60hz IPS vs 120HZ TN for gaming?

[daterxies]

My build is strictly for gaming.. GTX 780, 4670K, 240GB SSD etc etc.

I hear people swear by 120hz monitors making gameplay so much more smoother.

Then i hear people talk about IPS and how beautifully colored they are... Some say they are slower then TN even if both are @ 5ms?

Its a hard choice for me. I play MMO's / RPGS quite a bit, and if it was just MMO's / RPG's that i played the clear winner would be a IPS monitor. But i also do enjoy my FPS games... and from what i hear this is where 120hz really makes a difference... a HUGE difference according to some.


Whats your opinions? My current 23inch monitors are running on 5 years old... so im assuming anything i get will be superior to these as technology has evolved.

Also if you have any suggestions that would be great too... looking to spend up to 200 dollars per monitor... or up to 350-400 for one nice one and just use one of my current 23inchers for my 2nd display.

Id also like to add i really dont play FPS competitively.. in fact i kind of suck at them. Mainly play just to play with friends.

 

[bystander36]

This is one of those things that you just have to decide for yourself. Everyone is different, with different opinions on what is important.

I play mostly RPG's, with a few FPS games here and there. I still prefer 120hz for faster smoother game play. The difference is mostly in how the mouse feels. I feel connected to the view. Part of the importance to me is that latency and stutter cause me nausea when I game in first person.

As of now, do you find yourself ok with 40 FPS, or do you feel a need for 60+ FPS? Do you play with V-sync, or do you find going without to be more important?

If you play at sub 60 FPS, and/or find V-sync perfectly fine, you may be ok with IPS, but you probably will prefer 120hz if you are not ok with that.

 

[TreVader]

If you're not a hardcore FPS guy go IPS, a GTX-780 isn't gonna push anywhere near 120fps in modern titles anyway.


If you were building this to play FPS shooters, and had 4x 780ti SLI, then TN would be the better choice. you'll be lucky to average 40fps @1440p in many titles with that GC.

 

[Wall Street]

If you're not a hardcore FPS guy go IPS, a GTX-780 isn't gonna push anywhere near 120fps in modern titles anyway.

I would venture to say that in pretty much every single game out there today you can get 120 FPS with a GTX 780 at 1080p (the resolution of almost all 120 Hz monitors). Maybe not at ultra settings, but at some reasonably playable visual settings.

 

[Stuka87]

If you're not a hardcore FPS guy go IPS, a GTX-780 isn't gonna push anywhere near 120fps in modern titles anyway.


If you were building this to play FPS shooters, and had 4x 780ti SLI, then TN would be the better choice. you'll be lucky to average 40fps @1440p in many titles with that GC.

Nowhere did he mention 1440P. He said he currently has a 23" and wants another, which is a 1080P resolution.

A single 780 is fine.

 

[daterxies]

I think i will go for an IPS. The only thing that slightly worries me is the light bleed.. from reviews some people (Even with the same monitors) say they barly have any whereas some have insane amounts and end up returning them.

Does anyone have a good suggestions for an IPS monitor for less then 200?

Im looking at http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS239H-P-...ds=ips+monitor and buying 2 of them right away.

 

[TreVader]

Nowhere did he mention 1440P. He said he currently has a 23" and wants another, which is a 1080P resolution.

A single 780 is fine.

Lol alright if uuu say so.... he also never mentioned 1080p. And there are PLENTY of 120hz 1440p monitors out there.


1 GTX 780 will not push 90hz in modern titles at 1080p. Crysis 3 on ultra with 4xMSAA is unplayable at 1080p. Even at 2x MSAA you're not gonna go much above 60fps

 

[bystander36]

Lol alright if uuu say so.... he also never mentioned 1080p. And there are PLENTY of 120hz 1440p monitors out there.


1 GTX 780 will not push 90hz in modern titles at 1080p. Crysis 3 on ultra with 4xMSAA is unplayable at 1080p. Even at 2x MSAA you're not gonna go much above 60fps

Do you mind posting a link to a 120hz 1440p screen being sold with stock settings? The only 120hz 1440p screens I've ever heard of are OC/hacked screens, which also rarely reach 120hz. The only official 120hz 1440hz monitor that will be coming soon is an Asus G-sync monitor.

There are other games, besides Crysis 3. Not many are that demanding, and why does one have to even AA at all?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I honestly prefer response time and clarity of motion over color accuracy. I love my 144hz TN panel.

Also, if you're serious about FPS games you'll lower settings to improve your ability to see and get 120fps pretty easily with the gtx780 if you ask me. I get nearly constant 120fps on a 7970 in bf4. Some dips when looking at a lot of fire or destruction, but it's pretty darn smooth otherwise.

 

[Will Robinson]

If you are a gamer and that is the primary function I'd go for a good 120hz panel and see if everyone is right about the smoothness.
If it's more a multi media use PC then definitely get a good IPS panel.

 

[Face2Face]

1 GTX 780 will not push 90hz in modern titles at 1080p. Crysis 3 on ultra with 4xMSAA is unplayable at 1080p. Even at 2x MSAA you're not gonna go much above 60fps

Yes it will. You can't use this blanket statement for the most demanding game this generation.

 

[BrightCandle]

I think actually the choice is really Gsync/144hz verses IPS. Combined with the reduced motion blur of TN we now have a massive reduction in the stuttering that has plagued games for decades or the image quality issues of vsync off. I wouldn't consider getting a normal TN monitor now, it should definitely be Gsync.

IPS does have better colour quality, with an unmoving image next to a TN showing the same scene it clearly shows some colour detail I could not see on a TN panel. However as soon as you move you can't really see with IPS, the screen is just really blurry. A high speed TN panel is much clearer (not CRT clear yet but getting closer). I faced the same decision 3 years ago and went IPS, then a year ago I went 144Hz TN with lightboost and I won't ever go back to a 60hz IPS panel. I am a much better player when things are smooth. I don't miss the colour accuracy, I just miss the ability to set my screen darker!

 

[McLovin42]

A big misconception here is that IPS ='s a better looking display than a TN monitor. Definetly not true at all.

There are a number of TN panels with superior ANSI contrast and gamma curves while still actually having respectable color accuracy and saturation....to the point that when calibrated will look just as good to the typical user as an IPS panel would. Bg key is in calibration.

The big downside to TN panels is the off axis viewing...........but how many people really use their monitors off angle? If this was being used as a television with multiple people watching, then I can understand, but for a single person viewing a monitor head on its basically a non issue.

Also, another thing to keep in mind here is MOTION RESOLUTION. A monitor that can refresh at 120hz or higher coupled with a strong video card capable of refreshing in that same range will have a much higher MOTION RESOLUTION than a monitor of the same resolution with a 60hz refresh rate. Even a higher resolution 60hz monitor will have typically a lower motion resolution than a monitor with a higher refresh rate and lower static resolution.

So these things need to be kept in mind.

That being said you can get Asus's 144hz monitor for about $250 shipped. If your sporting an Nvidia card you can then buy the Gsync module that will completely eliminate stuttering and tearing and also eliminate input lag. Its a win win win situation.

 

[Will Robinson]

Go try a Dell Ultrasharp H-IPS panel....it easily has better IQ than any number of TN panels you care to match up with it.
Off angle viewing as you noted is not an issue....its a PC not a TV so you sit in front of it.
I've rocked a Samsung SyncMaster with 5ms redraw speed and it still doesn't make it better than a good IPS.

IPS does have better colour quality, with an unmoving image next to a TN showing the same scene it clearly shows some colour detail I could not see on a TN panel. However as soon as you move you can't really see with IPS, the screen is just really blurry. A high speed TN panel is much clearer (not CRT clear yet but getting closer).

No,that's not been my experience at all.
IPS is just better,that's it.

 

[Despoiler]

A big misconception here is that IPS ='s a better looking display than a TN monitor. Definetly not true at all.

Really? You realize that they use TN panels in TVs only for the cheapest ones right? All of the mid to high end are IPS, IPS equivalent, or better panels. Quite literally, gaming is the only application that TN isn't disregarded outright.

OP you want an Eizo Foris FG 2421. 120hz VA panel with ridiculous calibrated contrast and much much better blacks than IPS tech can deliver.

 

[McLovin42]

Really? You realize that they use TN panels in TVs only for the cheapest ones right? All of the mid to high end are IPS, IPS equivalent, or better panels. Quite literally, gaming is the only application that TN isn't disregarded outright.

OP you want an Eizo Foris FG 2421. 120hz VA panel with ridiculous calibrated contrast and much much better blacks than IPS tech can deliver.

Comparing TV's to computer monitors is not an apples to apples comparison.....in any fashion. Both IPS and TN panels in reality are flawed technologies....LCD panels in general are flawed technology.

But to generally say an IPS is better than a TN panel is just plain silly.

Example, the Asus 144hz TN panel has much better ANSI contrast and gamma curve than most IPS panels out there. Its black levels are also better than most IPS panels available. Its greyscale tracking is also superb. Its refresh rate is obviously one of the best(hence motion resolution is one of the best).

And for a TN panel its color accuracy is actually quite respectable. Not the best, but very respectable to the point where most users wouldn't notice a difference once properly CALIBRATED. Asus also did a great job with nearly eliminating dithering/false contouring that TN panels are known to have issue with where its also basically now a non issue.

And for the cheap price of $250 for a 24" screen? You just cant beat it. Add in a Gsync module for $200 more and you have a monitor with no input lag, and no screen artifacts like tearing or stutter. Find me an IPS panel that can claim that performance overall......and at that price point as well.......good luck with that.

 

[Midwayman]

If you care much about the FPS games, especially multiplayer you don't want a 60hz monitor. That leaves you with the various TN panels. I'd wait for a gsynch one in the next couple months. If colors are real important, Ezio makes a really nice VA panel that 120hz with strobe.

 

[omeds]

IPS is just better,that's it.

If that were true, these discussions wouldn't exist. TN does have advantages over IPS that matter more to some people than static image quality.

 

[Squeetard]

Both of your picks are wrong. 120HZ with LIGHTBOOST is the only way to game. Amazing, actually puts GSync to shame too.

Bought my VG278HE, already had a Dell U2711. Compared them side by side and promptly sold the Dell. Whatever miniscule increase in static image quality you get with IPS gets wiped out the instant you move your mouse. and I love the colors too. Games look amazing.

 

[omeds]

Yeah IPS turns to trash the instant you move your mouse. It's fair to say TN produces far better IQ in motion, which is 99% of the time in FPS games.

For slower games, isometric, RTS etc, then I would go with IPS, but for FPS gaming there's simply no contest - TN hands down.

 

[McLovin42]

Both of your picks are wrong. 120HZ with LIGHTBOOST is the only way to game. Amazing, actually puts GSync to shame too.

This comment promptly tells me that you have never seen or physically used G-sync in person or even know that 2nd generation lightboost comes with G-sync.

 

[omeds]

I cant wait, lightboost tech that doesn't destroy the image. Gsync + proper lightboost will be teh shiz.

 

[Sisyphean]

Well it really depends. I have both a 1440p (U2713HM) and a 144Hz TN (BenQ XL2420T). I consider myself an avid gamer where I spend a lot (not hardcore) of my free time. I play a large variety of games ranging across all genres.

I can say without a doubt that the IPS 1440p is the screen I prefer for almost everything I do. Obviously the TN panel feels a lot more responsive and smooth (actually its blacks and gamma is really nice too) but the color and resolution just pale compared to the IPS. If I play something like Super Hexagon, CS:GO, or SC2 (was high Master last season) I'll use the TN panel because it just feels better, especially where motion (and response) is so important due to the fast motions from controlling. Aside from those exceptions the IPS provides a much nicer visual quality in every other game. If I'm playing Civ, Europa Universalis, any SP RPG and even FPS I use the IPS monitor. The reason for that is because those games do not require consistent and rapid motions.

So if you are primarily playing games that are of competitive nature and require fast motion the TN panel is the way to go, for everything else the IPS is the clear winner. I'd also like to add that if you play the competitive type games at a mediocre level then a fast TN panel is not going to make you a better player. Even though I'm a Master league player in SC2 and I prefer the smoothness of the TN panel I do not see any real difference in my results if I switch monitors, so in fact those differences, particularly in response, only make sense for those players that are professional. That extra response times of IPS panels might be visually noticeable but in most cases a player won't be able to take advantage of such a thing, even if they switch to a fast TN panel. This is because most non pros just don't have the sort of muscle memory needed to react quickly and correctly enough. Unless you dedicate a lot more time to build those reflexes the only thing a TN panel will provide (in the sense of improving your skill) is a quicker visual of when you fail/die. So if you're a LoL, CSGO or w/e player and you are not in the higher tier (Bronze, average MMR, what have you) you might as well just get the IPS.

 

[brandonb]

I don't have a 120hz monitor, and never used one. But I have a crappy TN at work, and a crappy IPS at home. Between the two, I'd pick the IPS.

The color shift is just too annoying for me. Even with a 23" screen a foot and a half away, I have to adjust my monitor frequently to see colors properly because the shift has already skewed the image.

I'd never buy a TN panel again because of it. Don't care if its 500hz.

 

[tweakboy]

Either way, you get lag. 5ms to 12ms lag for LED LCD pc monitor or TN and IPS

the mouse wont be instanty smooth,, even tho its 120hz,,,.... I would pass on all and wait for a 1ms 120hz no.. gl