So.. you're judging high end gaming displays based on your crappy work panel.. it didn't occur to you they are not the same? That, and you've never actually gamed above 60hz?
LoL, ignorance is bliss.
LoL, ignorance is bliss.
Well it really depends. I have both a 1440p (U2713HM) and a 144Hz TN (BenQ XL2420T). I consider myself an avid gamer where I spend a lot (not hardcore) of my free time. I play a large variety of games ranging across all genres.
I can say without a doubt that the IPS 1440p is the screen I prefer for almost everything I do. Obviously the TN panel feels a lot more responsive and smooth (actually its blacks and gamma is really nice too) but the color and resolution just pale compared to the IPS. If I play something like Super Hexagon, CS:GO, or SC2 (was high Master last season) I'll use the TN panel because it just feels better, especially where motion (and response) is so important due to the fast motions from controlling. Aside from those exceptions the IPS provides a much nicer visual quality in every other game. If I'm playing Civ, Europa Universalis, any SP RPG and even FPS I use the IPS monitor. The reason for that is because those games do not require consistent and rapid motions.
I cant wait, lightboost tech that doesn't destroy the image. Gsync + proper lightboost will be teh shiz.
The big downside to TN panels is the off axis viewing...........but how many people really use their monitors off angle? If this was being used as a television with multiple people watching, then I can understand, but for a single person viewing a monitor head on its basically a non issue.
In case you aren't aware, TN displays are going to start coming at higher resolutions. Asus ROG Swift PG278Q is 1440p, TN with G-sync. That means IPS does not mean higher resolution. There are 4K 60 G-sync monitors in the works as well, which will also be TN most likely.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/asus-rog-swift-pg278q-makes-g-sync-at-1440p-a-reality/
Yes it will. You can't use this blanket statement for the most demanding game this generation.
No it won't and yes, I can. BF4, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, Skyrim. Name the modern title, if you max out settings and turn MSAA up anwhere from 2-8x and a gtx780 will be lucky to average 30fps. You NEED MSAA at that level because 1080p is a lower res, and the GTX 780 can't hang.
The 780ti is a slightly different story but still gets crippled on some games. These days you need to go multi gpu if you want to truly max out settings everywhere, even at 1080p.
No it won't and yes, I can. BF4, Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, Skyrim. Name the modern title, if you max out settings and turn MSAA up anwhere from 2-8x and a gtx780 will be lucky to average 30fps. You NEED MSAA at that level because 1080p is a lower res, and the GTX 780 can't hang.
The 780ti is a slightly different story but still gets crippled on some games. These days you need to go multi gpu if you want to truly max out settings everywhere, even at 1080p.
WTF are you talking about? My friend's GTX 780/4670k system on Crysis 3 averages about 55fps with settings maxed out using 8x MSAA at 1080p.
You obviously know not what you're talking about.
So are we talking stock GTX 780's?
You do realize the GTX 780 is only 10% slower clock for clock vs. the GTX 780ti. It doesn't take much to get a GTX 780 to GTX 780ti performance.
Yeah IPS turns to trash the instant you move your mouse. It's fair to say TN produces far better IQ in motion, which is 99% of the time in FPS games.
For slower games, isometric, RTS etc, then I would go with IPS, but for FPS gaming there's simply no contest - TN hands down.
Sure he does. And you're going to buy a 120hz monitor for 55fps AVERAGE... which basically means it dips into the high 20s?
You need 90-100fps average to justify 120hz. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels.
EDIT: Also, you might want to take a look at this bench. At 1440p the 780 is barely making 30fps in Crysis 3 with 2x MSAA. Somehow I doubt it gets double that at 8x MSAA at 1080p
http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTM4MzgwMjIzMEo0MjJtYndrb1NfM18zX2wuZ2lm
First off that link you gave is not 1440p, its 2560x1600p, which is a 4 megapixel display. Second off the GTX780 is averaging 35fps...........not 30fps. So yeah translate down to a lower res. at 1080p which is a 2 megapixel display.......55fps AVERAGE is pretty much spot on with a higher 8x MSAA.
Regardless having a high refresh rate monitor whether or not one specific game can hit the max refresh rate with a video card is not how you should be looking at things.
I suggest before you post again though, be sure to know your hardware abilities, or at least post up links that are correct and back up your own opinions.
Do a search and stop acting ignorant.....tons of youtube vids with people running Crysis 3 on a single GTX 780 at 1080p with all settings maxed at 8x MSAA hitting in the 55fps AVERAGE range. THe computer I built for my friend does it no issues.Really? And where is all the data to back up the assertions? GTX 780 will not run crysis 3 at 1080p 8xMSAA at 55fps PERIOD. Next time you post, back up your claims. KTHXBYE
Do a search and stop acting ignorant.....tons of youtube vids with people running Crysis 3 on a single GTX 780 at 1080p with all settings maxed at 8x MSAA hitting in the 55fps AVERAGE range. THe computer I built for my friend does it no issues.
Again do the math from your own link. 2560x1600='s 4 megapixel display. That link the GTX 780 was averaging 35fps with 2x MSAA. Now double the FPS average would be 70fps.
Now go to a display at 1920x1080='s 2 megapixel display. So basically half of 4 megapixel is 2 Megapixel. So double 35fps to 70fps. Now account for the 8x MSAA.........which brings you to right about 55fps. And that's not even accounting for driver optimizations/updates etc from that old link you provided. WHat drivers from that link were being used? Exactly.
So yeah, the numbers in fact fully add up, and regardless I know firsthand what a 780 can do on Crysis 3 with a 1080p display.
When you actually get some hands on experience with a 780 card on a 1080p display vs. just posting incorrect links and old reviews,benchmarks and threads you read on the interweb........let me know McFly. :thumbsup:
Maybe I should just post up links like you did..............that didn't even back up your own opinions? :biggrin: You see a lot of words, and the math adds up........but your own ignorance clouds your vision.I see a lot of words but no links. Bring me some benches and ill read your blabber about how awesome your 780 is.
You need 90-100fps average to justify 120hz. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels.
The only difference between a standard LCD and a CRT is the CRT flickers between refreshes. At least in terms of how frames are displayed.I am not so sure this is true. Don't blast me because I currently don't have a source to back this up, but I believe the refresh rate of a digital signal doesn't equate to the refresh rate of an analog. And if we were talking analog, I would agree with you. But I have seen too many people laud the greatness of the higher refresh rate's effect on games (digital at 120 or 144Hz), else we have a lot of gamers suffering a placebo effect (and I don't think we do).
It doesn't mean the frames per second generated by the video card must match the monitor's refresh rate in order to literally "see" the benefit, as is the case in an analog display. Therefore, there is no need for the video card to generate 90+ frames per second in order to see the benefit of a higher refresh rate. Unless I am misunderstanding you, I think that is what you are saying. I think this is conceptually wrong, but I am going to research it.
Maybe I should just post up links like you did..............that didn't even back up your own opinions? :biggrin: You see a lot of words, and the math adds up........but your own ignorance clouds your vision.
I am not so sure this is true. Don't blast me because I currently don't have a source to back this up, but I believe the refresh rate of a digital signal doesn't equate to the refresh rate of an analog. And if we were talking analog, I would agree with you. But I have seen too many people laud the greatness of the higher refresh rate's effect on games (digital at 120 or 144Hz), else we have a lot of gamers suffering a placebo effect (and I don't think we do).
It doesn't mean the frames per second generated by the video card must match the monitor's refresh rate in order to literally "see" the benefit, as is the case in an analog display. Therefore, there is no need for the video card to generate 90+ frames per second in order to see the benefit of a higher refresh rate. Unless I am misunderstanding you, I think that is what you are saying. I think this is conceptually wrong, but I am going to research it.
The only difference between a standard LCD and a CRT is the CRT flickers between refreshes. At least in terms of how frames are displayed.
There is no difference between Digital and Analog signals in terms of how the frames are displayed. Digital is just more accurate in reproducing the picture.
That said, even at 60 FPS, a 120hz monitor has advantages, unless you are using V-sync and the FPS are a lock solid 60 FPS. Without V-sync, tears stay on the screen half as long with 120hz, making them less noticeable. With V-sync and 120hz, instead of all frames jumping between 16ms and 33ms, you will also get 25ms frames, so it doesn't stutter as bad.
The CRT will refresh the screen line by line as the pixels stop glowing. When the pixels stop glowing, it goes black, which is why there is flickering and also why monitors have always head a constant refresh rate.CRT "draws" each frame line by line. An LCD just shuts off and turns on pixels. Am I wrong about that? Anybody here an expert on Monitors? I was pretty sure that was how it worked
IFor the price of those new GSYNC 1080p monitors @ 120/144Hz you can get a sexy 1440p panel and if you really want to you can get the OC'able 1440p IPS panels that can go 100Hz+ while possibly spending less money.
If you like to fix stuff immediately after buying go ahead but those cheap korean IPS screens have lot of issue the main one being light bleed....terrible light bleed. Go look on youtube. You have to fix it yourself they are unusable else. Plus dead pixels. You may get lucky but I rather pay more for proper warranty and a working product than a half-broken thing.