6700K or 5820K?

[Nhirlathothep]

I find it extremely hard to believe people like you actually exist. Aside from your terrible sentence structure, your posts are insulting and without merit.

People don't need to own a specific CPU to know it isn't for them. That's why they didn't buy it in the first place. Posters on anandtech are pretty well I formed by and large. They research products that fit their needs and for most, a 6 or 8 core CPU doesn't fit their needs for the price demand. You don't have to be rich it just has to fit your needs.

no, if u never used a 6/8 core cpu u re not informed.

it s not an insult at all, u re ignorant about it. (6core processors)


So better remove you the ability to vote on the pool, for a more reliable information


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ps: how can u think, using your i5 (4core without HT ) to know how a 6core/12thread cpu works ? because you read some benchmarks ? instead if u used/tested it you can.


i never used/tested a Rolls Royce or a Bentley, so i can t give advices about em, i know it, it s not an insult, i m ignorant about those supercars

 

[zerolus]

i never used/tested a Rolls Royce or a Bentley, so i can t give advices about em, i know it, it s not an insult, i m ignorant about those supercars

I've never driven a Rolls Royce or a Bentley either but I can tell you that they're overpriced if you're just looking for a commuter car.

 

[aigomorla]

I find it extremely hard to believe people like you actually exist. Aside from your terrible sentence structure, your posts are insulting and without merit.

People don't need to own a specific CPU to know it isn't for them. That's why they didn't buy it in the first place. Posters on anandtech are pretty well I formed by and large. They research products that fit their needs and for most, a 6 or 8 core CPU doesn't fit their needs for the price demand. You don't have to be rich it just has to fit your needs.

It's pretty simple, if you don't do rendering and photo/video work then you are probably wasting that 6core CPU.

actually i sort of understand his possition.

a 5960X buyer will not be looking at the 4790K or a 6700K as their main machine if they can afford a 5960X.

5960X users are not minimalists. There is no such word as "for your exact needs" when 90% of the people who buy 5960X ends up buying them.

ps: how can u think, using your i5 (4core without HT ) to know how a 6core/12thread cpu works ? because you read some benchmarks ? instead if u used/tested it you can.

i never used/tested a Rolls Royce or a Bentley, so i can t give advices about em, i know it, it s not an insult, i m ignorant about those supercars

You see now your looking at the wrong end when trying to express your point.
I bet you the majority of people who dont even own a 5960X are more informed about them, then the people who do have one.
Why? cuz its the people who cant afford them, that do more research about them, so they can one day afford a black label CPU.

Never take this from a poor man's perspective... You look at the rich man's perspective....
Its like telling a billionaire "i think you should drive a camry cuz i have no clue on supercars which is in your pocket money range.."

Its just no...

 

[cmdrdredd]

actually i sort of understand his possition.

a 5960X buyer will not be looking at the 4790K or a 6700K as their main machine if they can afford a 5960X.

5960X users are not minimalists. There is no such word as "for your exact needs" when 90% of the people who buy 5960X ends up buying them.



You see now your looking at the wrong end when trying to express your point.
I bet you the majority of people who dont even own a 5960X are more informed about them, then the people who do have one.
Why? cuz its the people who cant afford them, that do more research about them, so they can one day afford a black label CPU.

Never take this from a poor man's perspective... You look at the rich man's perspective....
Its like telling a billionaire "i think you should drive a camry cuz i have no clue on supercars which is in your pocket money range.."

Its just no...

Look at what you said here "5960X users are not minimalists. There is no such word as "for your exact needs" when 90% of the people who buy 5960X ends up buying them."

How does that make any sense at all? 90% of people who buy a 5960x end up buying it? What the hell does that mean?

There is no position you can take in this world that justifies the stupidity of the response. People who look at the CPU line up and are building new systems generally look at their usage and try to buy why is the best for their usage. For most people a 6 core or 8 core CPU isn't the best for their needs. Single core and IPC performance often trump cores and threads. Spending more money on a GPU might be a better usage of funds. The idea that everyone who never owned a 6 core CPU can't comment on value and is poor or cheap is simply ridiculous.

I can afford to build any PC out there but I choose not to because it gives me no benefit. Think about that before you try to insult people and say "you just can't afford it" that's beyond insulting, beyond stupid, and 100% wrong. You are the ignorant one and I have to question if you are trying to somehow feel good about yourself because you have more money than brains or something.

The car analogy doesn't work so just stop. I can read all the specs of a McLaren p1 but I won't buy one because there is no point for me to own one even if I could afford it. Honestly you guys have some insanely stupid arguments.

I've never driven a Rolls Royce or a Bentley either but I can tell you that they're overpriced if you're just looking for a commuter car.

Precisely and any argument trying to call people cheap or poor is just stupid people.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

actually i sort of understand his possition.

a 5960X buyer will not be looking at the 4790K or a 6700K as their main machine if they can afford a 5960X.

5960X users are not minimalists. There is no such word as "for your exact needs" when 90% of the people who buy 5960X ends up buying them.



You see now your looking at the wrong end when trying to express your point.
I bet you the majority of people who dont even own a 5960X are more informed about them, then the people who do have one.
Why? cuz its the people who cant afford them, that do more research about them, so they can one day afford a black label CPU.

Never take this from a poor man's perspective... You look at the rich man's perspective....
Its like telling a billionaire "i think you should drive a camry cuz i have no clue on supercars which is in your pocket money range.."

Its just no...

It s not about money or buy the cpu. it s about TEST it at least once in your life.
If u don t test it directly you re ignorant about most of its aspect. you only know how to read benchmarks.

ps: it s sad you say 5960x users are less informed, you say this based on .... your imagination

Look at what you said here "5960X users are not minimalists. There is no such word as "for your exact needs" when 90% of the people who buy 5960X ends up buying them."

How does that make any sense at all? 90% of people who buy a 5960x end up buying it? What the hell does that mean?

There is no position you can take in this world that justifies the stupidity of the response. People who look at the CPU line up and are building new systems generally look at their usage and try to buy why is the best for their usage. For most people a 6 core or 8 core CPU isn't the best for their needs. Single core and IPC performance often trump cores and threads. Spending more money on a GPU might be a better usage of funds. The idea that everyone who never owned a 6 core CPU can't comment on value and is poor or cheap is simply ridiculous.

I can afford to build any PC out there but I choose not to because it gives me no benefit. Think about that before you try to insult people and say "you just can't afford it" that's beyond insulting, beyond stupid, and 100% wrong. You are the ignorant one and I have to question if you are trying to somehow feel good about yourself because you have more money than brains or something.

The car analogy doesn't work so just stop. I can read all the specs of a McLaren p1 but I won't buy one because there is no point for me to own one even if I could afford it. Honestly you guys have some insanely stupid arguments.





Precisely and any argument trying to call people cheap or poor is just stupid people.

your advice for a choice between these 2 cars is exactly usefull as your vote on this pool. you re ignorant about this subject.

pls quote the line in which i say:

"you just can't afford it"

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I've never driven a Rolls Royce or a Bentley either but I can tell you that they're overpriced if you're just looking for a commuter car.

it s not a precious information for a man going to chose between em




You have previously been warned about insults.

They are not allowed.

Stop it now.


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[Chaotic0ne]

For exclusively gaming purposes, which of these 2 CPUs is the best? Which one will be the best for DX12 games in the future?

 

[Chaotic0ne]

a 5960X buyer will not be looking at the 4790K or a 6700K as their main machine if they can afford a 5960X.

People who have money don't keep it if they're spending it all on a bunch of shit they don't need. I'm not referring to millionaires who view $500-$600 as pocket change. The fallacy of your argument is you're claiming know the intentions of everyone who is thinking about buying a 5960x. Even people who are reasonably wealthy don't like overpaying for stuff. Rich people can be some of the biggest tight wads out there.

 

[RussianSensation]

For exclusively gaming purposes, which of these 2 CPUs is the best? Which one will be the best for DX12 games in the future?

I am having a hard time finding an i7-6700K at MSRP in US/Canada. NCIX lists ETA as October 2nd. Microcenter/Newegg/Tiger Direct, etc. have none. That means for someone building right now or very soon, the i7-5820K wins by default until availability issues are resolved in North America.

I'd rather have 2 extra cores than 15% more single threaded performance. With modern Intel CPUs, they last 5+ years now. Who wants to take a bet that there will be 0 next gen AAA games that do not take advantage of more than 4 threads over the next 5 years? When they do, I highly doubt a 4.8Ghz i7-6700K will have a chance to beat an i7-5820K @ 4.4Ghz.

Even though some people continue to claim that games do not benefit from 6-cores, it's simply not true.

I think both of these CPUs are stellar so it's hard to go wrong with either one. One could do MUCH worse like buying an $80-100 Air/CLC CPU cooler and an i5-6600K vs. buying an i7-6700K and a $10 CPU cooler.

It's interesting how a certain group of enthusiasts can't decide easily between an i7-6700K OC and an i7-5820K OC but yet another group has been claiming for the last 6 years since i5 750 came out how an i7 isn't worth it over the i5. :awe:

I have to do more research but I thought Intel was supposed to replace the i7-5820K with a refreshed SKU before BW-E in Q1 2016? It's been 1 year since 5820K came out with no refresh.

 

[CakeMonster]

I see the longevity point, but we are enthusiasts, so even with slow rates of progress most of us would probably want to build something new in 2-3 years anyway. I'm getting a 6700K, and I will probably get a new CPU in 2 years.

I'm sure that 6 cores will be more and more useful and appealing for each year that goes by, so the variables will be different in 2, 4, or 5 years. What messes this choice up further is the age of the HEDT platform. Haswell is two years old. If I could get SL-E today, I would. Its not about money for me, its about what I benefit the most from within the time frame I plan to have the CPU.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It s not about money or buy the cpu. it s about TEST it at least once in your life.
If u don t test it directly you re ignorant about most of its aspect. you only know how to read benchmarks.

ps: it s sad you say 5960x users are less informed, you say this based on .... your imagination





your advice for a choice between these 2 cars is exactly usefull as your vote on this pool. you re ignorant about this subject.

pls quote the line in which i say:


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it s not a precious information for a man going to chose between em

You are an ignorant fool. It's clear now, all you want to do is sling insults and baseless accusations toward members here. You don't even have the ability to make a clear statement. It's just gibberish and insults. Pathetic

 

[cmdrdredd]

For exclusively gaming purposes, which of these 2 CPUs is the best? Which one will be the best for DX12 games in the future?

Right now benchmarks point to clock speed and IPC being the most important. Things can change later on down the line but we do not know.

 

[alcoholbob]

Right now benchmarks point to clock speed and IPC being the most important. Things can change later on down the line but we do not know.

I think actually things like cache size are far more important than clockspeed or IPC at this point for gaming. A 3.3GHz 5775C Broadwell with 128MB L4 cache can keep up with a 4.2GHz 6700K Skylake very well in games that are 4 threads or less and actually beats it in minimum framerates.

If clock speed was important in less threaded apps (for example Ashes benchmark) you wouldn't have a 3GHz 5960X neck and neck with a 4GHz 6700K. A 5960X that's overclocked in those cases likely would have won in gaming benchmarks dispite a 5-15% IPC deficit due to a 3.33x larger L3 cache.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I think actually things like cache size are far more important than clockspeed or IPC at this point for gaming. A 3.3GHz 5775C Broadwell with 128MB L4 cache can keep up with a 4.2GHz 6700K Skylake very well in games that are 4 threads or less and actually beats it in minimum framerates.

If clock speed was important in less threaded apps (for example Ashes benchmark) you wouldn't have a 3GHz 5960X neck and neck with a 4GHz 6700K. A 5960X that's overclocked in those cases likely would have won in gaming benchmarks dispite a 5-15% IPC deficit due to a 3.33x larger L3 cache.

A 6700k beats the 5960x. This illustrates my point that clock speed and IPC win against more cores right now in current benchmarks. Nobody can predict what every engine will do in the future but right now the biggest gains are seen with higher clock speeds in this particular benchmark.

 

[MrTeal]

Stock to stock the 6700k will beat the Haswell-E chips; the extra cores and cache can't make up for the 6700k having a 33% faster base clock. A 5960x at 4.5GHz might flip the table vs a 6700k at 4.8GHz though.

 

[tential]

That's one benchmark cmd. It all depends on what people are doing, what they want, and what they believe the future holds.

I personally just want the HEDT platform just because. The Value portion doesn't play in on my next upgrade. I want to OC, I want more cores, I want the HEDT platform.

My recommendations are also based on the person.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I am having a hard time finding an i7-6700K at MSRP in US/Canada. NCIX lists ETA as October 2nd. Microcenter/Newegg/Tiger Direct, etc. have none. That means for someone building right now or very soon, the i7-5820K wins by default until available issues are resolved in North America.

I'd rather have 2 extra cores than 15% more single threaded performance. With modern Intel CPUs, they last 5+ years now. Who wants to take a bet that there will be 0 next gen AAA games that do not take advantage of more than 4 threads over the next 5 years? When they do, I highly doubt a 4.8Ghz i7-6700K will have a chance to beat an i7-5820K @ 4.4Ghz.

ST performance is overrated, the future is all MT. It's pretty much impossible to find any situation along any time frame where a game can run fine on OC skylake but not on a OC Haswell-E.

Even the 2500K @ 4.3GHz can handle CS : GO with 47 bots at ~60 fps which is the most ST heaviest gaming load I can think off.

 

[tenks]

Fugger from xtremesystems apparently had a nice convo with Intel's CEO and few other guys at IDF. (WTF?!) And he said, among many other things, Broadwell-E will be nothing like Broadwell-C and share "none of the same characteristics". And it has "MSR199" capabilities and will be the new "toy" for OCers. From what he said,

"MSR 199 is the key to per core control, lets say you want all cores at 3GHz except core #5, you want that core at 7Ghz..."

This is why broadwell-e was delayed perhaps. Pretty Rad! I'm for sure waiting for Broadwell-E


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?292232-The-future-of-Overclocking

 

[cmdrdredd]

That's one benchmark cmd. It all depends on what people are doing, what they want, and what they believe the future holds.

I personally just want the HEDT platform just because. The Value portion doesn't play in on my next upgrade. I want to OC, I want more cores, I want the HEDT platform.

My recommendations are also based on the person.

The question was about gaming only. There are no indications that DX12 will make a 6core cpu magical when it lacks clock speed and IPC against another. The safe bet is on the 6700k in that case. When someone starts talking about other usage that can change the conversation but that wasn't the question. It's nothing to do with value when you're asking what is the higher performing choice for a specific usage and it happens to cost less right now.

ST performance is overrated, the future is all MT. It's pretty much impossible to find any situation along any time frame where a game can run fine on OC skylake but not on a OC Haswell-E.

Even the 2500K @ 4.3GHz can handle CS : GO with 47 bots at ~60 fps which is the most ST heaviest gaming load I can think off.

The problem is that there are so few examples of game engines that take full advantage of 6 and 8 cores. Let alone 2 threads per core. Lets say a game can use 4 cores. The faster cores will win. The software hasn't caught up and based on what we have seen of DX12 right now, it doesn't fix everything itself either.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Databases and VMs.

I want the cores, I want the threads. So 5820K it is. And I would go to the 8 core model if prices were remotely sane.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Databases and VMs.

I want the cores, I want the threads. So 5820K it is. And I would go to the 8 core model if prices were remotely sane.

 

[tential]

There's a reason a LOT of people went 5820k over the 6700k...

 

[Doomguy]

I want to run VMs while I play my games, thus the 5820k wins there -- especially with the frys/microcenter deals

 

[tential]

I want to run VMs while I play my games, thus the 5820k wins there -- especially with the frys/microcenter deals

What do you run in a VM while you game? I've been more and more curious about VMs.

I have a projector and am getting a monitor for my room. Say I have the 5820k (or whatever new thing is out). Could I use it as a quadcore on my main gaming rig with my main GPU, then have a dualcore side rig in it for gaming on another screen (Say "Split Screen Gaming") with another GPU in the same rig?

I've been interested in having a box that can do something like that. I can always turn off the VM for full usage of my system too right?

 

[Doomguy]

What do you run in a VM while you game? I've been more and more curious about VMs.

I have a projector and am getting a monitor for my room. Say I have the 5820k (or whatever new thing is out). Could I use it as a quadcore on my main gaming rig with my main GPU, then have a dualcore side rig in it for gaming on another screen (Say "Split Screen Gaming") with another GPU in the same rig?

I've been interested in having a box that can do something like that. I can always turn off the VM for full usage of my system too right?

I run much of my homelab in VMs. Ubuntu server VM for compiling OpenWRT router builds, Windows 2012 R2 Server as a domain controller, etc. I can do all of my tinkering on one PC. Yes, you can always shut down VMs and spin them up as necessary.

 

[tential]

I run much of my homelab in VMs. Ubuntu server VM for compiling OpenWRT router builds, Windows 2012 R2 Server as a domain controller, etc. I can do all of my tinkering on one PC. Yes, you can always shut down VMs and spin them up as necessary.

So is having 2 gaming rigs in one computer possible like I suggested? It's a weird thought but one that interests me a lot lol. Especially with Fury Nano.....
VMs seem pretty cool. It would give me a chance to utilize my older GPUs rather than throwing them out. If Zen was close enough to intel's performance, that would seal the deal for me. 8 threads to each GPU!