I've heard around 19,000, but that doesn't matter, because the number not approved is extremely low (i.e. you don't run out of fingers counting them).
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: Jadow
I 100% support what the pres is doing in this regard.
A known and legally wiretapped al queda agend in Saudi Arabia calls a mystery number in NY. 1 minute later the number he called in NY makes a call to a number in Seattle. According to some interpretations of the current rules, the feds can not wiretap the call from NY to Seattle because it is a domestic call without a warrant. Some warrants have taken over 3 MONTHS to get!
A little late after Safeco field is in flames and 70,000 people are dead.
But it can be bypassed and then obtain one within 72 hours. But then the courts won't give one to you because of some stupid technicality and by law you must let the terrorists go free.
This is a preposterous assertion. The figures provided by the Justice department indicate that out of something like 28,000 applications for warrants over the entire history of the FISA court, exactly FIVE have been denied.
Good thing, too. With his feet in his mouth so often, Bush would be in trouble if he had to use his toes, too.Originally posted by: Strk
I've heard around 19,000, but that doesn't matter, because the number not approved is extremely low (i.e. you don't run out of fingers counting them).
Yeah. Faulty memory on my part. Here are the complete statistics through 2004:Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
But it can be bypassed and then obtain one within 72 hours. But then the courts won't give one to you because of some stupid technicality and by law you must let the terrorists go free.
This is a preposterous assertion. The figures provided by the Justice department indicate that out of something like 28,000 applications for warrants over the entire history of the FISA court, exactly FIVE have been denied.
I've heard around 19,000, but that doesn't matter, because the number not approved is extremely low (i.e. you don't run out of fingers counting them).
Yeah. Faulty memory on my part. Here are the complete statistics through 2004:Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Strk
This is a preposterous assertion. The figures provided by the Justice department indicate that out of something like 28,000 applications for warrants over the entire history of the FISA court, exactly FIVE have been denied.
I've heard around 19,000, but that doesn't matter, because the number not approved is extremely low (i.e. you don't run out of fingers counting them).
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yeah. Faulty memory on my part. Here are the complete statistics through 2004:Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Strk
This is a preposterous assertion. The figures provided by the Justice department indicate that out of something like 28,000 applications for warrants over the entire history of the FISA court, exactly FIVE have been denied.
I've heard around 19,000, but that doesn't matter, because the number not approved is extremely low (i.e. you don't run out of fingers counting them).
FISA warrant statistics, 1979 through 2004
It's 72 hours, and with all due respect, this has been discussed repeatedly in this and other NSA-related threads. It's one of the key reasons Bush's lame excuse for breaking the law and circumventing FISA holds absolutely no water.Originally posted by: TallBill
I just learned more about the FISA courts last night. From my understanding, they can tap a line, and then apply for a warrant after the fact within 48 hours. Is this correct or just made up?
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's 72 hours, and with all due respect, this has been discussed repeatedly in this and other NSA-related threads. It's one of the key reasons Bush's lame excuse for breaking the law and circumventing FISA holds absolutely no water.Originally posted by: TallBill
I just learned more about the FISA courts last night. From my understanding, they can tap a line, and then apply for a warrant after the fact within 48 hours. Is this correct or just made up?
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
So, can you see how the "we have to move fast" argument doesn't work?
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
So, can you see how the "we have to move fast" argument doesn't work?
Yes, I'd agree with you there. I'd be curious as to how many FISA rulings happen before a tap, and how many happen in that 72 hour window.
Originally posted by: zendari
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Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans say they are following the NSA story somewhat or very closely.
Just 26% believe President Bush is the first to authorize a program like the one currently in the news. Forty-eight percent (48%) say he is not while 26% are not sure.
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Even 51% of Democrats believe in this. I guess this really shows how out of the mainstream some individuals are.
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Okay, to put things more broad, the executive branch has the sole power of war and of command of the military. We are using the military (war or not) to fight terrorists. Fighting terrorists involves gathering information, spying, etc. Terrorist activity and information from Al-Qaeda are making their way into the United States.
Originally posted by: MicroChrome
Yeah...
I'm surprised that most people who support bush HIDE behind a handle on this forum. Who are you hiding from? Face it we gave up a ton of freedems since 911 and bush is taking that to an extreme. You haven't seen nothing yet. Just wait till the new administration gets in and starts to uncover the real Sh!t that has been going down.
They are watching. Be afraid.... Be very afaird.
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
man, it's a very sad day when some americans will toss their "basic" rights out the window to rationalize this idiot's actions!
it's like having a toddler or retard running our country! everytime he does or says something insane, 50 million rational adults run to his aide with any and every reason under the sun why what he's done "this time" is okay.
i for one have grown tired of the "since 9/11 things are different" line myself. this man has, once again, showed us that he could give a d@mn about this democracy that he is shoving down the throats of millions of iraquiis!
he was above democracy when he took this country to war and he has just showed us that he could give a damn about what we the people think or believe and used the very process in which he obtained his so-called authority to make this decision to p!ss on every one of our basic rights.
hmmm... there was a time when republicans thought the govenment was too big, had to much power, and were for less government in general. how do you go from that to supporting wire taps on your Sunday conversations? because you have nothing to hide?
nah... you'll have to do better than that :roll:
surely, after all of the mess with the patriot act he knew that this is something americans just don't agree with... but he could really care less!
David Gregory of NBC was the reporter.MR. McCLELLAN: I think that, clearly, the American people strongly support the efforts that we're undertaking to save their lives.
Q But you don't know that, and I'm not asserting whether that's the case or not.
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think there actually was a poll last week that showed more than the 60 percent of the American people support --
Q Oh, now you embrace polls. Okay, I'll tell -- I'll note that for the record. (Laughter.)
MR. McCLELLAN: -- more than 60 percent of the American people support --
Q You may be right, but --
MR. McCLELLAN: Let me just finish, and then I'll come to you -- support the actions that the President is taking to prevent attacks from happening in the first place. That's what this President is committed to doing. This is about saving lives. We face a dangerous and determined enemy, an enemy that wants to inflict even greater damage than they did on September 11th here at home. And we've got to use every lawful tool at our disposal to help save lives. Now, the President --