Info 64MB V-Cache on 5XXX Zen3 Average +15% in Games

[Kedas]

Well we know now how they will bridge the long wait to Zen4 on AM5 Q4 2022.
Production start for V-cache is end this year so too early for Zen4 so this is certainly coming to AM4.
+15% Lisa said is "like an entire architectural generation"

 

[igor_kavinski]

Assuming that Intel is solving with ease the challenges TSMC is having - or is able to, with ease, leapfrog TSMC to GAA.

While it is within realm of possibilities, I think it is unlikely.

Isn't it possible that the way TSMC is trying to go beyond 3nm is just harder than what Intel has already researched to be feasible and achievable?

TSMC To Fall Behind Both Intel, Samsung By 2024 (NYSE:TSM) | Seeking Alpha

Intel took longer but they did manage to create 10ESF in a unique and innovative way. I'm still not sure what hampered the creativity of Intel engineers during Intel's process manufacturing dry spell but it could have been related to the exodus of engineers during Sohail's reign as TMG head.

 

[coercitiv]

Isn't it possible that the way TSMC is trying to go beyond 3nm is just harder than what Intel has already researched to be feasible and achievable?

Friendly reminder that Intel's node development woes are not over just because they're talking about an aggressive schedule. The node they currently refer to as "Intel 4" is 12 months late relative to their own internal target, and 6 months late to the market. Granite Rapids was initially spotted in their roadmaps as a 2022 product, later made public as a 2023 product on Intel 4, now slated for 2024 on Intel 3.

And that's just the next node, the one after that is deeper in the fog. It may be doing better, it may be doing worse, there's no way of telling because Intel is on a mission of selling the entire world their vision of bringing balance the the semiconductor world. First hey need to get the money, then we get the truth about their real progress (which may as well be on track).

 

[igor_kavinski]

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They are moving pretty quickly if these rumors are true. Makes me pretty optimistic that they will hit or even surpass their targets.

 

[deasd]

Additional 8 E-cores would adds 33% MT performance. So... seems nothing special of what MLID said. '40%' is taking few IPC/clocks uplift inside P-cores into account.

edit: wait what, this is Zen3D thread right?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Shrouded in obscurity the future of AMD/Intel/TSMC.
Intertwined their fates are.
See much confusion, not enough clarity.
Shadows of doubt and fogs of haziness, I envision.
Drink some coffee, I must!

 

[Doug S]

Isn't it possible that the way TSMC is trying to go beyond 3nm is just harder than what Intel has already researched to be feasible and achievable?

Everyone is doing GAA as the post FinFET step. They aren't doing it all in exactly the same way, of course, but they are following the same path. Intel "researched" 10nm to be feasible and achievable, but it was not. TSMC also researched N2 to be feasible and achievable, as with Intel having something work in the labs isn't the same as having it work for 100k wpm mass production so there are no guarantees for either of them.

You are being blinded by Intel's rosy roadmaps and showing off an advanced wafer. Have you forgotten the lessons of their 10nm failure so soon? The execs want their underwater stock options to recover, of course they are telling everyone that everything is great. Up until the last possible moment when they are forced by SEC regulations to admit it isn't, if they fail to meet their very optimistic roadmap.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Surely Intel executives won't make the same mistake twice, right? RIGHT???

 

[coercitiv]

Surely Intel executives won't make the same mistake twice, right? RIGHT???

Find what happens next in... the Intel thread.

 

[maddie]

Surely Intel executives won't make the same mistake twice, right? RIGHT???

Mistake?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Mistake?

Whatever it was, that led to the 10nm delays. I'm guessing they will think twice before repeating that, lest they get stuck for another 2 years with poor yields.

 

[nicalandia]

Would this 20% also be applied to the 5800X3D?

AMD Milan-X EPYC 7003X CPUs Are About 20% More Expensive Than Standard Milan Chips While Offering 3x More Cache

AMD unveiled its 3rd Gen EPYC 7003X Milan-X CPUs back in November and are now shipping to data center customers around the world.

wccftech.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

Would this 20% also be applied to the 5800X3D?

I'm skeptical that it will be widely available. Whatever limited quantities they are able to muster will be picked up by scalpers by the truckload. My guess is that it will end up being more expensive than the 12900KS, thanks mainly to scalpers.

 

[Asterox]

Would this 20% also be applied to the 5800X3D?

AMD Milan-X EPYC 7003X CPUs Are About 20% More Expensive Than Standard Milan Chips While Offering 3x More Cache

AMD unveiled its 3rd Gen EPYC 7003X Milan-X CPUs back in November and are now shipping to data center customers around the world.

wccftech.com

Yes, but that is expected it is more expensive CPU product.

As Ian said, "9600$ it is preety cheep for 64/128 CPU with 768mb L3 Cache".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497172488387801091

Five years ago, such server CPU product fell under the mission impossible.

 

[MadRat]

Would it benefit AMD to have a celery version of their X3D release? Maybe a Ryzen 7 5600X3D or Ryzen 5 5600X3D, with half the V cache, would fit the naming scheme.

AMD needs a less complicated naming scheme in the future. The naming convention by AMD that led to Zen 3 Ryzen 7 5800X3D is just awkward at this point.

 

[Asterox]

As expected, or in accordance with AMD CES announcements for R7 5800X3D support on 400 and 500 motherboards.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497975512190578689

 

[Makaveli]

Gigabyte abit slower than Asus this beta was released for my board on Feb 9th.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Would it benefit AMD to have a celery version of their X3D release?

Probably not. They'd have to cripple good dice to sell such a product. Yields on N7 at this point are phenomenal.

 

[RnR_au]

Soon!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498589940900237316

 

[eek2121]

Would it benefit AMD to have a celery version of their X3D release? Maybe a Ryzen 7 5600X3D or Ryzen 5 5600X3D, with half the V cache, would fit the naming scheme.

AMD needs a less complicated naming scheme in the future. The naming convention by AMD that led to Zen 3 Ryzen 7 5800X3D is just awkward at this point.

Uh, have you seen Intel’s naming scheme?

 

[jpiniero]

AMD EPYC Milan-X, Threadripper PRO 5000 and Ryzen 7 5800X3D could all launch in March - VideoCardz.com

New AMD EPYC, Ryzen and Threadripper CPUs launching in March AMD preparing an onslaught of CPU launches in March. We have been told about the upcoming launches of AMD Ryzen and EPYC products in March. According to the information, the first product series to launch are AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO...

videocardz.com

Videocardz seems to think the release will be either on the 14th or the 21st. Also says Zen 3 TR Pro and Milan-X will launch soon.

 

[Saylick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498699871372541952

Great news, if true. I thought $399 USD would be a great price already.

 

[Ranulf]

At this point given prices on the i7's they'd want to keep the new chip at $350-400 tops.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm interested in knowing how many people here are holding out on an upgrade due to waiting for the 5800X3D. Please raise your hands.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I'm interested in knowing how many people here are holding out on an upgrade due to waiting for the 5800X3D. Please raise your hands.

I almost jumped on a 12900K then news of the 5800X3D came out that it would be releasing in March. I was assuming it was late 2H. the 5800X is fast enough for what I do but I have low level tech addictions so I'll probably jump on one. I'm predicting I'll have buyers remorse when AM5 hits, haha

 

[igor_kavinski]

the 5800X is fast enough for what I do but I have low level tech addictions so I'll probably jump on one. I'm predicting I'll have buyers remorse when AM5 hits, haha

If you want 64GB RAM or more at a good price, the 5800X3D should be good for you for at least 3 years or so before you feel the need to upgrade, assuming the V-cache is useful in your workloads. Otherwise, better to wait for AM5.