And yet, where is that massive ADL-S /w fast DDR5 advantage you were talking about?Well it's a good CPU, but not something that can claim to be the best gaming CPU.
Thats absolutely an example of a latency bottleneck. Comet lake actually topping the chart is the devil in the detailsIs there something weird going on with TPU gaming numbers where on 1440 and 4K the older 1090k AND 12400K are often at the top of the chart? GPU Bottle Neck?
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Did he say it would have a massive advantage? He just said it would be faster than 5800X3D with fast DDR4, which appears to be true in most cases.And yet, where is that massive ADL-S /w fast DDR5 advantage you were talking about?
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It's basically a tie with the 12900K. The biggest gain is in Borderlands 3, and there is a regression in CS:GO (as expected).
Well it's a good CPU, but not something that can claim to be the best gaming CPU.
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The graphs in this page are really nice!
Excellent way to show the performance comparison.
Did he say it would have a massive advantage? He just said it would be faster than 5800X3D with fast DDR4, which appears to be true in most cases.
3600 Mhz is fast now? I mean the 12900KS are using 6000 Mhz, might as well get 4000 Mhz for AMD right?Did he say it would have a massive advantage? He just said it would be faster than 5800X3D with fast DDR4, which appears to be true in most cases.
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It's basically a tie with the 12900K. The biggest gain is in Borderlands 3, and there is a regression in CS:GO (as expected).
Well it's a good CPU, but not something that can claim to be the best gaming CPU.
He said the 12900KS would be faster than 5800X3D with the exception of edge cases like SCII. Then he proceeded to make a point by show what we can probably consider an outlier by now: a CP2077 benchmark where ADL-S was up to 50% faster.Did he say it would have a massive advantage? He just said it would be faster than 5800X3D with fast DDR4, which appears to be true in most cases.
Their YouTube channel is Hardware Unboxed. For pure performance data I think it's the best of the hardware youtube channels, although it is a bit dry at times.
Their YouTube channel is Hardware Unboxed. For pure performance data I think it's the best of the hardware youtube channels, although it is a bit dry at times.
Not really, actually they are trying to hide it. Because they are not taking into account the MB and 6000 Mhz RAM. He even acknowledges it by saying that AM4 MB that can accept this CPU(5800X3D) are just $40... So disingenuous on TPU partI think that's the point TPU is trying to make. That Intel needs twice the expense to match AMD gaming performance with 5800X3D.
As I have said before, if you want the fastest Gaming CPU at a reasonably price (when Mobo + Memory are factored in) , 5800X3D is the one to get.
From TPU conclusion:3600 Mhz is fast now? I mean the 12900KS are using 6000 Mhz, might as well get 4000 Mhz for AMD right?
I also wanted to get you a run with DDR4-4000 CL16, but that was a no-go as the FCLK maxes out at 1867 MHz, which might already have some silent WHEA errors, so our default 1800 MHz FCLK, 1:1 with 3600 MHz memory is pretty much the best you can do unless you win the silicon lottery. Tightening the memory timings a bit further from DDR4-3600 CL16 1T to CL14 could be an option to eke out a bit more performance, but it won't be a night and day difference.
DDR4 4000 is not stable for the vast majority of Ryzen CPUs in 1:1 mode. You could eke out a bit more performance for that CPU, sure, but the same is true for ADL (if not more) from what I know. The pricing gap is irrelevant if the topic at hand is about what CPU is faster under their best conditions. I didn't read nor care about TPU's conclusions concerning pricing/value, so I don't know if they made unfair comparisons.Really if they want to use that DDR5 then fine but they should also use DDR4 4000/3800 C14 for the AMD rigs. Alternatively they should show the scores for more affordable ram on the ADL system to close the huge pricing gap.
Fair enough.He said the 12900KS would be faster than 5800X3D with the exception of edge cases like SCII. Then he proceeded to make a point by show what we can probably consider an outlier by now: a CP2077 benchmark where ADL-S was up to 50% faster.
The argument was meant to be disarming, that's why I'm asking the question now, after getting proper DDR5 benchmarks in a variety of games. (including CP2077, obviously a different run than the one presented in the other video).
The Bios he is using is without the 3D V-Cache Optimizer Driver and unoptimized AGESA 1.2.0.6cHmm...
No they are in line with historic TPU trends which typically overestimate Intel/nvidia over whatever amd has out. I recall when Vermeer was out, 5900X was typically trailing 10700k at 1080/1440p when the rest of reviewers had them reversed.Is there something weird going on with TPU gaming numbers where on 1440 and 4K the older 1090k AND 12400K are often at the top of the chart? GPU Bottle Neck?
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Good point. No one's measured the impact of that driver yet.The Bios he is using is without the 3D V-Cache Optimizer Driver and unoptimized AGESA 1.2.0.6c
Please let's not Ignore the GPU.
If buying a 5800X3D would allow you to buy a 3080 Ti or 6900XT over a 3090 Ti, that is a game-changer right there.
Then why not a R5-5600 or i5-12400?
That will allow you to spend hundreds more on the GPU, that seems the real answer to optimizing gaming performance, until you are basically running out of GPU steps to climb.