

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For those who would like to know here is what Tom's Hardware said about utilizing the LLano in dual graphics mode. This is from the article that I previously linked for your perusal. Of course it is not as straightforward as it looks but if you read the article it gives actual graphic performance data of the A8-3850. Of course this is not equal to a 2500K with a 6850 graphics card but this not the budget level we have.

So slow + slower = not quite as slow, but still slow. Not really seeing the appeal. You'd be better off just getting a non-IGP chip and spending more money on a better discrete card.
 

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Thank you all so much for your valuable input. I constantly used this thread and others as reference for my build. I ended up passing on the raw computing power of Intel for the 'jack of all trades' functionality of AMD's Llano platform. Without further ado...

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-A75-UD4H
CPU: AMD A8-3870K 3.0GHz Quad-Core
Combo deal for $214.98 ($40 discount + $10 rebate!)

RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 1600MHz ($34 w/ $10 MIR)
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM SATA 6G/bs ($84.99)
PSU: Cooler Master GX 450W 80 Plus Bronze ($45 w/ $20 MIR)
CASE: NZXT Tempest 410 ($60 w/ $20 MIR)
MONITOR: Acer S230HL 23" LED LCD ($129.99)
MOUSE: Cooler Master Storm Spawn ($24.99)
WiFi ADAPTER: Rosewill RNX-EasyN1 ($7.99)

Total: $601.92 with $60 in rebates.

Basically I felt this gave me a plethora of options going forward. I can start off with just the integrated graphics, then eventually add an asymetric crossfire compatible card, and then even perhaps try the dual GPU route. Also, like Sandy to Ivy Bridge, I'll be able to swap out the Llano for a Trinity core eventually. Speaking of considerable gains, having the unlocked multipliers will also give me the option to buy an aftermarket heatsink and have it serve a purpose. There's also the standard additions over time like memory and storage. All in all I think I put together the begginings of a solid mid-range that will be pretty functional and, although a bit sparse, with $50 here and there be quite suitable for Civ5 eventually.

Thoughts?
 

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i5-2400 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A8-3850

I know you got the A8-3870K, but even with some overclocking, I can't imagine it being all that much better. Seriously, the gap is so wide that OCing won't get you Intel-level performance. (I am a bit of an AMD fanboy, and it sucks having to say something like that. T_T)

Llano might have the better IGP, but, I don't know. It just sounds really anemic for gaming purposes, but maybe you'll find it acceptable. Maybe.

Civ5 also benefits from a faster cpu. That benchmark is a bit old, but Llano isn't much different from Phenom IIs.

I just think you're sacrificing too much for the better IGP now. Down the road, when you can get a better discrete graphics card, the IGP you have most likely won't matter.
 
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