62% of Voters think Putin Would Not Invade if Trump was President

[trungma]

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...y-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump

Are you kidding me? Trump spent the whole time setting up Putin to invade. Didn't realize that 62% of American Voters were that out of touch with reality.

I forgot to add that Trump would be sucking Putin's c**k while Russia was invading Ukraine.

 

[UNCjigga]

I think we’ve established that a majority of the people in this country are morons (not just conservatives or rural voters either) so nothing surprises me any more.

 

[vi edit]

If I was able to give a written follow up instead of a binary yes/no I'd say I could see myself voting it would have been less likely. But only because Trump would have granted Putin even more money/influence without loss of his own army/equipment in exchange for whatever benefits Trump instead of our country or Ukraine.

This is not a simple yes/no.

 

[fskimospy]

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...y-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump

Are you kidding me? Trump spent the whole time setting up Putin to invade. Didn't realize that 62% of American Voters were that out of touch with reality.

I forgot to add that Trump would be sucking Putin's c**k while Russia was invading Ukraine.

This is probably correct. Putin didn’t invade while Trump was president because Trump was already enacting Putin’s preferred policy.

 

[vi edit]

This is probably correct. Putin didn’t invade while Trump was president because Trump was already enacting Putin’s preferred policy.

There is not a monetary value you can affix to the shit talking and threats Trump did to NATO and withdrawing the US from NATO.

 

[UNCjigga]

Putin wouldn’t have needed to invade because Trump’s CIA under Kash Patel would’ve dealt with Zelinsky (for failing to find/fabricate the goods on Hunter Biden) and Putin would’ve already had a puppet government by now.

 

[raildogg]

Biden and Kamala's role is to destroy this country rapidly from within. Economically, militarily, socially and every other way, they are doing a fine job at it.

 

[Pohemi]

Biden and Kamala's role is to destroy this country rapidly from within. Economically, militarily, socially and every other way, they are doing a fine job at it.

Okay, clown.

 

[hal2kilo]

Okay, clown.

Are you finding something wrong with UNcigga's post or am I confused.

 

[UNCjigga]

Biden and Kamala's role is to destroy this country rapidly from within. Economically, militarily, socially and every other way, they are doing a fine job at it.

You’re not even American so why do you care?

Edit: Oops, you meant Russia? Well, Biden and Harris have been in power a little over a year now. Putin’s done a great job of running Russia into the ground all by himself for 20+ years.

 

[raildogg]

You’re not even American so why do you care?

Edit: Oops, you meant Russia? Well, Biden and Harris have been in power a little over a year now. Putin’s done a great job of running Russia into the ground all by himself for 20+ years.

Russia is more fiscally sound, energy independent and can sustain itself in case of conflict. It is finding more and more buyers of its products every single day. I cannot say the same for America right now. Trump set America on a downward path but Biden is leading them vertically straight down.

 

[brandonbull]

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...y-putin-wouldnt-have-invaded-ukraine-if-trump

Are you kidding me? Trump spent the whole time setting up Putin to invade. Didn't realize that 62% of American Voters were that out of touch with reality.

I forgot to add that Trump would be sucking Putin's c**k while Russia was invading Ukraine.

Instead of making moves under Putin's puppet, Putin waits until Biden is elected? That makes sense. Putin did his business during Obama and is doing the same again with Biden.

 

[UNCjigga]

Russia is more fiscally sound, energy independent and can sustain itself in case of conflict. It is finding more and more buyers of its products every single day. I cannot say the same for America right now. Trump set America on a downward path but Biden is leading them vertically straight down.

LOL, that’s why Russian oil is trading at a $10+ discount vs. OPEC and still doesn’t have buyers today.

Fiscally sound? For whom? Oligarchs with their hands in sovereign wealth cookie jar??

Energy independent?? How long will those reserves last??? Where’s the wind, solar and modern nuclear solution?

Zelenskyy is willing to die for his people. Can any Russian honestly say that Putin is willing to die for them?? LOL!! The one leader willing to die for Mother Russia is rotting away in a jail cell right now thanks to Putin.

 

[raildogg]

LOL, that’s why Russian oil is trading at a $10+ discount vs. OPEC and still doesn’t have buyers today.

Fiscally sound? For whom? Oligarchs with their hands in sovereign wealth cookie jar??

Energy independent?? How long will those reserves last??? Where’s the wind, solar and modern nuclear solution?

Zelenskyy is willing to die for his people. Can any Russian honestly say that Putin is willing to die for them?? LOL!! The one leader willing to die for Mother Russia is rotting away in a jail cell right now thanks to Putin.

Zelensky is a Western puppet former comedian who worked for a billionaire. What a hero.

Russia has vast amounts of resources, no one can deny this. They can sustain themselves, unlike America. Especially now due to the green leftists who are destroying America's energy supply. Wind energy? LOL, is that a joke? Wind will not work in many different climates, Texas snowstorm has shown this. America is a debter nation, Russia is not quite at that level. The dollar's future is questionable at best, especially with the reckless fed policies. The fed has basically pushed America so far to the edge that any more stimulus is like adding more water to an overflowing damn (or whatever analogy you prefer). But of course, the people will not see this. That is fine, I am only providing facts. Take it or leave it.

 

[trenchfoot]

It seems to me If Trump had been reelected, Putin's timetable and strategy for invading Ukraine would have him invading Ukraine in early/mid 2021. A big difference from the present though is that he and his fellow Oligarchs wouldn't have anywhere near the severity of sanctions being levied on them by the USA, NATO would be hamstrung by Trump's (Putin's) efforts to dismantle it thus rendering NATO so much weaker in its response to Putin's invasion and Trump would be so much the wealthier for the payoff he would get from Putin and Pals for having greased the skids toward the invasion that was, in Putin's mind, destined to happen no matter what.

I can see it now how Putin is going to be dividing the spoils he will reap from his invasion of Ukraine with his oligarch henchmen. Let's hope the sanctions being levied on them far outweigh the profits the Putin cabal will receive from the takeover.

 

[HurleyBird]

Tbh, he probably would have been less likely to invade, given that Trump is unpredictable at the best of times, and may overcompensate given the Russiagate narrative. Did anyone trust Trump with the nuclear football? Crazy and powerful is the best deterrent. Still, I'd peg it as >50%, assuming Afghanistan played out similarly under Trump.

He'd be even less likely to invade with a "strong" hardliner as president. As much as Kamala Harris is generally unlikeable, I don't think Putin would want to start anything with her as pres. He probably pegs her as a sociopath who would use a conflict with Russia as a vehicle for re-election. Clinton to a significantly lesser extent too.

People on this forum may disagree on whether Biden is a weak president, but Putin almost surely sees him that way. Strongmen respect each other and scoff at the genteel, and vice-versa. In terms of the presence of a leader acting as a deterrent to Russian aggression, it's hard to think of a worse person than Biden.... maybe Bernie or Ron Paul.

 

[Pohemi]

That is fine, I am only providing facts. Take it or leave it.

No you aren't, clown.

 

[pmv]

I don't really understand why Putin has "gone for it" now, particularly. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Anyone not a fully paid-up member of the Trump cult surely can see that, if anything, Biden had a much greater probability of producing a coherent response (certainly, of bringing allies with him) than Trump would have done. The opinion poll results even now apparently show more Democrats favouring a military reaction than Republicans (though personally I'm slightly relieved that it's a minority of both groups - talk here about the RAF "providing air support" for the Ukrainians makes me nervous as to where that could lead).

I mean, maybe, one could stretch to the possibility that Trump's irrational unpredictability might have been a kind of deterrence in itself. The 'madman theory' of deterrence. Or maybe it's just that with Trump in charge of the US Putin felt he was winning anyway so could bide his time? Now he's suddenly in a hurry (to go where, though? to accomplishy what, exactly?)

But honestly I did not expect Putin's military posturing to come to anything. It's fortunate I'm not in charge of anything, because I got this one 100% wrong - I really was sure it would all blow over after a bit of (Cossack) sabre-rattling. I do not understand why Putin has done this, particularly right at this moment.

It seems quite mad on Putin's part (their track record in Afghanistan and Chechnya surely can't inspire confidence on the Russian side?). So that 'madman theory' feels like it now applies the other way. I'm worried he's become irrational. I mean a lot of leaders, even in functioning democracies, go a bit peculiar after being in power too long. It was bad enough having Trump in control of a nuclear arsenal, but at least the US had some semblance of democracy and 'checks and balances'.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Now . . . pay attention.

Putin's timetable for invading Ukraine hasn't anything to do with who occupies the White House, but for one factor. Putin wouldn't want to make Trump look bad. Trump was the best thing that ever happened for Putin, who seeks ascendancy for a new Russia and chaotic decline for America.

The issues propelling Putin include more of Ukrainian political developments or a NATO that has been resurrected from the tatters in which Trump left it.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Zelensky is a Western puppet former comedian who worked for a billionaire. What a hero.

Russia has vast amounts of resources, no one can deny this. They can sustain themselves, unlike America. Especially now due to the green leftists who are destroying America's energy supply. Wind energy? LOL, is that a joke? Wind will not work in many different climates, Texas snowstorm has shown this. America is a debter nation, Russia is not quite at that level. The dollar's future is questionable at best, especially with the reckless fed policies. The fed has basically pushed America so far to the edge that any more stimulus is like adding more water to an overflowing damn (or whatever analogy you prefer). But of course, the people will not see this. That is fine, I am only providing facts. Take it or leave it.

You believe that the wind turbines froze. HHHHAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[NWRMidnight]

Biden and Kamala's role is to destroy this country rapidly from within. Economically, militarily, socially and every other way, they are doing a fine job at it.

Instead of making moves under Putin's puppet, Putin waits until Biden is elected? That makes sense. Putin did his business during Obama and is doing the same again with Biden.

The amount of stupidly that comes from idiots like yourselves, pounding on their keyboards, is just mind boggling. Why do that and display to the world just how fucking stupid you are? Are you guys that insecure, that you need the attention? There is professional help you can seek for that.

 

[nickqt]

The amount of stupidly that comes from idiots like yourself, pounding on their keyboards, is just mind boggling. Why do that and display to the world just how fucking stupid you are? Are you that insecure that you need the attention? There is professional help you can seek for that.

The best part about having Dunning-Krugers is that you'll never know that you have Dunning-Krugers.

Change my mind.

 

[sportage]

Oh come-on....
We all know that if Trump were president, Trump would have enabled Putin to do exactly what Putin is doing today. Add to that, Trump demoralizing and minimizing NATO to help Putin even more.

BILL MAHER, on his show this week had an interesting obversation on WHY republicans are sooooo Putin loving. RACE!!!!
Yes, Russia is one country that does not tollerate minorities. And.... it is said by many republicans that Russia "is the last protector" of THE WHITE RACE.

So right there we have the answer. With Trump, with republicans, AND with Fox News it comes down to the non-white people vs white people. For republicans like Trump, Putin is the hero of the white man. And there you are.... Now you know why.

 

[brandonbull]

The best part about having Dunning-Krugers is that you'll never know that you have Dunning-Krugers.

Change my mind.

Which part don't you get? Dunning or Krugers? Change your mind? You should be happy that Putin is sending in Russian troops to punch some Ukrainian Nazis.

 

[brandonbull]

Oh come-on....
We all know that if Trump were president, Trump would have enabled Putin to do exactly what Putin is doing today. Add to that, Trump demoralizing and minimizing NATO to help Putin even more.

BILL MAHER, on his show this week had an interesting obversation on WHY republicans are sooooo Putin loving. RACE!!!!
Yes, Russia is one country that does not tollerate minorities. And.... it is said by many republicans that Russia "is the last protector" of THE WHITE RACE.

So right there we have the answer. With Trump, with republicans, AND with Fox News it comes down to the non-white people vs white people. For republicans like Trump, Putin is the hero of the white man. And there you are.... Now you know why.

It must be nice to so easily type some of the dumbest and nonsensical bs. Review Putin's track record under Obama, Biden, and Trump. Trump was pushing other countries to up their financial contributions to NATO, and he tried to prevent the gas pipeline to Germany.