$646 Billion Defense Bill

Narmer

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Something is seriously wrong here and I don't remember any noise being made about this. Where is all this money going? I feel like this country is wounded and we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification. Who's guarding the hen-house? Where's the outrage?

As for the bolded part, why on God's green earth are we including 142 billion dollars for Iraq and Afghanistan when we already have a separate bill on that war? None of this makes any sense.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,136237,00.html

WASHINGTON - The House passed a $646 billion defense bill Thursday that supports the Pentagon's ambitious weapons acquisition program but would place new restrictions on foreign-made technology the military could buy.

The legislation, approved 397-27, has drawn a veto threat from the White House because of its "Buy American" provisions. The measure covers defense spending for the budget year that begins Oct. 1.

In recent years, the Defense Department and Congress have locked horns over this issue. Lawmakers want to protect suppliers in their districts; the Bush administration typically has sided with industry in opposing tough new restrictions.

In a statement, the White House said the House bill would "jeopardize our military readiness when our objective should be to enhance our ability to get the best capability for the warfighter at the best value for the taxpayer."

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The White House also threatened a veto over proposed changes to the Pentagon's personnel policies. The legislation would restore collective bargaining rights and access to an appeals process for certain employees.

Rep. Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said the veto threat was a disappointment, but noted the large majority backing the legislation.

"This is a strong bill that addresses our military's critical readiness needs, supports our troops in the field and at home and protects the American people," said Skelton, D-Mo.

The Senate Armed Services Committee is expected to complete its version of the legislation next week.

Overall, the House bill authorizes more than $100 billion in military procurement. That includes money to buy new protective vehicles and body armor for troops, and an additional $142 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Despite the administration's opposition to certain parts of the bill, the legislation was an unusual display of bipartisanship in a Congress sharply divided on the Iraq war. The bill does not call for troop withdrawals, as many Democrats want, and was supported overwhelmingly by Republicans.

Skelton worked to keep the Iraq debate out of the bill to ensure the legislation's survival.

Bush this month vetoed the 2007 war spending bill because it included a deadline for troop withdrawals from Iraq.

Despite their general support for the bill, Republicans fiercely opposed a $764 million reduction in the Pentagon's $8.9 billion request for ballistic missile defense. A proposal by Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., to restore the money failed.

Republicans were successful in adding money for missile defense programs when they tied the money to Israel. The House voted to increase the president's request by $205 million for U.S.-Israeli anti-missile programs.

The House also agreed to an amendment by Rep. James Moran, D-Va., aimed at pressuring the administration on its handling of military detainees at Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba. The measure, approved by a 220-208 vote, calls for a plan to free prisoners slated for release by the end of the year.

The White House said it would veto any bill that prevents the detention of enemy combatants, but has not stated a position on Moran's amendment.

On Wednesday, the House adopted amendments intended to ease the stress of combat on troops and their families.

One measure would require that the Pentagon fly home the remains of Soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan to the airport that is closest to their families. A second would prevent deployed troops from permanently losing custody of their children.

Democrats were unsuccessful in adding amendments to prevent a military strike in Iran and to require the videotaping of military interrogations. The Iran measure failed after several members said they feared it would leave Israel vulnerable.

 

ProfJohn

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we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?

Do you differentiate between parasites? Coroporate welfare is better than social welfare?
 

senseamp

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We should just outsource Iraq to the Chinese Army. Probably can do it for 10% of the price.
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: senseamp
We should just outsource Iraq to the Chinese Army. Probably can do it for 10% of the price.

Why would they want to do that considering that it makes a lot of money for all the defense contractors?
 

Narmer

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
ok, Im not quite clear as to what exactly you are objecting to here...?

Do we need three quarters of a trillion dollars for national defense? Do we need all that money to fight terrorists? Something is seriously wrong here.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ok, Im not quite clear as to what exactly you are objecting to here...?

Do we need three quarters of a trillion dollars for national defense? Do we need all that money to fight terrorists? Something is seriously wrong here.

According to him and the Bush lovers we do.

Muslims are out to get us.
 

1prophet

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The legislation, approved 397-27, has drawn a veto threat from the White House because of its "Buy American" provisions. The measure covers defense spending for the budget year that begins Oct. 1.

In recent years, the Defense Department and Congress have locked horns over this issue. Lawmakers want to protect suppliers in their districts; the Bush administration typically has sided with industry in opposing tough new restrictions.


If the Senate margins are the same vote wise the bill would be veto proof, and if the President vetos it he could be overidden and look bad if it's because of the "Buy American" provisions.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Is there something wrong with requiring the US government to "Buy American"? Seems to me, like EVERYTHING the US government buys SHOULD be "Made in America"..
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?

The crapiness of that excuse really is hard to surpass. It's right up there with "but X did it first!"
 

HombrePequeno

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?

So you're saying two wrongs make a right?

Nice third grade logic you have there.
 

BoomerD

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How about because working-class (and those who CAN'T work) benefit from the social programs, whereas only the rich are benefitting from the Bush-War...(yeah, I know, many US defense contractors employ US citizens to build their WMD's) but overall, it's the owners/stockholders of those defense companies who are getting rich...NOT the workers...
I'd MUCH rather see my tax dollars go to social programs than be pissed away in Iraq, blowing up sh*t and killing people who are not a threat to the USA...
 

trenchfoot

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
How about because working-class (and those who CAN'T work) benefit from the social programs, whereas only the rich are benefitting from the Bush-War...(yeah, I know, many US defense contractors employ US citizens to build their WMD's) but overall, it's the owners/stockholders of those defense companies who are getting rich...NOT the workers...
I'd MUCH rather see my tax dollars go to social programs than be pissed away in Iraq, blowing up sh*t and killing people who are not a threat to the USA...
i wholeheartedly agree, especially from the point of view that as far as the current adiminstration is concerned, all political decisions gets made with special consideration toward corporate interests.

 

skwicz212

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?
When you have condition that is unbearable for the citizenary, they will eventaully rebel. So, keep making life worse for them and see what happens.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ok, Im not quite clear as to what exactly you are objecting to here...?

Do we need three quarters of a trillion dollars for national defense? Do we need all that money to fight terrorists? Something is seriously wrong here.

According to him and the Bush lovers we do.

Muslims are out to get us.
You know damn well that I don't think that, and I'm getting tired of having to explain my point of view to you. But hey, if that's how you wish to make your case, here's a
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?

Maybe because it actually HELPS PEOPLE in OUR OWN COUNTRY?
 

trenchfoot

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
we have parasites liberally consuming at her for their own gratification
Was that in reference to amount of money we spend on social programs in this country?
We spend at least twice as much on social programs as we do on defense.

Why aren?t you outraged at that?

Maybe because it actually HELPS PEOPLE in OUR OWN COUNTRY?

the point being, there is much more corporate profit to be found in fat under-budgeted but outrageously over-spent defense contracts than in caring for our needy and destitute.

 

BoomerD

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BTW, how is the billions of $$$ pissed away in Iraq considered part of the DEFENSE budget? Shouldn't that be the OFFENSE budget? It's wure OFFENSIVE to me to have Halliburton losing billions of MY (and your) tax dollars and NOT having to be accountable for their waste...
Besides, attacking a country that hasn't attacked us first isn't DEFENSE, it's OFFENSE...
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
BTW, how is the billions of $$$ pissed away in Iraq considered part of the DEFENSE budget? Shouldn't that be the OFFENSE budget? It's wure OFFENSIVE to me to have Halliburton losing billions of MY (and your) tax dollars and NOT having to be accountable for their waste...
Besides, attacking a country that hasn't attacked us first isn't DEFENSE, it's OFFENSE...
the caps stuff really isn't working.. perhaps you could make us understand if you use X's and O's...

oh, and here's a ball for ya:
 

tomywishbone

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$646 billion :laugh: What a lie. What a disgrace. What a land of sheeple, we have become. Hang out wth me, I'll get your back for free. Don't make me recruit George Carlin!
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: BoomerD
BTW, how is the billions of $$$ pissed away in Iraq considered part of the DEFENSE budget? Shouldn't that be the OFFENSE budget? It's wure OFFENSIVE to me to have Halliburton losing billions of MY (and your) tax dollars and NOT having to be accountable for their waste...
Besides, attacking a country that hasn't attacked us first isn't DEFENSE, it's OFFENSE...
the caps stuff really isn't working.. perhaps you could make us understand if you use X's and O's...

oh, and here's a ball for ya:

Wow...you're sure being awful generous with the cookies...are they part of the defense appropriation too?
 

Turkish

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Its hard to resist laughing how America screwed up in Iraq after having an insane budget like that. It'd actually put a big ass grin on my face, but unfortunately many innocent Iraqis and US troops (who did not believe in this war but had to participate in it for legal and financial reasons) had died in that mess, so I will say no more.
 

Jeff7

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<Comic store guy>
Most profitable war EVER!
</Comic store guy>


*Offer void for most citizens of US, and is only valid in Washington DC.
 
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