62*C/125*F normal for Athlon XP 1800+?

[winterlude]

Hi All,

I just upgraded with a new motherboard (ECS 75SA) and CPU (Athlon XP 1800+ [not thoroughbred])

The Celeron I had in there was running at around 30*C. The Althon is running at 62*C/125*F. I know they run hot, but is this temperature normal for an Athlon XP 1800+. I'm not overclocking, but I do need to do lots of video rendering which is CPU intensive and may last for days at a time. How much would thermal grease help?

Thanks in advance

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

You don't have any thermal grease? That's your problem right there. 60C is a bit high even for full load... make sure you get good stuff like AS3.

 

[Workin']

My XP2000+ has never run hotter than 60C using the retail AMD HSF and the thermal pad (not grease). And that's in a poorly ventilated case in a hot room, and after 100% CPU load for over 6 hours...

Seems like you need a better HSF or else the one you have is not properly installed.

 

[Czar]

I think mine maybe tops at around 60°c at full load, normaly somewhere little above 50°c and I'm using a very silent cooler that doesnt cool as well as most others.

 

[AdamDuritz99]

I have an xp1800 OCed to xp2000 running UD all the time and the max for it is 50C(avg 45C). It's in a hot room but well ventilated. You definantly need some Artic Silver or something. That really a good temperature to be running at all the time.

peace
sean

 

[winterlude]

I'm only using the thermal pad and the retail heatsink and fan that came with the processor. I've installed a program called CPUCool so that the CPU turns off when it idles, but the temperature doesn't go lower than 57*.

I am sure that the heatsink and fan are properly installed.

If I opt for the Arctic Silver 3, do I have to scrape of the thermal pad, or do I just put the grease on the CPU core itself?

Thanks

 

[DanFungus]

Originally posted by: AdamDuritz99
I have an xp1800 OCed to xp2000 running UD all the time and the max for it is 50C(avg 45C). It's in a hot room but well ventilated. You definantly need some Artic Silver or something. That really a good temperature to be running at all the time.

peace
sean

same here. Mine is an 1800 at 2000 averages at about 41, max maybe 46-47, always on, always 100% CPU usage, well ventilated here, but the room isn't that hot either, and I have AS3 as well.

 

[Mavrick007]

If you have the thermal pad on there and you want to put AS3 on, then you will have to take off the old stuff usually with alcohol or something other that is non abrasive. After that is done, then apply the AS3.

It sounds like there may be other concerns in the case though if you are using the retail hsf and are still getting those temps. You might want to put some case fans in and direct them for proper airflow (ie. front bottom intake and back top exhaust).

 

[winterlude]

Can rubbing alcohol damage the core at all?

One concern I had with the chip is that the copyright on it is 1999. I wonder if, because it was probably among the first stepping 1800+ XP's if it is less efficient than later 1800+ XP's?

 

[winterlude]

DanFungus,
Are you using a special cooling solution, or just the AS3 with the retail heatsink and fan?

 

[McCarthy]

Copyright is the same on them all, not sure if 1999 dates back to the Athlon name or what, regardless, your chip's not that old.

62C is a lot more than 125F. 125F would be 51C, 62C would be 143F.

So need to check on that. If it's only running 52C then end of discussion.

Even at 62C if you've worked it and it's stable, so be it.

Remember Athlon temps are measured by the motherboard, not in the CPU. Each motherboard brand/model reports a little different, even among a series there will be variances from one to another and sometimes a board that reads higher or lower than it's cousins. Which is why stability is always the final test (or is to my weird way of thinking)

What are your case temps?

--Mc

 

[Superman9534]

my 1700+ OC to 1.65 runs at about 60 C. but my case sucks cause the power supply blocks the CPU making it hotter. My new case should be a lot better. But mine is stable, its been up for 3 days at 100% and had no problems.

 

[winterlude]

The 125*F. I got from the Bios before booting. The 60*C I got from the program CPUCool after playing ten minutes of a game. According to CPUcool, my case temperature is 43*C... but I'm going from memmory--I'm not in front of that computer now.

I will trust the bios temperature more, and check it after the CPU's been running awhile.

My system is not 100% stable, but I just installed win98SE and have not yet downloaded the patches.

 

[clarkmo]

Your case temp is way too hot. Start there. Open a side panel or something. Install some fans. Oh, you must use thermal paste, even if it's radio shack. Gosh, I was worried my athlon (no xp) at 52c was a problem. Got that down to 44c peak load. My case temps do not exceed 30c. That's what you should aim for or lower, assuming you're not working in a sauna. Take 12 degrees off the case temp and you'll take 12 degrees off the cpu temp.

 

[McCarthy]

Before you go ripping the heatsink off the CPU (at which point you have to scrape the thermal pad off, clean the core, apply paste, and if the heatsink isn't real flat end up with nothing better and potentially worse than you had with the pad) go the case airflow route. Single 80 fan exhausting will do wonders for your temps, ideally close to the CPU itself to draw the air out right then and there.

Arctic silver is good stuff, not denying that. However the pad used there with the retail sink is good too, not as efficient, but works just great for hundreds of thousands of people around the world. We tend to get a little overboard with saying "get thee to an arctic silver syringe for your fix" being the junkies we are

Yup, case temp is very warm, bring that down and your CPU temp will follow. And still like I said earlier, if it's stable, great. If you increase airflow and get it cooler even better.

 

[lamga]

Well, yes, 62C is a bit on the high side, but don't worry too much, if everything is stable right now, then it's fine. If you are getting lots of weird crashes, especially when running CPU-intensive tasks like rendering, then yes, you can worry. But don't be afraid of frying your CPU, your computer will shut down long before that happens.

Thermal goop will bring the temperatures down a few degrees, but it's a pain to scrape that thermal pad off (use Goo-Off or acetone, works better than alcohol), and apply the razor-thin layer of grease to the CPU die, and if you don't do it right, you may just make things worse.

But yes, if you can, get yourself a couple case fans, one for the front and one for the back. They don't have to be very strong, even 7 volted Panaflo L1As will do fine. You should be able to get in the ~50C range that way.

P.S. From one former Torontonian to another.

 

[nortexoid]

that is rather high...

in a warm summer room, my 1800+ w/ stock HSF and thermal pad runs at 46 celcius under load...this is on an AOpen AK77-333 motherboard (via kt333) using the onboard hardware monitor (which i assume is socketed, not diode)...this is at defautl speed/voltage as well.

the case has a single 80mm thermaltake case fan - exhaust at the rear...and one PSU fan (single fan enermax PSU, exhausting)...no intake, no other exhaust fans...

thus, thermal grease isn't necessarily, well, that necessary....make sure u have at least a single exhaust fan in your case...don't worry about intake fans, as i've found them to be rather useless and noisy...otherwise reseat the HSF and apply some grease or buy a new HSF and use its pad or apply grease if u want to lower the temps...otherwise, 62 is certainly within tolerance.

 

[hinet]

Looks like the lack of thermal paste is your problem. My XP 1800+ is on full CPU load all the time too, and even now in the warm afternoon its reading 56C, but I have a different motherboard with a different sensor so it can't be compared directly.

 

[winterlude]

Thanks for all the input guys...

I checked out the AMD site and they claim that the XP should be fine as long as the temperature does not exceed 90C!

When I booted last night (after the computer had been off and sitting in an air conditioned room) the CPU temp was a comfortable 41C, and the case was 30C. I ran a thorough scan on the disk and left it alone for a couple of hours. When I got back, the system had crashed. I rebooted and the case temp was 39, and the CPU 61 and would not budge up or down. The scan crashed a couple more times in windows, but I finally got it done in DOS. I'm also having trouble with the system standby, but that may be the motherboard's fault.

I'll see what I can do about installing an exhaust fan ASAP. If that doesn't do the trick, I'll have to try the AS3 or even a Thermaltake Volcano 7+, which I had my eye on before, but decided not to get since I didn't intend to overclock the chip.

By the way, I did try rendering a home DV to VCD, and the final output was a black screen that wouldn't play. Lovely. Que Sera Sera.

Thanks

 

[AnMig]

"I just upgraded with a new motherboard (ECS 75SA) and CPU (Athlon XP 1800+ [not thoroughbred])"

you might want to check your powersupply, I assume you upgraded your mobo and cpu and kept your old case and power supply.
K7s5a is very picky about PSU I ran into problems with it when I upgraded a 750 duron to a 1600xp it was on a generic enlight case and 300watt psu.
I had reboots and freezes everytime I tried 133mhz.

i changed the psu to a generic 400w psu and all is well.
if you do have a good psu then just ignore this post. PSU is the first thing i would check if i where getting reboots and freezes on this board.

60c does sound high, my 1700 overclocked to 1800 sits at 43 idle and 53 to 55 dvd encoding to svcd. sytem temp is around 30 to 33

good luck

check this site out for all you K7s5a needs and questions link

 

[majewski9]

60 deg is pretty high, but no where near dangerous levels. Maybe youy dont have a strong enough fan or didnt put any thermal grease on your cpu!

 

[yaethom]

Anyone know how the temperature sensors on the mobos are calibrated? or even if they are?

Because I think a lot of discrepency arises from different mobos with different sensors, resulting in different temp. readings.

 

[MrMaster]

I had an XP 1600 overclocked to 1900 that was hovering around 62 and causing problems. I dropped the speed back to 1600 and had the same amount of heat. I took my panel of the side of my computer case last night and averaged around 52 under full load.

Guess my case kinda sucks.

 

[PlatinumGold]

that's weird. i have the same mb w/ the XP 1700+ and sandra reports my cpu temps at 27 C. weird thing is sandra reports my P3's in my Gateway 6400 at 72 C.

 

[Micronaut]

My 2000+ o/c to 2200+ (1667 -> 1800) runs 41°C idle and 47°C at full load. It locks up around 56°C (testing, etc..)

Using AS3, 60-80mm funnel, 80mm 50+CFM fan & copper heatsink.

EPoX 8K7A (AMD761 board)